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Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part II - Who is left?

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TheTakedown said:
If that's the case, they have THIS year to win it and that's it. There is no ****ing way they can keep Karlsson and Kucherov when they have Stamkos, Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev (who will need a new contract soon), and then Killon and Johnson with NTC's and low production.
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Yeah kinda seems that way. And with their showing last year with probably the best roster in the playoffs I wouldn’t be too confident with them winning in any 1 year window even with karlsson
 
Dr Chin Richalds said:
I know your being sarcastic, but that actually makes him less appealing of a player.

The real value in signing Duclair came from getting him on the cheap. If multiple teams are involved his price will go up, raising the risk in such a signing. Its a risk that we can afford to take as long as we don't throw stupid term at him, but it makes the whole thing a bit less palatable.
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Plus he got a 1-way deal. Supposedly MTL offered a 2-way and he turned it down. I feel like we probably did the same.

He wanted the 1-way.

As a rebuilding team, I'm really digging the arms race. It bodes well for any guys we try to move around the deadline.

That Brendan Smith contract is what bothers me. Hoping he'll turn it around. If we didn't sign that contract, we'd really only have the Staal one to contend with.

Also, not sure if it was mentioned, but Paul Carey signed a deal with Ottawa. I thought he was a good, albeit unspectacular, 4th line forward. Best of luck in that sinkhole, friendo.
 
Edge said:
On a one year deal at the right price, I'd have taken a flyer on Duclair.

Yes, he has concerns.

But he's also 22 years old with a 22goal/44 point season under his belt, and he was on a 22 goal/37 point pace at the time of his trade to Chicago last season.

We don't have a lot of LWs knocking down the door, he wouldn't have blocked anyone, and the commitment was minimal.

To put things in perspective, he's still younger than Buchnevich and Pionk, and all of 8 weeks older than ADA.

Really wasn't a far off concept to be interested.

But I'm not going to lose sleep over it either.
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IMO, far too much energy spent on a player who really doesn’t warrant it. Besides, the impression I get is that Duclair probably would be better off with a team with a stronger leadership core. This leadership core is in flux right now. It’s probably better for both parties that Duclair didn’t come here.
 
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jas said:
IMO, far too much energy spent on a player who really doesn’t warrant it. Besides, the impression I get is that Duclair probably would be better off when th a stronger leadership core. This leadership core is in flux right now. It’s probably better for both parties that Duclair didn’t come here.
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I tend to agree --- from both sides. I was open to it, but I wouldn't have spent too much one way or the other thinking about it.
 
haveandare said:
Yeah kinda seems that way. And with their showing last year with probably the best roster in the playoffs I wouldn’t be too confident with them winning in any 1 year window even with karlsson
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I put this on the last post after I edited it, but I will add it here as well:

For the 2019-20 season, the lightning will have $43.125M tied up in SEVEN PLAYERS--5F, 2D.....

Stamkos, Palat, Killorn, Johnson, Miller, Hedman, McDonagh. I've even dropped Callahan's $5.8M assuming that Tampa pays the price of a prospect for a team to take him.

That's basically half the salary cap in 1/3 of the roster. 2019-20 is the last year of Sergachev's ELC. They would have Gourde, Paquette, Kucherov, and Point to resign (did not include any nobody 4th liners)...

NONE of these numbers factor in for Karlsson at $11M, and then you'd have to factor another $10M for Kucherov.

IF they kept this team together, and then added Karlsson and Kucherov you'd be looking at $64.125M for the following team:

Miller-Stamkos-Kucherov
Killorn-Johnson-Palat

Hedman-Karlsson
McDonagh-Sergachev

Let's assume an $80M cap.

They'd have $16M to fill out 3 more defensemen + 7 more forwards. You can say bye bye to Brayden Point, also Sergachev needs a raise after that season.

That's an incredibly top-heavy roster, and all of these guys have at best 1-3 good years left in them. Johnson, Palat, and Killorn all have NTC's, and do not produce what their contracts pay them.

Yzerman is going all in to win this year. He's not giving two f***s about what happens next. He will be fired in 2020 when the team is in utter shambles.
 
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Dactyl said:
I wanted to give him a 1 year contract under $1M. It’s exactly how I valued him.
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Yeah but would he be worth it? Why take the risk of trouble in the locker room? Right now they have a lot of young players with good attitudes and character. All they need are some vets so show them how to do the little things on a daily basis in the NHL.

I personally just dont think Duke is worth the possible risk.

Vesey is a average hockey player. But he works hard and plays with a good attitude. With a rebuilding team you pay players like that for your younger players.

