GDT: Free Agent Frenzy Part IV - GM Alert "Staal is a Steal"! Marc that...

[Zibanejbread]

Kruger to Carolina for a 5th.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I know that he is preferred at W, but I think JT Miller has come a long way as a player, in terms of a more complete game, and could slide back to C. I'd hate to see them give up assets unless there is a bonafide top 6 C on affordable, multi-year contract coming back. With no moves made and moving Miller back to C:

Nash-Miller-Zucc
Kreider-Zib-Buch
Vesey-Hayes-Grabner

is not a terrible top 9

This is just terribly false. JT Miller was tried at Center last season and couldn't cut it. To many people on here make it seem like he hasn't played Center since his rookie year. He has and he stunk up the joint so badly on the defensive end he had to be moved to wing. JT Miller is as good of a center as Kevin Hayes is as a winger.

 

[GregSirico]

Kruger got traded for a 5th round pick ... WOW.

 

[RGY]

That seems like a low payment for Kruger. Surprised we didnt inquire then. Maybe Gorton is working on something else.

I wish Landeskog was a Center. I like him a lot more than Duchene

 

[GregSirico]

If Vegas retains any of that money, that would be laughable. Also Carolina is a budget team, I think they are at the floor now. Can't see them adding another 6M for Duchene.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm confused if LV didn't retain any cap. Why wouldn't Chicago just have traded him to Carolina for a 5th?

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I'm confused if LV didn't retain any cap. Why wouldn't Chicago just have traded him to Carolina for a 5th?

Krüger was part of the Vegas-Chicago deal for the Expansion Draft, they just waited to send him over because of a bonus being paid out July 1st.

Hence he was trade for future considerations

Kinda sad though, how much more would we have had to give to get Krüger with 50% retention? 5th + middleish prospect? I would have done that.

 

[Savant]

Right but that should factor in the price.

5Y of Duchene @ 6M at age 26 is more expensive than 2Y of Duchene @ 6M at age 26.

Of course. But don't think it makes a huge difference honestly.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd be all over Kadri if he's somewhat available.. and at a reasonable price

 

[GregSirico]

Of course. But don't think it makes a huge difference honestly.

It should. Having a player in his prime for 2Y v 5Y should definitely change the value.

For example if we resigned Zib at say 5Y deal then moved him he would have more value than if we just bridged him to UFA and dealt him.

Controlling a player is critical.

 

[bleedblue94]

I'm confused if LV didn't retain any cap. Why wouldn't Chicago just have traded him to Carolina for a 5th?

Tvr is the reason

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I'd be all over Kadri if he's somewhat available.. and at a reasonable price

He won't be, he's Babcocks #1 shutdown guy and he excelled in that role last season, he's pretty close to untouchable is my guess.

Trading for Kadri likely starts and ends with Leafs asking for McDonagh or Skjei.

 

[Callafan24]

Legit question: Would you pay up to a 3rd Round Pick to get Oscar Lindberg back?

There's your cost controlled, bottom six Center. Improves Faceoffs and the PK too.

 

[GregSirico]

Kadri won't be traded for a 'reasonable' price. IMHO.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I'd be all over Kadri if he's somewhat available.. and at a reasonable price

Then don't go to the main board. I should have known better but I couldn't help myself. Kadri is Duchene apparently. Bozak is a 2nd line center. The leafs don't have a cap issue even though they are over with 2 RFAs to sign. So Komarov will get more than Johansson because Leo won't be a cap dump. No matter what, the return better be a top 4 d and I guess the trading team has to retain 120%.

and Komarov speaks 1000 languages so a Johansson comparable is off.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Legit question: Would you pay up to a 3rd Round Pick to get Oscar Lindberg back?

There's your cost controlled, bottom six Center. Improves Faceoffs and the PK too.

Yes, but i'd rather go for Karlsson or Haula... I doubt any of the 3 are available for a 3rd though.

 

[GregSirico]

Legit question: Would you pay up to a 3rd Round Pick to get Oscar Lindberg back?

There's your cost controlled, bottom six Center. Improves Faceoffs and the PK too.

At this point I am more concerned with the 1C / 2C personal than I am who's at the bottom. But that's just me. I'm not a fan of the sum of the parts / depth with ok guys strategy. I think if your goal is to be competitive with Pittsburgh you can't go to war with Hayes v Malkin.

