Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part II - Who is left?

[Blueshirts777]

Why? He has a lower cap hit and goes off the books after this season, not next.

Plus if we are 'tanking', then who cares? Activate the wonder twins and give them 25 minutes a night.

Maybe the fans who actually watch the games care?

 

[silverfish]

Maybe the fans who actually watch the games care?

I understand an easy way to 'make a name' for yourself on HF is to attack me, but do better. Try harder. You can do it, I believe in you.

good luck; have fun

 

[East Coast Bias]

I just re-read the Callahan Tribute thread and I am READY for his return.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Why? He has a lower cap hit and goes off the books after this season, not next.

Plus if we are 'tanking', then who cares? Activate the wonder twins and give them 25 minutes a night.

We just got away from him fish I’m not ready for him to be back

 

[haveandare]

Tampa has 3.4m in cap space now. Karlsson makes 6.5m which means they need to clear 4m now (1m operational cap space). By trading away Callahan, they free up 5.8m, giving them 2.7m in cap space.

Next year, Karlsson will require a 5m raise to 11M AAV. Coming off the books are:

Girardi: 3m
Coburn: 3.7m
Stralman: 4.5m
Total: 11.2M

That alone would mean they have around 6-7m in cap space with 4 D-men signed (Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev the others) and 5 forwards. Something has to give way for them to ice a decent team up front.

They can go for Karlsson, but I don't see them being able to keep Kucherov in 2019 if that happens. There's no way he signs for anything less than 8m with his numbers and there just isn't enough cap space to make that happen.

Yup, they’re going full Pittsburgh if they get Karlsson. Just absolutely no plan for the future whatsoever. Which will maybe be ok if they actually win a few but with the way Stamkos and Kucherov wilt under the spotlight I won’t be surprised if they never win one with this core.

 

[haveandare]

Please god no Callahan back here

 

[E-Train]

Activate the wonder twins and give them 25 minutes a night.

This would be hilarious and sickening at the same time. Callahan would be a good asset to flip (at 50%, of course) if he's still in one piece near the deadline.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Posting this just for nostalgia purposes (and because you see Sekera school Girardi). Still one of my top-5 favorite Rangers goals

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

This would be hilarious and sickening at the same time. Callahan would be a good asset to flip (at 50%, of course) if he's still in one piece near the deadline.

That’s a huge if

 

[silverfish]

(and because you see Patrick ****ing Kaleta school Girardi).

Am I crazy, or is that Andrej Sekera, not Kaleta?

Eye-test, bruh

 

[Mac n Gs]

Am I crazy, or is that Andrej Sekera, not Kaleta?

Eye-test, bruh

Batting 0-for-2 with typing wrong names this week. Logging off forever

 

[Ghost of jas]

I mean, sure.

Still think the "smartest" thing the Rangers can do here is eat a full cap hit from TBL, whether it be Callahan or Girardi, then smash 50% off of their AAV and ship them to a team looking for 'veteran leadership'. Assets + Assets = more assets.

See, now you’re getting it. I’m no Girardi fan, but if it meant getting back more and/better assets, I’m good with it. He probably would be easier to move at the deadline than Callahan.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I've watched enough Girardi in a Rangers sweater for one lifetime. It's good for tanking but not good for actually watching the games.

Girardi was a better Ranger than Callajackass. **** that guy to the 10th power.

 

[Edge]

Liked Callahan, never loved him per say.

Likewise, I've been somewhat indifferent since he left --- don't hate him.

 

[TheTakedown]

Tampa has 3.4m in cap space now. Karlsson makes 6.5m which means they need to clear 4m now (1m operational cap space). By trading away Callahan, they free up 5.8m, giving them 2.7m in cap space.

Next year, Karlsson will require a 5m raise to 11M AAV. Coming off the books are:

Girardi: 3m
Coburn: 3.7m
Stralman: 4.5m
Total: 11.2M

That alone would mean they have around 6-7m in cap space with 4 D-men signed (Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev the others) and 5 forwards. Something has to give way for them to ice a decent team up front.

They can go for Karlsson, but I don't see them being able to keep Kucherov in 2019 if that happens. There's no way he signs for anything less than 8m with his numbers and there just isn't enough cap space to make that happen.

Again, which is why I think they are trading for Karlsson as a rental. Karlsson doesn't have to accept an extension, and Yzerman is doing what Sather did a few years ago to stack his team.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Again, which is why I think they are trading for Karlsson as a rental. Karlsson doesn't have to accept an extension, and Yzerman is doing what Sather did a few years ago to stack his team.

Would go against everything Yzerman has ever done.

 

[NYR Viper]

Liked Callahan, never loved him per say.

Likewise, I've been somewhat indifferent since he left --- don't hate him.

