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you must mean Dubinsky circa 2011 otherwise not sure why you'd want the 4th line center with a $5.85M salary cap. You'd cheer your ass off like it was 2011, yes?
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you must mean Dubinsky circa 2011 otherwise not sure why you'd want the 4th line center with a $5.85M salary cap. You'd cheer your ass off like it was 2011, yes?
Holy shit, not only that they mentioned it like it was a serious tweet. "Numerous tweets had Karlsson being dealt to Tampa Bay for Lightning defenseman Daniel Girardi." I understand hockey is not huge in Dallas, but employ somebody competent that actually knows the sport. There are enough people in Dallas where that's possible.
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Callahan might not even play.
Both guys are 4th line players. I liked Dubinsky better and it's hard to really argue that either one is a better player at this point.
I am comparing welcoming back Callahan or Dubinsky. I did think their contracts were the same but Dubinsky has an extra year, so I suppose I would not take him after all.
Taking either player would require we get an asset in return.
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Imagine reading Erik Karlsson for Dan Giradi and thinking "Yep this looks legit let me include it in my article."
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This is a good point. I wonder how this trade is going to work then.
Because unless Ryan is going somewhere in this trade, I don't see how they get back enough without getting Sergachyov.
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Was actually thinking killorn w cally but that’s a lot is salary . Also that 2nd better become a 1st if nyr is involved
Killorn does have a full no trade though
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Tampa has 3.4m in cap space now. Karlsson makes 6.5m which means they need to clear 4m now (1m operational cap space). By trading away Callahan, they free up 5.8m, giving them 2.7m in cap space.
Next year, Karlsson will require a 5m raise to 11M AAV. Coming off the books are:
Girardi: 3m
Coburn: 3.7m
Stralman: 4.5m
Total: 11.2M
That alone would mean they have around 6-7m in cap space with 4 D-men signed (Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev the others) and 5 forwards. Something has to give way for them to ice a decent team up front.
They can go for Karlsson, but I don't see them being able to keep Kucherov in 2019 if that happens. There's no way he signs for anything less than 8m with his numbers and there just isn't enough cap space to make that happen.
Next year, Karlsson will require a 5m raise to 11M AAV. Coming off the books are:
Girardi: 3m
Coburn: 3.7m
Stralman: 4.5m
Total: 11.2M
That alone would mean they have around 6-7m in cap space with 4 D-men signed (Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev the others) and 5 forwards. Something has to give way for them to ice a decent team up front.
They can go for Karlsson, but I don't see them being able to keep Kucherov in 2019 if that happens. There's no way he signs for anything less than 8m with his numbers and there just isn't enough cap space to make that happen.
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What about Killorn and Johnson? Those two are definitely out of Tampa soon. And I'd think Sergachev is traded for Karlsson
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Is Sergachev really all that great? I’m no scout but watching him in the playoffs he didn’t really stand out. Good shot and decent size. But I wasn’t wowed by him. I know he’s still young. Is he expected to get better?
I wonder if Yzerman trades him while he’s super-hyped and valuable.
I may be missing something, granted. Just my impression after watching him over 15 or so games.
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Killorn and Johnson both have a NTC so it's difficult to trade them. And if Sergachev is traded they lose the only cheap decent D-man they have. That makes it even worse haha
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I think he projects as a 1D eventually. Better offensively than defensively right now, but he held his own this season defensively, albeit in a sheltered role. Still, very few defensemen his age play in the NHL, so holding his own defensively is well above average.
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4 years of Bobby Ryan will cost more than 2 years of Ryan Callahan.
The benefit of Ryan over Callahan is you are getting an actual productive NHL'er in return.
The benefit of Callahan over Ryan is shorter term and a player that can show youngsters in the Org what you can accomplish with hard work and limited skills. Imagine what you can do when you have skill AND a great work ethic.
Personally I think it's more likely that Ryan gets back to being a 20/20 guy than it would be for Callahan to ever stay healthy for a full season (conceding both are unlikely)
Ryan with retention can be moved again. Callahan is toast
The benefit of Ryan over Callahan is you are getting an actual productive NHL'er in return.
The benefit of Callahan over Ryan is shorter term and a player that can show youngsters in the Org what you can accomplish with hard work and limited skills. Imagine what you can do when you have skill AND a great work ethic.
Personally I think it's more likely that Ryan gets back to being a 20/20 guy than it would be for Callahan to ever stay healthy for a full season (conceding both are unlikely)
Ryan with retention can be moved again. Callahan is toast
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The Rangers arent doing them a favor and taking two contracts. Tampa has to addd value pieces just to dump one contract for team to help them. Two? Not happening. No team is going to do them a favor
Whatever happens TB owes the Rangers a pick in 2019. It's either a 1st or a 2nd. TB is going to send at least one 1st to Ottawa in the Karlsson.
Carpiniello: Rangers' cap space makes them an ideal third...
