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Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part II - Who is left?

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East Coast Bias said:
I don't think there's any way we can take on both Ryan and EK with the intention of keeping them?

That's gonna be 14m this season (6.5 + 7.5), and probably at least 18.5m next season (7.5 + 11).
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Another reason why – IF they do it – it needs to be some combination of the roster players we've been discussing and not picks/prospects. You can fit those guys if you don't have to pay Hayes ~$6MM and Skjei ~$5MM. But if you trade for Karlsson and Ryan without moving those guys, yeah, there's no way to fit them all under the cap.
 
Edge said:
I don't think EK is coming to the NYR.

I don't think the Rangers are going to want to give up what Ottawa wants, nor do I think they're head over heels in love with the idea of the contract.
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In your view, does this change if he’s a UFA on July 1st, 2019?
 
If Karlsson...


I can't imagine the Senators trading Karlsson w/out obtaining a 1st round pick in return. For me that is a non starter for a team on the rebuild who is likely going to be a lotto team again. Below are 5 reason why i do NOT want to see Gorton move the 2019 1st.

1) Jack Hughes
2) Alex Newhook
3) Raphael Lavoie
4) Kaapo Kakko
5) Peyton Krebs

If they can get him w/out giving up the following, im all in...

Kredier
Zibanejad
Buchnevich
Skjei
Chytil
Andersson
Kravtsov
Miller
 
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East Coast Bias said:
I don't think there's any way we can take on both Ryan and EK with the intention of keeping them?

That's gonna be 14m this season (6.5 + 7.5), and probably at least 18.5m next season (7.5 + 11).
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Yeah, in order to do this, they need to move some cap in general. Someone like Hayes or Skjei need to be involved as they are each looking at ~$5M to help off-set
 
Inferno said:
While I totally agree with all of this...let me just say 1 small thing...if we can get ek65 without giving up any of the kids and without giving up a first rounder...I roster players only and absorbing Bobby Ryan's contract. U HAVE to do that trade.
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I think that is going to prove impossible
 
Matt4776 said:
Which I do ten times out of ten.

Karlsson is a generational defenseman. He isn't Shattenkirk. He isn't Richards. He isn't Nash. Hell, he isn't even Tavares.

These guys don't hit the open market. We have a guy that is forcing his way out, most likely lowering his value from what he'd normally get. It's like trading for Jagr out of Washington- only this guy is 5 years younger than Jagr was.

The only question- are we better off sucking and rebuilding? Many argue Jagr set back our rebuild. But I would argue that we're in a much better place now than we were in '04.
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Yet he's every bit as likely as those players to decline in his early 30s. Maybe he has another 4 great years in him. Do you honestly believe we have a legitimate chance to win the cup in the next 3 years, with or without Karlsson? One player, no matter how good, isn't going to make us cup contenders. He didn't make Ottawa serious cup contenders at any point in his 9 years there. They went on one run and that's only because we should have beaten them and didn't. They still fell short of making it to the finals, nevermind winning the cup. Outside of that 1 run, they won 1 other series in those 9 years and missed the playoffs 4 times. They never won their division and they never broke 100 points.

It's going to take time for our kids to mature. We aren't contending until they do. What's the point of trading a bunch of assets for Karlsson just to waste what are likely his best years?

Stick to the plan. There will be other elite players available in the future. Every time a player like this is available, there are people saying stuff like "These guys don't hit the open market". Actually, they do. Both Tavares and Karlsson are on the market this year. Seguin got traded and he very likely could be a UFA next summer. Karlsson could also be a UFA next summer. Taylor Hall has 2 years left on his deal. Is he re-signing there?

There will be other opportunities. Now is not the time.
 
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Lion Hound said:
If Karlsson...


I can't imagine the Senators trading Karlsson w/out obtaining a 1st round pick in return. For me that is a non starter for a team on the rebuild who is likely going to be a lotto team again. Below are 5 reason why i do NOT want to see Gorton move the 2019 1st.

1) Jack Hughes
2) Alex Newhook
3) Raphael Lavoie
4) Kaapo Kakko
5) Peyton Krebs

If they can get him w/out giving up the following, im all in...

Kredier
Zibanejad
Buchnevich
Skjei
Chytil
Andersson
Kravtsov
Miller
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He could move the 2020 1st and top 10 protect it.

I wouldn't make Buchnevich untouchable in this situation, but thats just me. Understand and agree with most of the others.
 
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Lion Hound said:
If Karlsson...


I can't imagine the Senators trading Karlsson w/out obtaining a 1st round pick in return. For me that is a non starter for a team on the rebuild who is likely going to be a lotto team again. Below are 5 reason why i do NOT want to see Gorton move the 2019 1st.

1) Jack Hughes
2) Alex Newhook
3) Raphael Lavoie
4) Kaapo Kakko
5) Peyton Krebs

If they can get him w/out giving up the following, im all in...

Kredier
Zibanejad
Buchnevich
Skjei
Chytil
Andersson
Kravtsov
Miller
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This is close to where I come out, except I'd expand the list of prospects further to include Lindgren, Hajek, Lundkvist, and add Pionk off the NHL club. Obviously Hank stays as well. No 1st rounders.

I wonder if someone like Shestyorkin could go as a "star" prospect to sell to the fans, in addition to whomever comes off the NHL roster. (Though, of course, I also wonder if Shetyorkin comes to NA if he's been moved from NYR to OTT.) Would better explain drafting Lindbom...
 
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Matt4776 said:
In your view, does this change if he’s a UFA on July 1st, 2019?
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Personally, I don't think he becomes a UFA because whoever trades for him is going to sign him.

But I don't know what the climate will be on EK. There's probably more concern about his ankle and the potential for a decline in play than we're really acknowledging on here.

Will it be enough to stop teams from making amazing offers? Probably not. But I'm not quite sure that everyone is as "all-in" on EK's future as one might be led to believe.
 
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at the deadline didn't ottawa want vegas to take ryan and give up glass? the idea that we are gonna get EK for bag of pucks to take ryan's contract simply isn't true. You might get him for less but you'd still be giving up more than we should be giving up in this stage of the rebuild plus you get a awful contract
 
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SA16 said:
Ok well the expansion thing is a good point I didn't think about. I could definitely see him being a guy an expansion team takes to help build up the cap hit and have a decent veteran player.
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Yep. Remove the NMC, and send him to Seattle with another piece in expansion. Nothing crazy like JAM and R. Smith ;)
 
Leetch3 said:
at the deadline didn't ottawa want vegas to take ryan and give up glass? the idea that we are gonna get EK for bag of pucks to take ryan's contract simply isn't true. You might get him for less but you'd still be giving up more than we should be giving up in this stage of the rebuild plus you get a awful contract
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This is true but a couple of things to note:

1) Vegas balked at that and moved on
2) That price was for Karlsson with (2) playoff runs at a minimum.
 
Not surprised to hear it reported the Rangers are out.

I really don't think they were keen to blow up everything they've done, before they even know exactly what they have, nor do I think they were interested in the financial aspects.

Again, for better or worse, I think the Rangers have a very clear vision for what they are trying to accomplish and right now they are still in the infancy of that vision.
 
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