 

[Hire Sather]

Legit question: Would you pay up to a 3rd Round Pick to get Oscar Lindberg back?

There's your cost controlled, bottom six Center. Improves Faceoffs and the PK too.

Yep.

I was willing to give them a 3rd before the draft for them to take some random mook from our exposed list that we didn't want.

Wanted to keep Fast/Lindberg/Grabner/Raanta.

 

[kovazub94]

Teams giving 30 year old players--like Vlasic and Oshie--8 year contracts is insane and those two players aren't even elite. Defensemen especially as they get into their 30's tend to get injured more--a couple major injuries in their 30's and it's pretty much career over. Marc Staal (who has yet to even reach 30) is a case in point--he use to be a premier shutdown defenseman--now he's like the old lady on the ramp leading to the highway who has everyone honking their horns and shouting obscenities at her because she can't get out of the way.

The Shattenkirk deal we just did was done right. 4 year term--it might be even that Kevin doesn't last that out but there's at least a pretty good chance he does.

Look at Crosby too--8 years left on his $8.7 mil per year deal. I think there's about a 1% chance that Sid can still play by the end of that stretch. The next concussion might finish him and that could happen any time. He's had several and he'll at least have another.

If you're going to hand out 8 year terms you give them to 25 and under players. Otherwise you're setting yourself up for disaster.

IMHO with this type of a salary cap even with younger players it should be based on a class / quality of a player being signed. 7-8 year contracts should be reserved to the 3-4 very top core of a team at most. Dollar value of these free agent contracts is all screwed up to. I'm so impressed with Shattenkirk. I mean take for example Thornton. How much he already made in his career? Didnt the Sharks earn as much loyalty from him to accept $4m?

Also, I'm with Brooks that the NHL style hard cap is hurting the sport. Better markets still get an advantage but it is a good thing. Create luxury tax. Let Oils make a fair economic choice on building around McD and Draisaitl or at least delay the timing.

My rant for today.

 

[duhmetreE]

Then don't go to the main board. I should have known better but I couldn't help myself. Kadri is Duchene apparently. Bozak is a 2nd line center. The leafs don't have a cap issue even though they are over with 2 RFAs to sign. So Komarov will get more than Johansson because Leo won't be a cap dump. No matter what, the return better be a top 4 d and I guess the trading team has to retain 120%.

and Komarov speaks 1000 languages so a Johansson comparable is off.

I figured JVR or Kadri might be moved.

 

[kovazub94]

I feel like Ivan Barbashev could be had from the Blues. He'd be a nice replacement for what we'd hoped for Lindberg

Former buchnevich's linemate from WJC. It would be a good choice if he could be had. There's potential there.

 

[RangerLifer]

Hayes at the 2 scares me a lot.

I agree with this. Hayes hasn't been as good as we all thought he'd be.

 

[DutchShamrock]

He won't be, he's Babcocks #1 shutdown guy and he excelled in that role last season, he's pretty close to untouchable is my guess.

Trading for Kadri likely starts and ends with Leafs asking for McDonagh or Skjei.

Something has to give. The cap isn't adding up. At some point, Nylander and Marner get shifted to the middle. In 2 years they might be paying Matthews close to $9 or 10m, Nylander and Marner $6m each, and Kadri at $4.5m. $10m for your bottom 2 centers? $26m down the middle total? I guess you shift one of the two to wing.

List the untouchables on the Leafs: Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Kadri? 5 "untouchables"? That's like half their cap in 2 years. $40 some million for the other 18.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Something has to give. The cap isn't adding up. At some point, Nylander and Marner get shifted to the middle. In 2 years they might be paying Matthews close to $9 or 10m, Nylander and Marner $6m each, and Kadri at $4.5m. $10m for your bottom 2 centers? $26m down the middle total? I guess you shift one of the two to wing.

List the untouchables on the Leafs: Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Kadri? 5 "untouchables"? That's like half their cap in 2 years. $40 some million for the other 18.

Things can change, but this summer they have no reason what so ever to trade Kadri. They can manage the cap just fine in the short term.
Maybe something has to give longterm but yeah, i don't see us getting Kadri unless McDonagh or Skjei is going the other way, which would be stupid from us so :s

I don't think Nylander and Marner are getting shifted to C, maybe one of them but maybe both of them stay at RW too, think that's the most likely outcome.