Bobby Ryan stinks. 31 years old. He is another example of the modern day NHL player peaking in his early to mid 20's and then falling off the cliff in his late 20's/early 30's. 29/30.
https://www.tsn.ca/pinning-down-a-player-s-prime-performance-years-1.388514
Mid 20's are the peak years. When people make fun of me for not liking long term contracts to players in the late 20's and beyond. Here. Look at the data. It's not good. So many mistakes are made with these dog contracts. Look at Ryan McDonagh. He was all world D and he has gotten worse and worse every single season since 14-15. People blamed Girardi. They blamed AV's system. The injuries. Trucker wasn't great in TB. They call Yzerman the wizard but he signed some terrible contracts. He is trying to trade Callahan who hasn't been worth his 6 year contract. The aging curve wasn't nice to him. Yzerman gave McDonagh $6.75M for 7 years. He has him under contract for the next 8 years. Good luck to Stevie wonder.
Carpiniello: Rangers' cap space makes them an ideal third...
Bobby Ryan stinks. 31 years old. He is another example of the modern day NHL player peaking in his early to mid 20's and then falling off the cliff in his late 20's/early 30's. 29/30.
https://www.tsn.ca/pinning-down-a-player-s-prime-performance-years-1.388514
Mid 20's are the peak years. When people make fun of me for not liking long term contracts to players in the late 20's and beyond. Here. Look at the data. It's not good. So many mistakes are made with these dog contracts. Look at Ryan McDonagh. He was all world D and he has gotten worse and worse every single season since 14-15. People blamed Girardi. They blamed AV's system. The injuries. Trucker wasn't great in TB. They call Yzerman the wizard but he signed some terrible contracts. He is trying to trade Callahan who hasn't been worth his 6 year contract. The aging curve wasn't nice to him. Yzerman gave McDonagh $6.75M for 7 years. He has him under contract for the next 8 years. Good luck to Stevie wonder.
No and yes, he has the physical dimensions to become great. That extra jump in his skating, so strong on his skates, good hands and shot, and so forth.
But becoming a great top 5-15 D is about something else, getting it done shift in and shift out, game in and game out, year in and year out. Being super dependable, a leader. Really really smart.
I think with someone like Hedman you could tell that he would become great at a young age. I don’t think Sergachev is there at all. But sure — he has a lot of potential.
Whatever happens TB owes the Rangers a pick in 2019. It's either a 1st or a 2nd. TB is going to send at least one 1st to Ottawa in the Karlsson.
Carpiniello: Rangers' cap space makes them an ideal third...
Bobby Ryan stinks. 31 years old. He is another example of the modern day NHL player peaking in his early to mid 20's and then falling off the cliff in his late 20's/early 30's. 29/30.
https://www.tsn.ca/pinning-down-a-player-s-prime-performance-years-1.388514
Mid 20's are the peak years. When people make fun of me for not liking long term contracts to players in the late 20's and beyond. Here. Look at the data. It's not good. So many mistakes are made with these dog contracts. Look at Ryan McDonagh. He was all world D and he has gotten worse and worse every single season since 14-15. People blamed Girardi. They blamed AV's system. The injuries. Trucker wasn't great in TB. They call Yzerman the wizard but he signed some terrible contracts. He is trying to trade Callahan who hasn't been worth his 6 year contract. The aging curve wasn't nice to him. Yzerman gave McDonagh $6.75M for 7 years. He has him under contract for the next 8 years. Good luck to Stevie wonder.
Great analysis. I too looked at Ryan’s production and I agree, the long-term downtrend is disturbing.
I for one am thrilled that Gorton finally didn't litter the roster with reject, vet role players that take up spots for kids. I would like to see at least 3 rookies full time on the defense this year and at least 4 rookies full time at forward.
I probably would go Hajek, Point and Lindgren on defense. Up front Chytil, Andersson, Fontaine and Meskanen I would like to see make the team. I probably would give Kravtsov, Ronning and Howden at least half an AHL season. I definitely bring Kravtsov over. His dope coach won't play him enough. Wasting his time there. Should be interesting to see Kravtsov, Ronning, Howden and Gropp get good AHL time. People are writing off Gropp to early. He needs to improve his frame. He gets hurt too easily. However, he played with garbage down there way too much last year. He has a lot of tools that translate well to the NHL game.
I probably would go Hajek, Point and Lindgren on defense. Up front Chytil, Andersson, Fontaine and Meskanen I would like to see make the team. I probably would give Kravtsov, Ronning and Howden at least half an AHL season. I definitely bring Kravtsov over. His dope coach won't play him enough. Wasting his time there. Should be interesting to see Kravtsov, Ronning, Howden and Gropp get good AHL time. People are writing off Gropp to early. He needs to improve his frame. He gets hurt too easily. However, he played with garbage down there way too much last year. He has a lot of tools that translate well to the NHL game.
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It will take us 3-4 years to really become a contender. In 3-4 years, Stamkos, McD, Stralman, and Karlsson will all be on the back-end of their careers. Our windows don't really overlap.
More like 2-3 to seriously compete. Acquiring Seguin/Panarin/xxx if they become available can speed that process up.
Stralman is a free agent after this season but Sergachev will be emerging. McDonagh is on the decline. EK will still be productive but will be 30-31. Anything can happen with Stamkos health as it seems he has terrible luck. I am not completely sold on Vasilevsky. Johnson will be older. Point will emerge and a couple others. But I dont know. Tampa’s window is the next 2 years imo
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Volkov is really intriguing for me. 45 points in 75gp in his first season in the AHL
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