GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G

[DylanSensFan]

But why are fans around here so against trading him? If Formenton is being asked about should we not listen?

The return would have to be pretty good. Formenton is playoff hockey all day long.

 

[coladin]

This whole Formenton crap is infuriating. Huge step back if he is moved (and Connor Brown is gone as well)

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Here's the article from Bruce 4 days ago: GARRIOCH: Even after draft, plenty of 'to do' items for Senators

"Norris will be the most difficult to sign from the group of RFAs, while there’s speculation Formenton may be dealt. He would bring a good return if the Senators decide to go that route, but his name didn’t come up in trade talks at the draft."

It's odd that Bruce of all people would bring that up unless they're actually considering it.

 

[playasRus]

I can see Formenton developping into a 25-25 guy that fetches us a JPG package at the deadline. Would rather continue to develop him, give him a 3 year bridge at 2.8M x 3.

 

[Hale The Villain]

If we were moving Formenton and opening a top 9 spot we probably would have kept Brown

I don't think it's happening.

 

[PlayOn]

Here's the article from Bruce 4 days ago: GARRIOCH: Even after draft, plenty of 'to do' items for Senators

"Norris will be the most difficult to sign from the group of RFAs, while there’s speculation Formenton may be dealt. He would bring a good return if the Senators decide to go that route, but his name didn’t come up in trade talks at the draft."

It's odd that Bruce of all people would bring that up unless they're actually considering it.

Speculation from who though? Fans?

I don’t think the Sens are planning on trading him. If that’s what it takes to get the dman they want then maybe but I think there’s a huge difference between that and them shopping him. He even states his name didn’t come up in trade talks, so he might just be referring to online speculation.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Why is TSN bringing politics into the NHL ?

Edit:

I should have been more specific. Geno Reda asking if the NHL should celebrate his goal achievement if he breaks the record because of his affiliation to Putin.

Because its a good question. The answer is they shouldn't.

 

[Micklebot]

Here's the article from Bruce 4 days ago: GARRIOCH: Even after draft, plenty of 'to do' items for Senators

"Norris will be the most difficult to sign from the group of RFAs, while there’s speculation Formenton may be dealt. He would bring a good return if the Senators decide to go that route, but his name didn’t come up in trade talks at the draft."

It's odd that Bruce of all people would bring that up unless they're actually considering it.

You got to give up something to get players like Chychrun, Marino, or Weeger.

What are the options really, we won't trade our top 6 guys so no Norris, Tkachuck, Batherson, Stü, we just acquired Joseph so it would be odd to trade him, same applies to DeBrincat and Giroux.

So we're left with Pinto and Formenton if the other team wants an NHL ready forward

 

[JD1]

They need defensive hard to play against players. He has potential to be a 25/30 goal top defensive player in the league Top 5 fastest players in hockey. They just traded Connor Brown their best pk guy. They trade Formenton and it creates another hole. I see so many sens fans wanting to trade this guy. He is part of the core he is 22! This team isn't peaking next year it's going to be in 2 to 3. Where he will be absolutely integral. When you suggest things like simply replacing him with Kessel and Niederreiter it makes me question if you have a good handle on these players.

Idk, I don't see F as ever being a 25-30 goal guy. You said earlier he had 18 without any PP goals. He spent a fair bit of time in Norris's spot on the PP when Norris was out. He scored no PP goals because he whiffed on a lot on pucks he should have put in the net. He's not a PP player and barring injury likely sees zero time there this year.

I 100% agree he's a valuable piece. Great on PK. Hard to play against. I just don't see a lot of untapped potential offence. If we need that top 4 D and something has to go, he's a pretty likely candidate to move along.

 

[Tuna99]

Because its a good question. The answer is they shouldn't.

How do you separate sports and politics? If we did Tiger Woods wouldn’t be allowed on a golf course.

 

[bert]

Idk, I don't see F as ever being a 25-30 goal guy. You said earlier he had 18 without any PP goals. He spent a fair bit of time in Norris's spot on the PP when Norris was out. He scored no PP goals because he whiffed on a lot on pucks he should have put in the net. He's not a PP player and barring injury likely sees zero time there this year.

I 100% agree he's a valuable piece. Great on PK. Hard to play against. I just don't see a lot of untapped potential offence. If we need that top 4 D and something has to go, he's a pretty likely candidate to move along.

He had 18 in his rookie year at 22 with no pp goals. His even strenth production and goals per 60 already makes him a top 6 forward. You don't think he will improve at all? He is also a bigger player and late bloomer physically. literally every single aspect of the player points to him getting better and having a longer development curve. He had 0 first pp time.... Sorry this concept that he is the exception to the rule and won't improve simply doesn't make sense. He missed 20+ breakaways and 2 on 1's. His finish will undoubtedly get better. Look at Paul Byron. Same type of player just not as good at a younger age. His finish improved drastically.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Because its a good question. The answer is they shouldn't.

I disagree. I don't agree with him but that does not take away from his accomplishments on the ice.

 

[Micklebot]

He had 18 in his rookie year at 22 with no pp goals. You don't think he will improve at all? Sorry this simply doesn't make sense. He missed 20+ breakaways and 2 on 1's. His finish will undoubtedly get better.

Biggest challenge for now is going to be getting opportunity, not a lot of room for him to get offensive mins with the roster this year imo.

I agree with you that he's going to get better, 25-30 goals might be on the high side though, I think he'll get close, the guy is a breakaway machine, so if he can watch some old clips of TJ Oshie on shootouts or something look out...

