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I didn’t … do tell?
To be honest it always shocked me that Ottawa fans who wouldn’t spend their own money to go to a game would spend their own money for a billboard … this makes sense now.
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To be honest it always shocked me that Ottawa fans who wouldn’t spend their own money to go to a game would spend their own money for a billboard … this makes sense now.
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Do people on here hedge that AD12 won't resign to prepare yourselves for disappointment or to say I was right?
Why anyone on here that's a fan of the team, wouldn't want our management to have a plan or a want to keep an almost 3 time 40 goal scorer under 25 that we JUST acquired..... I'm just amazed.
Imho i dont think you make a play for a player like that without having a plan to keep them around.
Not at all… but I’d rather have AD than a 1RD pick this year. It’s time we win some games. If we cycle that back into a 20 year old developed top prospect or eventual 1RD pick I’m fine with that as a worst case scenario.
Players in UFA can go where ever they want. You would be foolish to assume they prefer your destination where they spent one year Vs over the other 30 choices including cities they grew up in, wives home town, nationality, weather, taxes etc.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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It was a joke, and a bad one at that, but it was because you said "the City" would erect billboards again.
Does seem a little silly, but the product was so bad at times these last few years I could maybe see buying tickets and not going if you still wanted to support the team but not actually spend the time watching.
Do people on here hedge that AD12 won't resign to prepare yourselves for disappointment or to say I was right?
Why anyone on here that's a fan of the team, wouldn't want our management to have a plan or a want to keep an almost 3 time 40 goal scorer under 25 that we JUST acquired..... I'm just amazed.
Imho i dont think you make a play for a player like that without having a plan to keep them around.
It's not about wanting or not wanting DeBrincat to re-sign, it's about predicting what may happen.
I'd love to re-sign DeBrincat as long as the price is reasonable, but I am skeptical that he'll want to re-sign long-term in Ottawa, and I have seen some signs that make me think the Sens may be fine trading for him knowing he may only be here for 1-2 years.
I just hope if DeBrincat doesn't want to re-sign that we trade him for a big package of futures instead of renting him for the extra year in hopes of winning a cup. Would be smarter to turn around and try to replace him in UFA or via trade than do that.
Who cares if he doesn't want to re-sign? Look at what Tkachuk just went for in the exact same situation. Teams will trade for an RFA star.Do people on here hedge that AD12 won't resign to prepare yourselves for disappointment or to say I was right?
Why anyone on here that's a fan of the team, wouldn't want our management to have a plan or a want to keep an almost 3 time 40 goal scorer under 25 that we JUST acquired..... I'm just amazed.
Imho i dont think you make a play for a player like that without having a plan to keep them around.
This chicken little stuff is bad for your heart, relax.
DeleteDo people on here hedge that AD12 won't resign to prepare yourselves for disappointment or to say I was right?
Why anyone on here that's a fan of the team, wouldn't want our management to have a plan or a want to keep an almost 3 time 40 goal scorer under 25 that we JUST acquired..... I'm just amazed.
Imho i dont think you make a play for a player like that without having a plan to keep them around.
One major difference between the Fiala and DeBrincat situations, beyond DBC being the much more proven scorer, is that Fiala needed that long term deal immediately, where with DBC we get to audition him away from Kane, and with our young lineup to see what he’s capable of before making an offer.
If he ends up more like a 30 goal scorer away from Kane, we can potentially lock him up for around 8 like the rest of the core.
Gives us time that we didn’t have with Fiala, much less of a gamble contract wise I should think.
Lol oh it isnt me that's crying that the sky might fall.
Im more confused why people are so uptight that we're gonna need to get rid of probably our most lethal offensive weapon before he's even played 1 game for us because of future cap space. Cant control if he stays or goes but the chances he stays with our club which is trending way up, is quite good given our young core.
Eugene did a number on the fanbase of this club.
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Hedge away no big whoop
I really have no idea what you're talking about.
Having good players that are protected is a good thing. That is all.
You have misinterpreted his comment from the start.
Everyone is already talking about losing this good player or that player and all he is saying is chill out and let's see what happens.
I'd rather a true top 4 D, but if a scenario occurs where Savard is available for Zaitsev, i'd make that trade asap. Less of a caphit and Savard literally cannot be as bad as Zaitsev.