This is pretty much how I feel about it. I enjoyed watching him as a Ranger and I appreciate the style of play he uses. Would I take him back? Sure, he would fit what the team is lacking as a 3rd/4th liner and top PKer. Especially if they can get a nice asset or two back with him.

Bryan Bickell had a single year left at around $4m. The Canes were able to secure Terreveinen to take on that contract. I would be expecting, as we have discussed already, a couple of nice pieces back for taking on Callahan with 2 years left (let's assume for arguments sake that Callahan's current cap hit is on par with the % of cap that Bickell's was back when he was dealt).

 

[Vitto79]

This is pretty much how I feel about it. I enjoyed watching him as a Ranger and I appreciate the style of play he uses. Would I take him back? Sure, he would fit what the team is lacking as a 3rd/4th liner and top PKer. Especially if they can get a nice asset or two back with him.

Bryan Bickell had a single year left at around $4m. The Canes were able to secure Terreveinen to take on that contract. I would be expecting, as we have discussed already, a couple of nice pieces back for taking on Callahan with 2 years left (let's assume for arguments sake that Callahan's current cap hit is on par with the % of cap that Bickell's was back when he was dealt).

Yea I mean cally is not more than a 4th pker abscond is way overpaid but if NYR gets a nice young player back it’s worth it long term

Definitely still need to have enough to get Panarin as a ufa next year

 

[Doctyl]

Re: Duclair

@silverfish

Duclair just probably chose CBJ over us.

Hmm multiple GMs interested in Duclair. I guess valuing Duclair is now a valid opinion.

 

[TheTakedown]

Yup, they’re going full Pittsburgh if they get Karlsson. Just absolutely no plan for the future whatsoever. Which will maybe be ok if they actually win a few but with the way Stamkos and Kucherov wilt under the spotlight I won’t be surprised if they never win one with this core.

If that's the case, they have THIS year to win it and that's it. There is no f***ing way they can keep Karlsson and Kucherov when they have Stamkos, Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev (who will need a new contract soon), and then Killon and Johnson with NTC's and low production.

 

[TheTakedown]

Would go against everything Yzerman has ever done.

Yzerman cannot fit another contract like this on his team.

For the 2019-20 season, the lightning will have $43.125M tied up in SEVEN PLAYERS--5F, 2D.....

Stamkos, Palat, Killorn, Johnson, Miller, Hedman, McDonagh

That's basically half the salary cap in 1/3 of the roster. 2019-20 is the last year of Sergachev's ELC. They would have Gourde, Paquette, and Kucherov to resign...

NONE of these numbers factor in for Karlsson at $11M.

 

[Richard Banger]

Hmm multiple GMs interested in Duclair. I guess valuing Duclair is now a valid opinion.

He always valued. Just not as highly as you value him.. and rightly so.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Hmm multiple GMs interested in Duclair. I guess valuing Duclair is now a valid opinion.

I know your being sarcastic, but that actually makes him less appealing of a player.

The real value in signing Duclair came from getting him on the cheap. If multiple teams are involved his price will go up, raising the risk in such a signing. Its a risk that we can afford to take as long as we don't throw stupid term at him, but it makes the whole thing a bit less palatable.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Giving an elite or semi elite player a 5yr deal at age 27 -29 is risky, but they all don't become Bobby Ryan...

Trying to get elite talent for the Rangers is hard enough, a 25y age restriction could be limiting. ..

5 year deal for a 28 year old. Three years into their contract, they're about 31. Figure that's when we'll be competing. EK has a lot of miles on him. And injuries. Are you willing to gamble 11-12M per year for that? What kind of player is EK going to be in 3 more years?

How about we draft and develop our own EK for a change. And don't tell me we don't draft high enough to find guys like him. EK went 15th overall. Barzal went 16th. Kuznetsov was the 26th overall. There's talent in almost every draft outside the top-5.

We need to get off the idea of signing high priced free agents. That mentality sucks. As a rebuilding team our focus needs to shift. I'm not saying to sign any UFA's. Just suggesting we should avoid the big fish. How often has that worked for us? How often does that work for most teams?

Look at all the contenders. These teams built their core by drafting. That's what we should be focusing on. Those big free agents get paid for what they have produced. Not what they will be producing.

 

[Edge]

On a one year deal at the right price, I'd have taken a flyer on Duclair.

Yes, he has concerns.

But he's also 22 years old with a 22goal/44 point season under his belt, and he was on a 22 goal/37 point pace at the time of his trade to Chicago last season.

We don't have a lot of LWs knocking down the door, he wouldn't have blocked anyone, and the commitment was minimal.

To put things in perspective, he's still younger than Buchnevich and Pionk, and all of 8 weeks older than ADA.

Really wasn't a far off concept to be interested.

But I'm not going to lose sleep over it either.