 

[bert]

Biggest challenge for now is going to be getting opportunity, not a lot of room for him to get offensive mins with the roster this year imo.

I agree with you that he's going to get better, 25-30 goals might be on the high side though, I think he'll get close, the guy is a breakaway machine, so if he can watch some old clips of TJ Oshie on shootouts or something look out...

I don't think his minutes change at all. Why would they? He barely played on the pp. Maybe he loses 25 seconds in that regard. He is going to be first pk and likely on a matchup line against the other team's best players. The Debrincat Stutzle Giroux line will be used to get away from the other team's best guys. Formenton will play every shift after the sens pp. Great momentum player too.

 

[Micklebot]

I don't think his minutes change at all. Why would they? He barely played on the pp. Maybe he loses 25 seconds in that regard. He is going to be first pk and likely on a matchup line against the other team's best players. The Debrincat Stutzle Giroux line will be used to get away from the other team's best guys. Formenton will play every shift after the sens pp. Great momentum player too.

He played a ton with Stutzle and Brown, do you think that will happen again? I suspect he'd going to be with Pinto and Joseph, which while an excellent 3rd line on paper, is a bit of a downgrade imo and probably a swing from scoring line to matchup line in role. So about the same TOI/G, a touch less on the PP unless injuries really hurt us and a downgrade in linemates and a focus on defense/energy rather than scoring in terms of deployment /role.

 

[bert]

He played a ton with Stutzle and Brown, do you think that will happen again? I suspect he'd going to be with Pinto and Joseph, which while an excellent 3rd line on paper, is a bit of a downgrade imo and probably a swing from scoring line to matchup line in role. So about the same TOI/G, a touch less on the PP unless injuries really hurt us and a downgrade in linemates and a focus on defense/energy rather than scoring in terms of deployment /role.

I think that line could score quite a few goals off turnovers. Would be one of the best matchup lines in hockey. You need players to do both score and defend. Tampa and Colorado had integral two way players in both their runs. I think he will score 20 next year. That's a perfect line for him to maximize his skillset. Pintos take away ability to spring Formenton and Joseph will be deadly.

 

[Micklebot]

I think that line could score quite a few goals off turnovers. Would be one of the best matchup lines in hockey. You need players to do both score and defend. Tampa and Colorado had integral two way players in both their runs. I think he will score 20 next year. That's a perfect line for him to maximize his skillset. Pintos take away ability to spring Formenton and Joseph will be deadly.

Maybe, who knows. I just think being put in situations that are more favrourable matchups typically yields better results than trying to shut down other teams top lines.

Anyways, I'd eager to see how things pan out. we should be an exciting team to watch,

 

[Sens Vader]

I wanna see the Formenton Pinto Joseph line in action

 

[Micklebot]

I wanna see the Formenton Pinto Joseph line in action

Pinto is going to look slow on that line which is weird because he's a really good skater.

 

[JD1]

He had 18 in his rookie year at 22 with no pp goals. His even strenth production and goals per 60 already makes him a top 6 forward. You don't think he will improve at all? He is also a bigger player and late bloomer physically. literally every single aspect of the player points to him getting better and having a longer development curve. He had 0 first pp time.... Sorry this concept that he is the exception to the rule and won't improve simply doesn't make sense. He missed 20+ breakaways and 2 on 1's. His finish will undoubtedly get better. Look at Paul Byron. Same type of player just not as good at a younger age. His finish improved drastically.

he spent time where Norris parks himself on PP1. I like Formenton and sure i agree he has some untapped offensive potential. 25 to 30 goals. Given what we have in the top 6, if Formenton pots 25 you can write our playoff spot in ink write now.

 

[Big Muddy]

Weegar is looking to get paid and term and is honestly not the stay at home defensive style we need.

???

When paired with Ekblad (which he has been quite a bit), Weegar was the stay at home guy.

Klingberg is a PMD mostly, so would help create offense and get the puck out of our zone. He's not as strong defensively. He lost some of his shine I think when Heiskanen emerged.

 

[JD1]

I think that line could score quite a few goals off turnovers. Would be one of the best matchup lines in hockey. You need players to do both score and defend. Tampa and Colorado had integral two way players in both their runs. I think he will score 20 next year. That's a perfect line for him to maximize his skillset. Pintos take away ability to spring Formenton and Joseph will be deadly.

i think this trio could be one of the best 3rd lines in hockey and an excellent shut down line....looking forward to it

 

[Big Muddy]

You know the false narrative you said was regarding the hatred of Formenton.

There is one poster that seems to have made him his latest whipping post (now that White is gone).

 

[PlayOn]

From Lebrun in the Athletic

The Senators also aren’t done yet, as they need a right-shot, top-four defenceman. As of late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, blueliner John Klingberg is still available. I believe he would consider Ottawa, but it’s not the perfect fit as they have Thomas Chabot already running their power play.

I wonder about John Marino in Pittsburgh. GM Ron Hextall told local media he was listening to trade offers for him.

MacKenzie Weegar would have been a big score for the Sens, but I believe the Panthers have decided to keep him after losing Ben Chiarot to free agency.

The Sens have also kicked tires on Jakob Chychrun, who would come at a high cost if there’s even a trade fit with Arizona.

 

[Sens Vader]

Damn, no Weegar

The fact that Klingberg would consider Ottawa is cool

I am not very high on Marino

The two guys that are on the market that worry me: Petry and Myers