Gil Gunderson
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I don't know if he stays or not, but it really doesn't matter if Dorion plans to keep him around. It takes two signatures.Do people on here hedge that AD12 won't resign to prepare yourselves for disappointment or to say I was right?
Why anyone on here that's a fan of the team, wouldn't want our management to have a plan or a want to keep an almost 3 time 40 goal scorer under 25 that we JUST acquired..... I'm just amazed.
Imho i dont think you make a play for a player like that without having a plan to keep them around.
In fairness, there have been other highly touted players who were traded for and then left when approaching UFA. Plus there have been some top players who were drafted by the Senators who chose to leave as UFA approached. There is some rationale to support having concerns while hoping for the best.
AD will likely never sign a long term deal here...But there would be nothing wrong with a 3 or 4 year extension for us....Or him
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I think you have made the salient point about the window. The timeline has changed and there is a window now like you say. It's always going to be a risk versus reward thing, and when you move more chips in, you open yourself to both winning more, and losing more.
I absolutely concede that it is a possibility, but it's hard for me personally to be preparing myself for losing the guy before he's even played one game for us.
We winged that no one of substance would consider signing here in Ottaberia (sp?) but then heard Giroux talk about what an exciting team we are becoming and that he wants to be a part of it. It's not a stretch to think Debrinkat, would also want to be part of that same young, exciting, up and coming team now that the suprise of being dealt has subsided.
I'm really don't consider myself a Pierre apologist, but he finally went out and took a swing at bringing in a lethal offensive weapon, in the perfect age range to the club.
Could he bounce? Totally.
But i gotta believe we traded for him to make our club better in our current window so we can compete with the big fish in the Atlantic, not to aquire more picks and prospects.
Sure there's been other Sens players that left for UFA, but you gotta feel that we're in a different stage today then we were when those players left, no?
I dunno maybe I'm being too hopeful, but it seems a bit early to be preparing ourselves for his departure when he's still yet to arrive.
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I don't think it has anything to do with that at least for some. It's just recognizing that there's 2 sides to every coin and being cognizant that this is the case.Do people on here hedge that AD12 won't resign to prepare yourselves for disappointment or to say I was right?
Why anyone on here that's a fan of the team, wouldn't want our management to have a plan or a want to keep an almost 3 time 40 goal scorer under 25 that we JUST acquired..... I'm just amazed.
Imho i dont think you make a play for a player like that without having a plan to keep them around.
One thing for sure, is we have the same "owner financial" situation & that has not changed. We still plan at operating below the cap ceiling based on what we know now. So, we need to see more revenue generated via fan attendance. The ownership situation could change of course, so that's a wild card that could change things.
Cap will eventually (2025) go up, but not much for the next 2 years based on the revised CBA and Bettman.
You shouldn't equate Fiala with DeBrincat. They're not the same. DeBrincat has quite a bit more of a track record. Fiala was looking to get paid after a breakout season
I can see the asset Mgmt criticism coming. We don't know what's going to happen with DeBrincat.. But isn't going for it what it is all about? You take your shot and win, maybe you lose?
We've been crying in here to surround our core with talent. Well we sure as hell achieved that this off season. We're right there and ya potentially there's going to be an "I'm all in" moment.
And if that happens and we keep DeBrincat only to trade his rights after two seasons, I sure hope we don't hear from you " we downgraded a 7oa and a 39oa for a 2nd in 2025, just terrible asset mgmt"
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Speaking of which, the core would be 5 players IF Chabot, Tkachuk, Norris, Stutzle & Sanderson are identified as the core players. Hypothetically, if all five are given max term, $8 m contracts, that's $40 m right there.
Although I haven't done a detailed analysis, I'd guess there haven't been many successful teams that paid more than $40 million (ish) for their core. Tampa has just recently reached (or exceeded) this situation. But, if someone wants to do additional research, by all means, that input would be welcome.
If you add Debrincat at $8 m, that's a 6 player core and $48 m of cap. That assumes that future contracts don't creep up and exceed the $8 m/yr.
Most teams have to make adjustments (subtractions) when they approach or get to that point. So, I'll guess that the Senators will need to do this at some point. It seems inevitable.
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I think not really knowing what Fiala is played a large factor. I agree Fiala for 7 was a factor. He had a breakout season. And he got paid for it. I'm happy it wasn't us that paid him.
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