As soon as those youngins are ready you can expect Vesey to get the boot or take a pay cut.
 
TheTakedown said:
I put this on the last post after I edited it, but I will add it here as well:

For the 2019-20 season, the lightning will have $43.125M tied up in SEVEN PLAYERS--5F, 2D.....

Stamkos, Palat, Killorn, Johnson, Miller, Hedman, McDonagh. I've even dropped Callahan's $5.8M assuming that Tampa pays the price of a prospect for a team to take him.

That's basically half the salary cap in 1/3 of the roster. 2019-20 is the last year of Sergachev's ELC. They would have Gourde, Paquette, Kucherov, and Point to resign (did not include any nobody 4th liners)...

NONE of these numbers factor in for Karlsson at $11M, and then you'd have to factor another $10M for Kucherov.

IF they kept this team together, and then added Karlsson and Kucherov you'd be looking at $64.125M for the following team:

Miller-Stamkos-Kucherov
Killorn-Johnson-Palat

Hedman-Karlsson
McDonagh-Sergachev

Let's assume an $80M cap.

They'd have $16M to fill out 3 more defensemen + 7 more forwards. You can say bye bye to Brayden Point, also Sergachev needs a raise after that season.

That's an incredibly top-heavy roster, and all of these guys have at best 1-3 good years left in them. Johnson, Palat, and Killorn all have NTC's, and do not produce what their contracts pay them.

Yzerman is going all in to win this year. He's not giving two ****s about what happens next. He will be fired in 2020 when the team is in utter shambles.
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The simple answer is trade Johnson and/or Killorn. Having Karlsson > Johnson and Killorn.
 
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Richard Banger said:
Yeah but would he be worth it? Why take the risk of trouble in the locker room? Right now they have a lot of young players with good attitudes and character. All they need are some vets so show them how to do the little things on a daily basis in the NHL.

I personally just dont think Duke is worth the possible risk.
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Because you can get a potential 2nd line winger or just bury him in Hartford. There’s no risk at all.

The last thing we need is over the hill character vets.
 
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I wouldn't mind sending the conditional pick back to Tampa for another young forward. This would allow Yzerman to send their 1st and 2nd to Ottawa. Stephens, Joseph and Callahan for the conditional pick.
 
I wanted the Rangers to bring Duclair back. Literally no risk, he's 22 and signed for nothing. Could be sent to Hartford or traded for something small if it didn't work out.

I think it's very possible we had the same offer on the table and he didn't want to return to the Rangers.

Oh well.
 
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FWIW If Vesey had Callahan's work ethic, he could be a very useful player. If we get Cally back, I want them attached at the hip.

Stop with the dangling. Play north south, use your frame to body people, be a rampant forechecker, give guys no room/time to do anything with the puck. The guy isn't skilled enough to get by on talent alone, but has enough skill to chip in once in a while. If Vesey learned to play that way he could be the ideal bottom 6er.
 
silverfish said:
Even more of a reason to sign him?
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I mean you can look at it as the league is wrong about him, or the League is stupid about guys like him, and the fact that he signed for a pittance is a totally great opportunity that we should have taken; or you can look at it as when the vast majority of the league has little-to-no interest in a guy with his talent but character concerns, maybe he's not worth it at any cost. I'm obviously inclined to believe in the latter--I actually assumed he'd have received more interest and signed for more money, but I didn't really want to bring him here under any circumstance.
 
E-Train said:
I wouldn't mind sending the conditional pick back to Tampa for another young forward. This would allow Yzerman to send their 1st and 2nd to Ottawa. Stephens, Joseph and Callahan for the conditional pick.
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I think this is the main reason NYR have been involved with this process. TB needs those picks available to send to Ottawa as I doubt they'd accept no 2019 1st/2nd round picks in exchange for Karlsson. I just don't see Gorton doing any favors without TB shelling out even more. That proposed deal that was supposedly "confirmed" was a joke and made no sense why the Rangers would accept that deal.
 
Can we not open up the Captain Chicky Parm’s School for 4th liners who can’t hockey good and want to learn to do other stuff good too?
 
Dr Chin Richalds said:
FWIW If Vesey had Callahan's work ethic, he could be a very useful player. If we get Cally back, I want them attached at the hip.

Stop with the dangling. Play north south, use your frame to body people, be a rampant forechecker, give guys no room/time to do anything with the puck. The guy isn't skilled enough to get by on talent alone, but has enough skill to chip in once in a while. If Vesey learned to play that way he could be the ideal bottom 6er.
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Will he teach him the no-look pass from behind the net, because that was always so much fun to watch.
 
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