GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G

[GCK]

All about securing the bag.

List is home ( St Louis ) , low tax areas or NYC. Very typical for NHL players.

NYC area wasn’t him agreeing to sign there, it said they expressed interest in him in the past.

How bad of a job as Treliving done, got caught with this pants down after the season, got the hockey world to turn on Gaudreau but the jokes on him.

Sutter could still drag them along, but they are in no man’s land right now. Not bad enough to tank, not good enough to compete

They never should have hired Suter. Gaudreau would probably still be a Flame with a different coach.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

NYC are wasn’t him, it said they expressed interest in him in the past.


They never should have hired Suter. Gaudreau would probably still be a Flame with a different coach.

How ironic is it that the guy that got the most out of him is also the one that may have driven him away.

 

[ventimochatrex]

So are owners though. Purely speculative, but...


A successful team is the most valuable. But Debrincat or Batherson+ don't guarantee success that much more than swapping them for M Tkachuk. (From an owners point of view.)

But a Tkachuk brothers in their prime as an identify for the next 6-7 years is pretty marketable regardless of success.

If you were trying to position the team for sale/investment, is core plus maybe Debrincat or core plus locked up Tkachuks more appealing.


For the record, I personally think Debrincat is the better player (more proven track record), I don't think M. Tkachuk will sign for what I think he's worth (about same as Brady) especially in Canada, and I don't think Calgary would accept what we'd offer (a little more than what we paid for Debrincat)...regardless of the chemistry risks.

But, if there is any truth to Ottawa's interest in something this massive, how could long-term ownership interests (whatever they are) not be a factor?

Having a team with an identity based around something like the Tkachuk brothers would be Melnyk’s wet dream. Maybe it was his dying wish

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Do people ever get tired of whining about this?

Why would we get tired of bringing up an issue that disadvantages Canadian markets most, and creates a very real advantage for others?

 

[slamigo]

Do people ever get tired of whining about this?

What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[JD1]

Where did he say that? (It's my main concern with the idea of Matthew signing here, that and the cap).

He said it several months ago. It was in a clip I saw. Perhaps said in jest. Personally I'm good with Brady being top dog

 

[Bevans]

What the hell is wrong with you?

Gaudreau just left 15 million dollars on the table to not be in Canada. Some people just don't want to play for certain teams.

Why don't we just make them indentured slaves? That'll show those jerks.

 

[Ice-Tray]

As for Matthew, in a bubble it would be sweet for brothers to play together etc…

… but I think that these two need space as adults. A few things that stuck out to me is how Brady describes how competetive things are between the two boys growing up, and even now. Totally healthy for mini sticks and summer sports fun, but perhaps not as fun when it comes to teammates on Brady’s team.

Brady wasn’t exactly enthused with the things Matthew said during his contract negotiations, and even Matthew eluded to Brady being different than he and his dad, more like mom. I’m not sure both brothers see things the same way character-wise.

In simplified terms Brady seems like a stand up guy, while Matthew seems more like a weasel, not sure that would fly.

Matthew has his own career aspirations, and seems to want a big US stage, where Brady seems to be perfectly suited to be a local hockey hero.

They just seem to be very different players and people, which is totally fine, I just don’t see Matthew as a good character fit with us, and I’m not convinced that after a life of being the better big brother, super competetive towards his bigger little bro, that he could take a back seat to him on his team. Fans would always love Brady more as well, and little bro would be constantly fighting his battles when he refused to square up….

I’d prefer not to have family weirdness in the lockerroom again, especially something that could cripple our captain.

Just a few rambling thoughts….

 

[SpezDispenser]

It's too late on the M.Tkachuk thing, it really is. We got Debrincat and Giroux and we're lucky to have acquired them, it's done.

 

[Silencio]

The only way a Matthew Tkachuk trade makes sense for Ottawa (and for the record, I don't for a second believe it would actually happen) is if Batherson is the main piece going back to Calgary. There's simply no room in the top 6 otherwise, and the Senators aren't going to trade DeBrincat just days after acquiring and parading him around Ottawa, hyping up jersey sales etc. Of course Batherson is likely untradeable at this time, at least until the WJC situation and his involvement or lack thereof is clarified.

 

[slamigo]

Gaudreau just left 15 million dollars on the table to not be in Canada. Some people just don't want to play for certain teams.

Why don't we just make them indentured slaves? That'll show those jerks.

No, I’m saying that taxation issues should be figured out so that if two teams both offer the same money, it’s actually the same money.
If I were an NHLer, I would want to play in a no-tax state.

 

[Silencio]

As for Matthew, in a bubble it would be sweet for brothers to play together etc…

… but I think that these two need space as adults. A few things that stuck out to me is how Brady describes how competetive things are between the two boys growing up, and even now. Totally healthy for mini sticks and summer sports fun, but perhaps not as fun when it comes to teammates on Brady’s team.

