Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part V: Gorton is on McLeod Nine.

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Don, not Dave.

As for asset management, the goalie examples are an interesting case study. Here’s what I found from the post-Dan Cloutier draft era: For a decade 1996-2006, very few were selected higher than Round 5/6. LaBarbera was a Round 3 in 98. The Swede Asplund was also Round 3 in 99. Another Swede Holmqvist was Round 7 in 97. The late round guys like Holt, Snee, etc. were off the prospect grid and never had an NHL look. (Snee was selected two rounds prior to Lundqvist in 2000, just as Halverson was Round 2 and Shestyokin Round 4 in 2014)

The Mike Richter successor, Blackburn was the exception - Round 1, 10th overall in 2011. The career-ending injury that was to come was a 1 in 1,000 scenario. Lundqvist becoming Lundqvist was 1 in 1,000 for the matter. You do the math on the odds of them both occurring. We happened to have gotten irrationally unlucky - and lucky in each case. Blackburn was the plan. The 2004-05 lockout was the best timing for Lundqvist to have a big year and come over for 2005. The rest is history.

Fast forward to 2014, we begin seeing a string of goalies selected higher: As I mentioned above, prior to Lafleur going 48th overall in 07, Halverson was late Round 2 in 2014. Shestyokin was Round 4 in 2014. Huska was Round 7 in '15, and Wall Round 6 in '16. Not exactly expending much risk there. Lindbom at 39th overall defies that late-round shot in the dark.

Bottom line, if Shestyokin proves to be a 1A, we'll have won the asset management game yet again for the upcoming decade, albeit it not the way you would necessarily assume for it to go.
Nice post. As I read it I was wondering where Georgiev would fit in and totally forgot he was undrafted. Every now and then a gem like Girardi or Point, or a hall of Famer like St. Louis eludes everyone.

Edit: Not Point, Gourde was undrafted.
 
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I'm hoping the Cody McLeod stuff goes away because it's just not a fun discussion. Not really a high priority so I have a hard time feeling anything about it.

I agree with the crowd that strongly disliked the signing. I think toughness is addressed differently. But the fact is, the could have signed him at any point since the waive pick up. They waited till the market on better options dried up. Reaves wanted to pick the right city, team and contract. Martin, who no one is crying over, probably got taken care of by TML and was sent to the isles on his request. We know the Rangers drew a line at 2 year deals and every other option took 3 minimum. We tried to go elsewhere but got passed over time and again.

I have a hard time getting riled up about management here. It's a small enough deal that it is far from a problem.
 
Capfriendly has all of the trades made in the last 2-3 years. At the bottom of their website. Keep scrolling and the trades pop up. 90% of the significant trades are made at the trade deadline. A few trades are made at the draft. The summer is usually quiet. No major trades the first four months of the season. Colorado trades Duchene last fall to Ottawa. That trade was going on since the previous summer. Few players make it to free agency. A player has to really be unhappy in his situation to make it to free agency.

If you look at Capfriendly and team depth charts at The Hockey News,there are so many bad teams. Edmonton is a disaster. Bad contracts. CMD and Draisaitl make 26% of their cap. $21M. It's hard to win when two players make 1/4 of the money. Same thing with the Hawks. Toews and Kane. $21M. All of these Rangers who want the Rangers to sign Karlsson and Panarin next summer for a combined $25M are crazy. Columbus is willing to give Panarin 8 years at $9M-$11M. 27 year old guy. The Leafs are hoping Tavares gives them 2-3 more good years before the bottom falls out. They hope to win before the bottom falls out. Is that really smart? Their D sucks. They will pay a fortune to keep their 3 young forwards. Dubas doesn't want to move Nylander or Marner for a D.
 
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Capfriendly has all of the trades made in the last 2-3 years. At the bottom of their website. Keep scrolling and the trades pop up. 90% of the significant trades are made at the trade deadline. A few trades are made at the draft. The summer is usually quiet. No major trades the first four months of the season. Colorado trades Duchene last fall to Ottawa. That trade was going on since the previous summer. Few players make it to free agency. A player has to really be unhappy in his situation to make it to free agency.

