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What's funny is Montreal, Toronto, Colorado, and basically every team who has a player we might want to pry away from has a need for a defenseman. Ironically, we have too many D men.
 
Babcock brought up Tyler Bozak, Nazem Kadri, James van Riemsdyk and Leo Komarov.

“They’re real good players,†the coach said. “And two of them or . . . any way you look at it, we can’t all be on the team as we move ahead. It doesn’t work like that. We have to figure out a way when you have opportunities to do what you can.â€Â
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https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2017/07/03/mike-babcock-excited-about-leafs-additions-and-the-teams-depth.html
 
GregSirico said:
What's funny is Montreal, Toronto, Colorado, and basically every team who has a player we might want to pry away from has a need for a defenseman. Ironically, we have too many D men.
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no one wants the dmen we went to trade away
 
GregSirico said:
At this point I am more concerned with the 1C / 2C personal than I am who's at the bottom. But that's just me. I'm not a fan of the sum of the parts / depth with ok guys strategy. I think if your goal is to be competitive with Pittsburgh you can't go to war with Hayes v Malkin.
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The Rangers will be bringing two centers or one center and one center/wing combo. Very much doubt it will include 1C - I don't think the Rangers have enough value to give back and they are probably comfortable to give 1C role to Ziba.
 
GregSirico said:
What's funny is Montreal, Toronto, Colorado, and basically every team who has a player we might want to pry away from has a need for a defenseman. Ironically, we have too many D men.
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I think theres confusion over what caused what.. I think those teams are brought up because they need defense rather than we want someone from them... Montreal is most likely just going to cave in and pay galchenyuck and colorado aren't going to trade Duchene and I highly doubt Mackinnon is even available.
 
GregSirico said:
At this point I am more concerned with the 1C / 2C personal than I am who's at the bottom. But that's just me. I'm not a fan of the sum of the parts / depth with ok guys strategy. I think if your goal is to be competitive with Pittsburgh you can't go to war with Hayes v Malkin.
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I'm mostly with this, but it seems like our big holes at the moment are a Top 6 Center and a Bottom 6 Center.

Particularly we now lack the "Shutdown" type center that Stepan was for the past number of seasons. Zbad is fine defensively, I have him in the Top 6. Hayes can still be a good offensive force, but like you said I'd hesitate to play him against the other team's top lines.

We all want to acquire the Premium Top 6 Center, but separately if we can get a good, defensively responsible 3/4 Center at a decent price, I think that makes us a better team.
 
GregSirico said:
What's funny is Montreal, Toronto, Colorado, and basically every team who has a player we might want to pry away from has a need for a defenseman. Ironically, we have too many D men.
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Irony is that we have too many and most of them aren't getting traded. McDonagh isn't happening. Just signed Shattenkirk and Smith. Skjei is too valuable. Staal is a tough sell. Just Acquired DeAngelo. The rest are unproven and low value. Holden is alright but not returning a center (expect maybe a 4th liner.)
 
Staal holds all the cards for a trade, he isn't being moved right now

Holden is the only one that will be moved, and he isn't that valuable. No one else is going to be traded on defense
 
Mr Jackpot said:
There's a rumor on a Quebec website that Desharnais could sign a one year deal with the Rangers
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Ivaguely remember he's alright in a bottom 6 role but I could be wrong and he could have terrible analytics

I remember Montreal used him out of position in their top 6 for some reason
 
The fact is that the 28-year-old defenseman made the Rangers an offer they ultimately could not refuse, $26.6 million over four years for a $6.65 million cap hit per. Yes, in a complete reversal of the norm, the proposal was made to the organization by the free agent even as other offers rolled into him for far more money on longer-term deals...".. This tells me the Rangers traded Stepan to get the young RHD and that they did not envision Shattenkirk coming here... I think Stepan is still here if they thoughf they had any real chance at Shattenkirk?.
 
Shattenkirk's desire to be a Ranger didn't come out of nowhere. The Rangers knew they had a chance and him and I actually believe that it was the plan all along to free up cap to sign him. What's to stop a little conversation between the agent and NYR before that talking period actually starts?
 
Lundsanity30 said:
The fact is that the 28-year-old defenseman made the Rangers an offer they ultimately could not refuse, $26.6 million over four years for a $6.65 million cap hit per. Yes, in a complete reversal of the norm, the proposal was made to the organization by the free agent even as other offers rolled into him for far more money on longer-term deals...".. This tells me the Rangers traded Stepan to get the young RHD and that they did not envision Shattenkirk coming here... I think Stepan is still here if they thoughf they had any real chance at Shattenkirk?.
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The salary cap+ Stepan and -DeAngelo and Klein would be about 5.5 mil.

They wouldn't be able to get Zibanejad and Fast under with that.

Of course they could have moved Nash to help with that, but its clear that the NTC was really their motivation to move him.
 
Hire Sather said:
Shattenkirk's desire to be a Ranger didn't come out of nowhere. The Rangers knew they had a chance and him and I actually believe that it was the plan all along to free up cap to sign him. What's to stop a little conversation between the agent and NYR before that talking period actually starts?
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No HIS didnt, but the Rangers probably didn't think he would come to them with a 3 less year offer for them either.. I'm not sure it doesnt play out different if they really believed they had a real shot at him, so they brought in another guy who could play the PP..
 
Callafan24 said:
I'm mostly with this, but it seems like our big holes at the moment are a Top 6 Center and a Bottom 6 Center.

Particularly we now lack the "Shutdown" type center that Stepan was for the past number of seasons. Zbad is fine defensively, I have him in the Top 6. Hayes can still be a good offensive force, but like you said I'd hesitate to play him against the other team's top lines.

We all want to acquire the Premium Top 6 Center, but separately if we can get a good, defensively responsible 3/4 Center at a decent price, I think that makes us a better team.
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I'm even meh on Hayes offensively. I just think he doesn't fit our mold. We are a team build on speed and skating. It's another reason Stepan is gone (and I like Stepan) but you need speed and skating especially i your top 6.
 
DutchShamrock said:
Irony is that we have too many and most of them aren't getting traded. McDonagh isn't happening. Just signed Shattenkirk and Smith. Skjei is too valuable. Staal is a tough sell. Just Acquired DeAngelo. The rest are unproven and low value. Holden is alright but not returning a center (expect maybe a 4th liner.)
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Staal is a tough sell, but if $ are retained and he waives, maybe?
DeAngelo is our most valuable chip, and I think with our top 4 solidified, he's movable.
Holden can be packaged for a bottom 6 center.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
The salary cap+ Stepan and -DeAngelo and Klein would be about 5.5 mil.

They wouldn't be able to get Zibanejad and Fast under with that.

Of course they could have moved Nash to help with that, but its clear that the NTC was really their motivation to move him.
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Holden moved could have saved them money.. i dunno its fishy to me. All we heard was Rangers were going to be prudent. They even had offers for Marleau and Thornton both, its not adding up. I don't think they expected Shattenkirk
 
Lundsanity30 said:
The fact is that the 28-year-old defenseman made the Rangers an offer they ultimately could not refuse, $26.6 million over four years for a $6.65 million cap hit per. Yes, in a complete reversal of the norm, the proposal was made to the organization by the free agent even as other offers rolled into him for far more money on longer-term deals...".. This tells me the Rangers traded Stepan to get the young RHD and that they did not envision Shattenkirk coming here... I think Stepan is still here if they thoughf they had any real chance at Shattenkirk?.
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I think that is a very fair point. Hence why the log jam with Shattenkirk / DeAngelo.
 
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