Brady wasn’t exactly enthused with the things Matthew said during his contract negotiations, and even Matthew eluded to Brady being different than he and his dad, more like mom. I’m not sure both brothers see things the same way character-wise.

In simplified terms Brady seems like a stand up guy, while Matthew seems more like a weasel, not sure that would fly.

Matthew has his own career aspirations, and seems to want a big US stage, where Brady seems to be perfectly suited to be a local hockey hero.

They just seem to be very different players and people, which is totally fine, I just don’t see Matthew as a good character fit with us, and I’m not convinced that after a life of being the better big brother, super competetive towards his bigger little bro, that he could take a back seat to him on his team. Fans would always love Brady more as well, and little bro would be constantly fighting his battles when he refused to square up….

I’d prefer not to have family weirdness in the lockerroom again, especially something that could cripple our captain.

Just a few rambling thoughts….

Well put, and I think it's worth noting that in situations where brothers have played on the same team it's almost always been the older one who is the captain and clear leader (Eric Staal, Scott Niedermayer, Henrik Sedin by literally 5 minutes lol)

 

[Bevans]

No, I’m saying that taxation issues should be figured out so that if two teams both offer the same money, it’s actually the same money.
If I were an NHLer, I would want to play in a no-tax state.

Are you also going to account for being paid American dollars in Canada? Property tax? Levies? School quality? Consumption tax, Luxury tax, sin tax, insurance cost, advertising deals? Population density? Commute time?

This is not feasible. Some places are nicer to live than others. It's a fact of life. Better off accepting it than trying to rule a way out of it.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

Seems like Ottawa is not on anyone's list of possible MT destinations.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Seems like Ottawa is not on anyone's list of possible MT destinations.

Not on mine. I was going to tweet it out but ..

 

[Silencio]

 

[saskriders]

Are you also going to account for being paid American dollars in Canada? Property tax? Levies? School quality? Consumption tax, Luxury tax, sin tax, insurance cost, advertising deals? Population density? Commute time?

This is not feasible. Some places are nicer to live than others. It's a fact of life. Better off accepting it than trying to rule a way out of it.

Relocate all teams to Bit Tawil.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I mean, does this guy not realize that he's just not a credible source? He can "report" what he damn well pleases but it can't and won't be taken seriously.

EDIT: I'm a goof and mistook Eric Francis for Kevin Francis. Carry on.

 

[GCK]

No, I’m saying that taxation issues should be figured out so that if two teams both offer the same money, it’s actually the same money.
If I were an NHLer, I would want to play in a no-tax state.

Are we going to balance the cost of living between Manhattan and Winnipeg ?

For the record there is only a 1.32% difference in taxes between Columbus and Calgary.

 

[slamigo]

Are you also going to account for being paid American dollars in Canada? Property tax? Levies? School quality? Consumption tax, Luxury tax, sin tax, insurance cost, advertising deals? Population density? Commute time?

This is not feasible. Some places are nicer to live than others. It's a fact of life. Better off accepting it than trying to rule a way out of it.

No and the fact that all contracts are paid in US dollars already illustrates that the NHL wants salaries to be paid out in identical currency. None of the other factors you describe are bottom line issues. Income tax is.
Everything else is just considerations. But compensation is paramount. Every NHLer will tell you that treatment of income tax is a huge concern.
Methot has posted many times on Twitter that most players put Canada as well as any state that has high income tax on their No trade list if they have one.

Actually he can’t ‘report’ because he’s not an actual journalist or ‘reporter’. Lol

 

[Bevans]

No and the fact that all contracts are paid in US dollars already illustrates that the NHL wants salaries to be paid out in identical currency. None of the other factors you describe are bottom line issues. Income tax is.
Everything else is just considerations. But compensation is paramount. Every NHLer will tell you that treatment of income tax is a huge concern.
Methot has posted many times on Twitter that most players put Canada as well as any state that has high income tax on their No trade list if they have one.

Which brings us to my point.

Accept it. You'll live longer.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I mean, does this guy not realize that he's just not a credible source? He can "report" what he damn well pleases but it can't and won't be taken seriously.

EDIT: I'm a goof and mistook Eric Francis for Kevin Francis. Carry on.

 

[Random Comment]

The only way a Matthew Tkachuk trade makes sense for Ottawa (and for the record, I don't for a second believe it would actually happen) is if Batherson is the main piece going back to Calgary. There's simply no room in the top 6 otherwise, and the Senators aren't going to trade DeBrincat just days after acquiring and parading him around Ottawa, hyping up jersey sales etc. Of course Batherson is likely untradeable at this time, at least until the WJC situation and his involvement or lack thereof is clarified.

Batherson arguably a better player, at less than half the cost. No thanks.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I just don't see it. Calgary is like my 3/4 team I watch and I was disappointed with Tkachuk in the playoffs.

Acquisition aside, I'm not very interested in the contract he obviously expects. Save the big bag for Stutzle.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

cant see flames rebuilding yet

They lost two of the best wingers in the game. And as of right now don’t have a top center.