Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part II - Who is left?

[Ghost of jas]

Thats one service. He was also #36 on ISS, and #28 on FC. Redline had him at #11. First question isn't singling out Kravtsov. Its almost every selection they make. Maybe Kravtsov was closer, but last year the concensus ranking was was off for both first rounder.

Lindbom was selected at #39. Consensus ranking was about #98.

The questions i want to see posed should address they why, and also what they didnt like about some of the other players.

Hockey Prospects had him 6th. As for Wahlstrom, there were criticisms of his motor and effort.

I know you do your due diligence on a lot of these players, but there are a lot of people who just take what they’re spoon fed.

I said leading up to the draft that I could see the Rangers taking Kravtsov at 9, although I was more convinced they’d try to move up to get him. Most people on the draft thread recognized that there was no way he was lasting until the 20’s. The information was there that they liked him.

And, already, people are going to start doing the same with next year’s draft. The only name people who aren’t familiarizing themselves with next draft are aware of if Hughes. So, if Hughes is not the pick, ‘the Rangers think they know better than everyone else’.

Same old, same old.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Thats one service. He was also #36 on ISS, and #28 on FC. Redline had him at #11. First question isn't singling out Kravtsov. Its almost every selection they make. Maybe Kravtsov was closer, but last year the concensus ranking was was off for both first rounder.

Lindbom was selected at #39. Consensus ranking was about #98.

The questions i want to see posed should address they why, and also what they didnt like about some of the other players.

Funny, McKenzie's list and Redline report are the only ones put together by actual scouts. There have been a bunch of guys who bounce in and out of Redline who were either employed by actual NHL teams or end up going on to be NHL amateur scouts.

McKenzie's list polls actual NHL current scouts, including scouting directors.

Forgive me if I trust them more than ISS, FC, TDA, etc.

 

[silverfish]

Maybe I read it wrong, but I saw nothing on the tweet posted about Voynov that connected him to the Rangers.

This is from earlier speculation like mid-June.

Again, again, not a legit source like Bob McKenzie.

 

[nyrage]

Luckily, it seems to be a small percentage of the board.

Small, yet vocal

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

One of the things that was very obvious from McKenzie's ratings and his commentary on TV was that Gordie Clark was one of his sources.

Right before the pick, he said the Rangers had spent a lot of time in Russia. Hint, Hint. Sort of like the NBA commentator who couldn't reveal the picks but he telegraphed the pick before it was announced.

Well it's also basically confimed that the broadcast team now gets the pick ahead of the announcement via being linked in to the NHL's actual system. Lundkvist pick was spoiled for me because it was actually listed in the scrolling ticker at the bottom of the screen " 28. NY Rangers - Nils Lundkvist, D" right as the NYR were walking up to the mic.

Can't find the NBC Sports feed on YT.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Andreas Martinsen wants to be a Ranger, he's the tough guy they are looking for. Huge truck, hits hard and fights. Gorton, talk to the Blackhawks about a trade. And Zucc wouldn't mind another Norwegian in the lineup

Mats, if you want your buddy on the team, go talk to Jeff yourself

 

[Lion Hound]

Hockey Prospects had him 6th. As for Wahlstrom, there were criticisms of his motor and effort.

I know you do your due diligence on a lot of these players, but there are a lot of people who just take what they’re spoon fed.

I said leading up to the draft that I could see the Rangers taking Kravtsov at 9, although I was more convinced they’d try to move up to get him. Most people on the draft thread recognized that there was no way he was lasting until the 20’s. The information was there that they liked him.

And, already, people are going to start doing the same with next year’s draft. The only name people who aren’t familiarizing themselves with next draft are aware of if Hughes. So, if Hughes is not the pick, ‘the Rangers think they know better than everyone else’.

Same old, same old.

I actually had Kravtsov in the prediction thread. The Rangers pretty much showed their cards when they mentioned they were pretty sure their guy would be there at #9. To me that was one of two players. Kravtsov or Farabee.

I actually not even disapointed with the selection. He was certainly on my list as one of the players I hoped the selected. But unquestionably, i had Wahstrom higher. So if they do a QA, I definately want to know the why. Especially considering the player in on a KHL contract which certainly adds to the risk.

 

[Lays]

I’d have zero problem giving panarin and Karlsson full term contracts. 7 8 years whatever it ends up being allowed. Both zero problem

Especially with the cap to rise even more soon, I’d give 10x7 to Panarin and 12-14x7 for EK.

 

[Lion Hound]

Funny, McKenzie's list and Redline report are the only ones put together by actual scouts. There have been a bunch of guys who bounce in and out of Redline who were either employed by actual NHL teams or end up going on to be NHL amateur scouts.

McKenzie's list polls actual NHL current scouts, including scouting directors.

Forgive me if I trust them more than ISS, FC, TDA, etc.

To add...Woodlief is one of McKenzie's top ten.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Especially with the cap to rise even more soon, I’d give 10x7 to Panarin and 12-14x7 for EK.

lol we have free space, but not THAT much free space.

 

[iamitter]

I actually had Kravtsov in the prediction thread. The Rangers pretty much showed their cards when they mentioned they were pretty sure their guy would be there at #9. To me that was one of two players. Kravtsov or Farabee.

I actually not even disapointed with the selection. He was certainly on my list as one of the players I hoped the selected. But unquestionably, i had Wahstrom higher. So if they do a QA, I definately want to know the why. Especially considering the player in on a KHL contract which certainly adds to the risk.

Don't think they will comment on other teams' property. Same with the question on who they would have liked that went before 22 or 26.

