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Clearly didn't show on the ice, him and Barkov were awful all playoffs long
GDT: Free Agent Frenzy 2022
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Clearly didn't show on the ice, him and Barkov were awful all playoffs long
Mess
Global Moderator
Yes and that hasn't changed and its why I see Leafs and Florida the same and neither serious Cup contenders..
Here are the Eastern Conference standings 2021-22 (Sorted by Goals Against)
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[TR]
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[TD]GP[/TD]
[TD]WINS[/TD]
[TD]LOSSES[/TD]
[TD]OTL[/TD]
[TD]POINTS[/TD]
[TD]GOALS FOR[/TD]
[TD]GOALS AGAINST[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]
1
[/TD][TD]Carolina Hurricanes[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
54
[/TD][TD]
20
[/TD][TD]
8
[/TD][TD]
116
[/TD][TD]
278
[/TD][TD]
202
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
2
[/TD][TD]New York Rangers[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
52
[/TD][TD]
24
[/TD][TD]
6
[/TD][TD]
110
[/TD][TD]
254
[/TD][TD]
207
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
3
[/TD][TD]Boston Bruins[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
51
[/TD][TD]
26
[/TD][TD]
5
[/TD][TD]
107
[/TD][TD]
254
[/TD][TD]
220
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
4
[/TD][TD]Pittsburgh Penguins[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
46
[/TD][TD]
25
[/TD][TD]
11
[/TD][TD]
103
[/TD][TD]
272
[/TD][TD]
229
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
5
[/TD][TD]Tampa Bay Lightning[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
51
[/TD][TD]
23
[/TD][TD]
8
[/TD][TD]
110
[/TD][TD]
287
[/TD][TD]
233
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
6
[/TD][TD]New York Islanders[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
37
[/TD][TD]
35
[/TD][TD]
10
[/TD][TD]
84
[/TD][TD]
231
[/TD][TD]
237
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
7
[/TD][TD]Washington Capitals[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
44
[/TD][TD]
26
[/TD][TD]
12
[/TD][TD]
100
[/TD][TD]
275
[/TD][TD]
245
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
8
[/TD][TD]Florida Panthers[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
58
[/TD][TD]
18
[/TD][TD]
6
[/TD][TD]
122
[/TD][TD]
340
[/TD][TD]
246
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
9
[/TD][TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
54
[/TD][TD]
21
[/TD][TD]
7
[/TD][TD]
115
[/TD][TD]
315
[/TD][TD]
253
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
10
[/TD][TD]Ottawa Senators[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
33
[/TD][TD]
42
[/TD][TD]
7
[/TD][TD]
73
[/TD][TD]
227
[/TD][TD]
266
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
11
[/TD][TD]Buffalo Sabres[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
32
[/TD][TD]
39
[/TD][TD]
11
[/TD][TD]
75
[/TD][TD]
232
[/TD][TD]
290
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
12
[/TD][TD]Philadelphia Flyers[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
25
[/TD][TD]
46
[/TD][TD]
11
[/TD][TD]
61
[/TD][TD]
211
[/TD][TD]
298
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
13
[/TD][TD]Columbus Blue Jackets[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
37
[/TD][TD]
38
[/TD][TD]
7
[/TD][TD]
81
[/TD][TD]
262
[/TD][TD]
299
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
14
[/TD][TD]New Jersey Devils[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
27
[/TD][TD]
46
[/TD][TD]
9
[/TD][TD]
63
[/TD][TD]
248
[/TD][TD]
307
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
15
[/TD][TD]Detroit Red Wings[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
32
[/TD][TD]
40
[/TD][TD]
10
[/TD][TD]
74
[/TD][TD]
230
[/TD][TD]
312
[/TD][TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
16
[/TD][TD]Montreal Canadiens[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]
82
[/TD][TD]
22
[/TD][TD]
49
[/TD][TD]
11
[/TD][TD]
55
[/TD][TD]
221
[/TD][TD]
319
[/TD][TD][/TD]
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Florida ranked #8 and Toronto #9 (making them the weakest of the Eastern Conference teams defensively) even with Florida setting a new team record 122 points and winning the President's trophy and Leafs setting a new personal best 115 points record. These teams are built for "Offense" and and designed to win by outscoring their mistakes and goaltending.. Where the belief is these teams can have playoff success in the East with just average goaltending, isn't my belief system. Florida was 14th overall in goals against and Leafs 18th last year.
Seeing Carolina #1 in GA battle #2 NYR was not a surprise and Tampa Bay going through Leafs and Panthers also not a surprise, despite finishing below them in the regular season standings points wise but not defense wise.
The NYR a former non playoff team lead by their captain of their Team Defense their goalie Igor Shesterkin taking on Tampa Bay lead by their captain of their Defense Andrei Vasilevskiy in the Eastern final is a prime example of "Defense winning Championships) while teams that struggle to keep the puck out of their own net are the ones that are out early.