If you look at Capfriendly and team depth charts at The Hockey News,there are so many bad teams. Edmonton is a disaster. Bad contracts. CMD and Draisaitl make 26% of their cap. $21M. It's hard to win when two players make 1/4 of the money. Same thing with the Hawks. Toews and Kane. $21M. All of these Rangers who want the Rangers to sign Karlsson and Panarin next summer for a combined $25M are crazy. Columbus is willing to give Panarin 8 years at $9M-$11M. 27 year old guy. The Leafs are hoping Tavares gives them 2-3 more good years before the bottom falls out. They hope to win before the bottom falls out. Is that really smart? Their D sucks. They will pay a fortune to keep their 3 young forwards. Dubas doesn't want to move Nylander or Marner for a D.

I think saying the bottom will fall out in 2 or 3 years is a bit overblown. Matthews, Marner and Nylander are just going to get better. They are 21, 22 and 23 respectively. JT will be 28 when the season starts.

They have some good young defensemen that just started in the league or are about to make the jump. They will have Marleau coming off the books the year after next and Hainsey/Gardinier after this coming season.

Toronto is on the upswing and their window spans longer than 2 or 3 years.
 
He knows who is readers are and knowing his audience, he tailors his message to what he believes they want to see/read. Smart strategy. :dunno:
Back when I used to run my blog he would have articles that eerily read like stuff I wrote or ranted about the day before. Dunno. It's certainly possible we just had the same thoughts...but....it was...interesting.
 
I think saying the bottom will fall out in 2 or 3 years is a bit overblown. Matthews, Marner and Nylander are just going to get better. They are 21, 22 and 23 respectively. JT will be 28 when the season starts.

They have some good young defensemen that just started in the league or are about to make the jump. They will have Marleau coming off the books the year after next and Hainsey/Gardinier after this coming season.

Toronto is on the upswing and their window spans longer than 2 or 3 years.

that of course is assuming that they can keep the team together...they need to give nylander a raise this year and matthews and marner raises next year. plus probably need to add a good dmen to really be contenders so the cap space is gonna get tight in a hurry
 
that of course is assuming that they can keep the team together...they need to give nylander a raise this year and matthews and marner raises next year. plus probably need to add a good dmen to really be contenders so the cap space is gonna get tight in a hurry

They currently have 15MM in cap space with just Nylander and a couple of depth positions to fill. They have $8mm coming off the books next summer. Cap will be going up as well.

They will be fine. Will they be able to sign a #1 D like Karlsson? No. They should move Marner or Nylander for a comparable Young D though.
 
If you look at Capfriendly and team depth charts at The Hockey News,there are so many bad teams. Edmonton is a disaster. Bad contracts. CMD and Draisaitl make 26% of their cap. $21M. It's hard to win when two players make 1/4 of the money. Same thing with the Hawks. Toews and Kane. $21M. All of these Rangers who want the Rangers to sign Karlsson and Panarin next summer for a combined $25M are crazy. Columbus is willing to give Panarin 8 years at $9M-$11M. 27 year old guy. The Leafs are hoping Tavares gives them 2-3 more good years before the bottom falls out. They hope to win before the bottom falls out. Is that really smart? Their D sucks. They will pay a fortune to keep their 3 young forwards. Dubas doesn't want to move Nylander or Marner for a D.

Teams paying 2 players about 20% of their cap and having success is nothing new. Anaheim did it when they won their Cup and the Pens have done it. The Caps won this year with OV and Kuz taking up $17.2M.

It will be extremely difficult for any team to win without high priced talent. The winning teams make the right decisions on who to pay and who to pay to surround them with. I don't think I'd pay top dollar for both of Karlsson and Panarin but there are players I would pay top dollar for.
 
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It will be extremely difficult for any team to win without high priced talent. The winning teams make the right decisions on who to pay and who to pay to surround them with. I don't think I'd pay top dollar for both of Karlsson and Panarin but there are players I would pay top dollar for.

Agreed. There is so much parity in the league that it's huge to have a game breaking talent (or two) on your side. Make no mistake, the Rangers will look to add top players in the future. The challenge is maximizing value in a cap world, which is why they weren't looking to add expensive UFAs before the team is ready to compete. I expect things will be different next summer if the right player(s) become available...and if not then definitely the summer after that when the team is rounding into shape.
 
Don, not Dave.