 

[nyr2k2]

Thats one service. He was also #36 on ISS, and #28 on FC. Redline had him at #11. First question isn't singling out Kravtsov. Its almost every selection they make. Maybe Kravtsov was closer, but last year the concensus ranking was was off for both first rounder.

Lindbom was selected at #39. Consensus ranking was about #98.

The questions i want to see posed should address they why, and also what they didnt like about some of the other players.

The consensus may have been different than where we picked Andersson and Chytil, but thus far they look like terrific picks (Andersson is still polarizing but it's hard to dispute he's an excellent prospect). So, if they're so confident in their scouting that they can go a little off the board and end up with great players, I'm okay with that.

As far as the questions, I'm sure they'll at some point talk about why they liked their own guys, but they're never going to get specific on why they didn't like other guys. You can't go out there as a GM and talk about the flaws and deficiencies or other concerns you had with prospects that now belong to another team.

 

[Lays]

lol we have free space, but not THAT much free space.

The cap will continue to rise significantly, Staal and Smith gone in a few years, we’ll be fine

 

[Levitate]

Especially considering the player in on a KHL contract which certainly adds to the risk.

If he had several years on his contract I'd be a lot more worried, but it's one year and he has been very vocal about wanting to come to NA as soon as the team thinks it's best.

Tons of teams passed on Tarasenko because it was known he was going to be in the KHL for several years. In retrospect that's a pretty bad way to look at the situation IMO.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The cap will continue to rise significantly, Staal and Smith gone in a few years, we’ll be fine

I think one of the 2 would have to be gone next year in order to make it work while still having some wiggle room.

I don't know how thats going to happen.

 

[doomscroll]

I wanted to post a diatribe about the last three months.

1). The Rangers issue the letter.

2). They say they’re going to move people at the deadline. They move just about everyone they expected to move for good to very good returns. Along the way, the critics were in total disbelief and didn’t think they would do it.

3) When Gorton was asked about the status of the head coach, he was noncommittal. ‘The Rangers are going to keep AV’, was the cry. He was canned on the night of the end of the season.

4). Gorton said he was looking for a coach that could grow with the team. ‘The Rangers will hire a retread’ we heard. Quinn gets hired.

5). Gorton says the Rangers are looking at speed, skill and character, especially in the first round. ‘The Rangers are going play it safe and draft for character at the draft.’ They go for three high end picks in terms of upside.

6). Gorton says the Rangers are not looking at signing players to long term deals. Half the board doesn’t understand why the Rangers didn’t sign a bunch of overpriced FAs on day one of the free agency.

Everything Gorton has said he was going to do, he’s done so far. There’s no mystery here. But, it is apparently difficult for people to overcome their own preconceived notions.

Don’t forget certain posters clutching their pearls over Gorton saying that he was looking for character among other things, equating character purely with grit and thinking that character and skill are mutually exclusive, as though Gorton and every other GM aren’t just throwing out buzz words to satisfy the media.

It’s cognitive dissonance; people create narratives in their heads, and when the reality of the rebuild doesn’t align to that storyline then the narrative gets shifted so that those people believe that they were right all along and those moves that Gorton did make were wrong for reasons that aligned to their desires in the first place. Fans want skill and upside in the draft, but the first-rounders they picked were too far out from NHL time and reaches to boot (even though they were well-regarded for their draft position in the first place). The returns for pending UFAs were phenomenal, but because Miller and McDonagh don’t get the unattainable names that were thrown around over and over (Sergachev/Foote) then the Rangers were fleeced (even though the narrative prior to the trade was that Miller was lazy and that McDonagh was on the decline).

There’s no satisfying people whose desires are constantly changing and pigeon-holed by biases and internally devised narratives, which are stoked by other posters who assume to understand how the cogs of the league turn.

 

[duhmetreE]

D.Moore would be a decent pickup

 

[GAGLine]

D.Moore would be a decent pickup

Twice was enough.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

D.Moore would be a decent pickup

I like Moore but he's beyond cooked.

I don't know that we really need a 4C. I'd like to see one of Nieves or Fontaine grab that spot.

 

[Inferno]

Can I ***** when you get picked for being an overdraft?

... Both here and on a radio program that no one listens to?

I'm a captain I get picked in the first round by myself lol

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm a captain I get picked in the first round by myself lol

REACH!!!!

 

[NYR94]

I'm a captain I get picked in the first round by myself lol

Bob McKenzie had you going in the 2nd round in his rankings not sure what you're doing

 

[mas0764]

I don't envy the Arizona rebuild. I've been watching it for years. The hockey got so bad a few years ago, I cancelled my tickets. I am talking bad AHL caliber hockey. The only time I go anymore is when the Rangers or other Metropolitan Division rivals are in town. A lot of you have no idea how bad a rebuild can get.

The Rangers simply aren't the Coyotes. They have way more invested in team infrastructure, they are much better run no matter how many people dislike Sather and Gorton, and they are a way more attractive free agent market, and thus will attract guys to be relevant.

Ending up like the Coyotes is simply not a realistic fear for the Rangers, so using that fear as an excuse to not tank is a non-starter. We can tank away without fear that we will ever be the Coyotes. Even a failed tank will see this team as a 8 seed again very soon. The point is to aim for more than that.

 

[n8]

Especially with the cap to rise even more soon, I’d give 10x7 to Panarin and 12-14x7 for EK.

woah tiger, 12-14M??? Doughty sets the mark at 8 years, $88 million, you won't have to go higher than that. At the price however, I'm very gun shy. He's 28 now and will be 37 when that contract expires. $11M for a 37 year old. I don't forget Bobby Ryan is most likely part of any deal.

 

[Inferno]

Bob McKenzie had you going in the 2nd round in his rankings not sure what you're doing

Untapped uoside