The Tkachuk for Huderdeau trade didn't improve Florida defensively with the move, but they looked up a young star player long term and now can turn their focus to building around Barkov and Tkachuk knowing both are locked in for the next 8 years time. Your offensive stars usually buy you a playoff spot, so that is why I said the Panthers opened up their 8 year compete window, but I don't believe they're a Cup winner or true contender until they improve defensively and in goal,
I would be placing my bet on the Carolina Hurricanes on "defense wins championships" as the real serious Cup contenders in the East particularly adding Brent Burns to an already strong defensive team to start.
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LeafChief
Matthew Knies Enthusiast
Definitely. I much preferred the d-cores that had Hunwick and Hainsey on the top pair. Yummy.
Not going to read your post because it's definitely a lot of drivel but if you are suggesting that the Leafs d-core and the Panthers d-core are the same (which is insinuated in your first sentence), being a mod on a hockey based forum probably isn't for you.Yes and that hasn't changed and its why I see Leafs and Florida the same and neither serious Cup contenders..
Here are the Eastern Conference standings 2021-22 (Sorted by Goals Against)
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[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]GP[/TD]
[TD]WINS[/TD]
[TD]LOSSES[/TD]
[TD]OTL[/TD]
[TD]POINTS[/TD]
[TD]GOALS FOR[/TD]
[TD]GOALS AGAINST[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Carolina Hurricanes[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]54[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]116[/TD]
[TD]278[/TD]
[TD]202[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]New York Rangers[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]52[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]110[/TD]
[TD]254[/TD]
[TD]207[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Boston Bruins[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]51[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]107[/TD]
[TD]254[/TD]
[TD]220[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Pittsburgh Penguins[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]46[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]103[/TD]
[TD]272[/TD]
[TD]229[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Tampa Bay Lightning[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]51[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]110[/TD]
[TD]287[/TD]
[TD]233[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]New York Islanders[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]37[/TD]
[TD]35[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]84[/TD]
[TD]231[/TD]
[TD]237[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Washington Capitals[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]275[/TD]
[TD]245[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Florida Panthers[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]58[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]122[/TD]
[TD]340[/TD]
[TD]246[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]54[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]115[/TD]
[TD]315[/TD]
[TD]253[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Ottawa Senators[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]33[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]73[/TD]
[TD]227[/TD]
[TD]266[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Buffalo Sabres[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]75[/TD]
[TD]232[/TD]
[TD]290[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Philadelphia Flyers[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]46[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]61[/TD]
[TD]211[/TD]
[TD]298[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Columbus Blue Jackets[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]37[/TD]
[TD]38[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]262[/TD]
[TD]299[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]New Jersey Devils[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]46[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]248[/TD]
[TD]307[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Detroit Red Wings[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]74[/TD]
[TD]230[/TD]
[TD]312[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Montreal Canadiens[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]55[/TD]
[TD]221[/TD]
[TD]319[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Florida ranked #8 and Toronto #9 (making them the weakest of the Eastern Conference teams defensively) even with Florida setting a new team record 122 points and winning the President's trophy and Leafs setting a new 115 points. These teams are built for Offense and and designed to win by outscoring their mistakes and goaltending.. Where the belief is these teams can have playoff success in the East with just average goaltending.
Seeing Carolina #1 in GA battle #2 NYR was not a surprise and Tampa Bay going through Leafs and Panthers also not a surprise..
The NYR a former non playoff team lead by their captain of their Team Defense their goalie Igor Shesterkin taking on Tampa Bay lead by their captain of their Defense Andrei Vasilevskiy in the Eastern final is a prime example of "Defense winning Championships) while teams that struggle to keep the puck out of their own net are the ones that are out early.
The Tkachuk for Huderdeau trade didn't improve Florida defensively with the move, but they looked up a young star player long term and now can turn their focus to building around Barkov and Tkachuk knowing both are locked in for the next 8 years time. Your offensive stars usually buy you a playoff spot, so that is why I said the Panthers opened up their 8 year compete window, but I don't believe they're a Cup winner or true contender until they improve defensively and in goal,
I would be placing my bet on the Carolina Hurricanes on defense wins championships as the real serious Cup contenders in the East particularly adding Brent Burns to an already strong defensive team to start.
How have they proven that that makes them a better team though? They got bounced easily by Tampa after squeaking by a Washington team that did not play well and now they nuked all their depth and their defense is horrendous.
We have 2 sets of forwards who will outscore that duo next year unless Lundell makes a big jump on that line and their bottom 6 is much weaker than it was last year.
Making moves and blowing through assets and depth to get to what they have assembled is not good.
ULF_55
Moderator
I think Calgary got better.
1 year of Tkachuk
versus
1 year of Huberdeau
1 year of Weeger
Okay prospect
1st. round pick
Now curious how much 35 goal scorer (55 points) Mangiapane is going to get?