As for asset management, the goalie examples are an interesting case study. Here’s what I found from the post-Dan Cloutier draft era: For a decade 1996-2006, very few were selected higher than Round 5/6. LaBarbera was a Round 3 in 98. The Swede Asplund was also Round 3 in 99. Another Swede Holmqvist was Round 7 in 97. The late round guys like Holt, Snee, etc. were off the prospect grid and never had an NHL look. (Snee was selected two rounds prior to Lundqvist in 2000, just as Halverson was Round 2 and Shestyokin Round 4 in 2014)

The Mike Richter successor, Blackburn was the exception - Round 1, 10th overall in 2011. The career-ending injury that was to come was a 1 in 1,000 scenario. Lundqvist becoming Lundqvist was 1 in 1,000 for the matter. You do the math on the odds of them both occurring. We happened to have gotten irrationally unlucky - and lucky in each case. Blackburn was the plan. The 2004-05 lockout was the best timing for Lundqvist to have a big year and come over for 2005. The rest is history.

Fast forward to 2014, we begin seeing a string of goalies selected higher: As I mentioned above, prior to Lafleur going 48th overall in 07, Halverson was late Round 2 in 2014. Shestyokin was Round 4 in 2014. Huska was Round 7 in '15, and Wall Round 6 in '16. Not exactly expending much risk there. Lindbom at 39th overall defies that late-round shot in the dark.

Bottom line, if Shestyokin proves to be a 1A, we'll have won the asset management game yet again for the upcoming decade, albeit it not the way you would necessarily assume for it to go.

You're missing Montoya. An early 1st rounder. Maloney was very much about covering the goalie position and the two guys they were figuring on doing it---didn't but we got lucky with Henrik.

Shesterkin is a 4th rounder. Georgiev is a free agent signing. They both look like tremendous prospects. I would say Adam Huska--a 7th rounder is a pretty good prospect. Now we have Lindbom too--a 2nd rounder. Goaltending is covered. Having said that though I wouldn't be surprised to see us use a 1st or a 2nd on another goalie in next year's draft.
 
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Likely procedural, both sign today.

As for Gilmour, speed skills. He's probably not an NHL regular. He's also probably not even a defenseman for that matter. Am I crazy to think he could play a bit on the wing?
I like Gilmour, but I saw him playing D on the penalty kill once (not too well) and I got it in my head that putting him at F on the PK could be a good gimmick
 
I like Gilmour, but I saw him playing D on the penalty kill once (not too well) and I got it in my head that putting him at F on the PK could be a good gimmick
Funny -- after watching his defensive play, I always thought Roscival might have been better at forward (despite what others say, I never thought he was a good D-man here).
 
To develop gritty middle six players you have to draft gritty middle six players which is something the Rangers haven't done lately. Other than Gettinger and Kovacs, I really can't think of any. I'd say Barron and Virta aren't bashers.

That's why this draft ticked me off. I liked round 1 and also the Pajuniemi and Riley picks, but you can't find the type of player I mentioned above if you don't have a horse in the race.
 
Reaves got $2.75MM for two years. A year ago he was traded for a first round draft choice. He can actually play hockey in case you haven’t noticed.

We missed there.

Reaves was not traded for a first round pick. It was Reaves and a 2nd to move up I to the Penguins first round pick. And he wanted to stay in Vegas.
 
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I'm hoping the Cody McLeod stuff goes away because it's just not a fun discussion. Not really a high priority so I have a hard time feeling anything about it.

I agree with the crowd that strongly disliked the signing. I think toughness is addressed differently. But the fact is, the could have signed him at any point since the waive pick up. They waited till the market on better options dried up. Reaves wanted to pick the right city, team and contract. Martin, who no one is crying over, probably got taken care of by TML and was sent to the isles on his request. We know the Rangers drew a line at 2 year deals and every other option took 3 minimum. We tried to go elsewhere but got passed over time and again.

I have a hard time getting riled up about management here. It's a small enough deal that it is far from a problem.

It's not the Mccleod signing that is worrying, no one on these boards gives a shit about the signing. Rather it is the fact that our management still thinks that the 4th line goon is ''valuable'' that is concerning. Other than old man Lou, every other GM has rightfully moved on from this outdated philosophy. We need young, progressive thinkers running our franchise like Dubas not old dinosaurs like Gordon and Sather whining about toughness and ''character''. I have no faith in a General Manager who still thinks 4th line goons are valuable in this league.
 
He picked up a tough guy on the waiver wire, waited 2 weeks into free agency after better options were exhausted, and then signed him to a 1 year deal for an easily variable amount. Labeling this as gorton viewing McLeod as valuable is an exaggeration. It screams settling.

He gave up zero assets, tried to replace him and gave a miniscual contract.

And people care very much about the signing. They flipped out and there are now 7 pages dedicated to a guy that will wear suits to games.
 
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