1 year of Tkachuk
versus
1 year of Huberdeau
1 year of Weeger
Okay prospect
1st. round pick
Now curious how much 35 goal scorer (55 points) Mangiapane is going to get?
BertCorbeau
F*ck cancer - RIP Fugu and Buffaloed
Also keep in mind that Florida lost Marchment and haven't really replaced him in their line up.
They're kind counting on Tkachuk to be both Huberdeau, in offensive, and Marchment, in offense and physical play.
They're kind counting on Tkachuk to be both Huberdeau, in offensive, and Marchment, in offense and physical play.
ULF_55
Moderator
Tkachuk is a really fine player, and can be a rat, but can lose his way.
Voodoo Child
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LeafChief
Matthew Knies Enthusiast
Also 30+ goals from Duclair, who will be out until at least xmas.
Not My Tempo
Registered User
To be fair losing Chiarot is addition by subtraction
hamzarocks
Registered User
Nylander and JT are not going to outproduce Barkov and Tkachuk
Barkov will get 90-95 points
Tkachuk 80-90
Nylander 75-85
JT 70 - 75
The panther's top duo is considerably better than our 3rd and 4th best forwards
Marner and Matthews should be 100-110 range so they easily ahead of Barkov and Tkachuk
Mess
Global Moderator
Don't forget new coach and new voice in Paul Maurice.
Florida Panthers are turning to Maurice — who is fourth on the NHL’s all-time games coached list with 1,684, seventh on the all-time wins list with 775.
Florida, over the last three combined seasons, ranks 2nd in the NHL in wins (130) and standings-points-per-game (1.35) — behind only Colorado on both of those lists. The Avalanches have 137 wins and average 1.41 standings points per game over that span and the new Cup Champs.
BertCorbeau
F*ck cancer - RIP Fugu and Buffaloed
Maurice waking up today and seeing Florida's new depth chart:
LeafChief
Matthew Knies Enthusiast
Oh Maurice. The guy who has missed the playoffs and underperformed with some very good Winnipeg teams playing in front of a Vezina level goaltender. Him, right? He'll make all the difference.
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1st round 2023 + Kerfoot + Holl + Prospect or 2nd round pick
For
Jonathan Huberdeau(50% retained)
We would then have the option to trade Tavares after this season and regain our assets we lost trading for Huberdeau plus sign Jonathan to a lower cap hit...win/win
Also we free up 2.750M this year!!
Enough to sign Sandin & Subban.
For
Jonathan Huberdeau(50% retained)
We would then have the option to trade Tavares after this season and regain our assets we lost trading for Huberdeau plus sign Jonathan to a lower cap hit...win/win
Also we free up 2.750M this year!!
Enough to sign Sandin & Subban.
Voodoo Child
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Tampa loses McDonagh and Palat, and will probably lose Killorn because they tied up major cap space and have Colton and Foote to up next year. To their credit, they paid the guys they developed in their own system, but that Sergachev deal is ugly.
Florida loses Giroux, Marchment, Chiarot, Huberdeau and Weegar. Tkachuk is good, I think he overachieved a little, but that’s a lot of impact going out the door.
The Leafs lost Campbell, Mikheyev, Blackwell, Kase and Lyubushkin. If goaltending is even just top-20 they should be okay.
I hope they get past the first round.
BertCorbeau
F*ck cancer - RIP Fugu and Buffaloed
The Atlantic should be closer next year. I don't think Montreal, Ottawa, Buffalo, or Detroit will surpass the other 4 but I think it will be more competitive.
Wouldn't be shocked for one or two of those teams to push for a wildcard spot for a while.
Wouldn't be shocked for one or two of those teams to push for a wildcard spot for a while.
BertCorbeau
F*ck cancer - RIP Fugu and Buffaloed
BertCorbeau
F*ck cancer - RIP Fugu and Buffaloed
Florida needs to make cap space and likely dump Hornqvist now .. which should cost them more picks.
Don'tcha just hate optimism when the situation clearly calls for doom and gloom fatalism?
Stephen
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With Paul Maurice at the helm I’m confident predicting the demise of the Panthers. That guy is all soundbite.
Well that kind of depends on whether or not you can sign huberdeau right?
If Matthews doesn’t want to sign here. I 100% trade him for a similar package of players who would sign here.
In this specific case. 115 pt 29 year old winger, 28 year old top 4 d and a 1st for a 25 year old 100’pt winger.
If we have to trade Matthews next summer and we could get like aho. Pesce 1st for him. I would do that. And that’s probably not even as good of a return
Calgary got fantastic assets considering the situation. If they just let them walk then it’s bad.
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It's still crazy to me that we just had the biggest trade of the cap era go down, and not a single insider had a hint that it was brewing because they're all in Muskoka right now. 
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