Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Sens posted the Borowiecki extension on here iirc.

That is pretty sweet.

I know Ian Mendes has an account here. There is also no way that one of you aren't Pierre Dorion's burner.

 

[TheNewEra]

At the end of this yr I expect that the UFAs, Forsberg G, Hamonic RD, Cousins LW, Gaudette RW & Highmore LW will not be re-signed. That frees up around $6 mil & I expect that JBD RD & Gregor LW could also be gone to free up more money & roster spots. Giroux will likely be re-signed at a lower salary ($4.5). In the end, we could see enough money available this summer to sign another $8 mil player & the cap is going up.

Both Jensen RD & Perron's contracts will be over after next season & while I don't see them re-signing either they could afford to sign a couple of better & younger replacements as the cap goes up again. Yak will be on his ELC & sooner or later should be on the roster to add a little more offence from the defence as well as add a little more toughness to the team.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Boeser
Giroux - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Perron
Ostapchuk - Halliday - Amadio = $55 mil

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Matinpalo/Yakemchuk = $28 mil

Ullmark - Merilainen = $10.5 mil = $93.5 mil give or take

i follow the logic and it all makes sense im just curious what numbers did you give for resigning kleven, matinpalo and merilainen?

because from my end i low balled them and gave kleven 2 million, matinpalo 1 million and merilainen 1 million and without having yak on the roster i have 7.4 million in cap to spend on a forward but that would max our cap out while running a minimum roster. I doubt staios and company would want to put us in a similar situation as this year.

If we factor in an extra forward and extra dman we will be at 5.8 million roughly. That depends on if we want to carry the extra players but either way i expectt staios to keep 1-2 million as flexibility for injuries and the deadline.

so i really see us having the budget for a forward in the 3.5-5.5 range (probably on the lower end because i expect us to carry an extra forward and sebrango as the extra dman since he will be waiver eligible)

 

[Golden_Jet]

i follow the logic and it all makes sense im just curious what numbers did you give for resigning kleven, matinpalo and merilainen?

because from my end i low balled them and gave kleven 2 million, matinpalo 1 million and merilainen 1 million and without having yak on the roster i have 7.4 million in cap to spend on a forward but that would max our cap out while running a minimum roster. I doubt staios and company would want to put us in a similar situation as this year.

If we factor in an extra forward and extra dman we will be at 5.8 million roughly. That depends on if we want to carry the extra players but either way i expectt staios to keep 1-2 million as flexibility for injuries and the deadline.

so i really see us having the budget for a forward in the 3.5-5.5 range (probably on the lower end because i expect us to carry an extra forward and sebrango as the extra dman since he will be waiver eligible)

how much money did you set aside for injuries and/or wiggle room for a trade.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

How many games as he missed beyond the shoulder issues.

That question is a fallacy, because he missed so much time due to the shoulder injury, that the opportunity for him to miss other games wasn't there. You can't miss games due to an LBI when you're sitting out entire chunks of seasons for shoulder injuries.

This season alone, he missed 8 out of 60 games so far. That's about 11 games over an 82 game season. We only have a small sample size to evaluate because he has been out with a shoulder injury for almost half of his entire career as a Senator.

The only two pro seasons that he didn't miss games were both the COVID shortened seasons (one of those two being in the AHL). Prior to those two seasons, his final College season was shut down early due to a shoulder injury.

With that said, the shoulder injury is the primary issue. The other time missed is a secondary issue. Looking at all the evidence, I think the burden of proof at this point would be on posters who want to prove that he is durable, not that he is injury prone. Norris being injury prone is an objective conclusion based on the high percentage of games he has missed since his 2021-2022.

 

[TheNewEra]

how much money did you set aside for injuries and/or wiggle room for a trade.

i did about 2 million for injuries/wiggle room for trade. I did roundish numbers when i said 3.5 to 5.5 but it would be 3.8-5.4 roughly. Again i expect it to be closer to 3.8 since we probably carry an extra forward and dman but at the very least an extra dman.

And the 2 million is probably not enough wiggle room either but we do have a need for a forward and have no forward that we can comfortably plug into a top 9 spot from the minors. I wouldnt be surprised if we try for a lottery ticket/reclamation signing and keep more wiggle room.

I do think we got to be realistic with the wiggle room where if its going to end up being 7 million at the deadline its going to be way too much because its rare that players of that cap hit get moved

 

[Golden_Jet]

i did about 2 million for injuries/wiggle room for trade. I did roundish numbers when i said 3.5 to 5.5 but it would be 3.8-5.4 roughly. Again i expect it to be closer to 3.8 since we probably carry an extra forward and dman but at the very least an extra dman.

And the 2 million is probably not enough wiggle room either but we do have a need for a forward and have no forward that we can comfortably plug into a top 9 spot from the minors. I wouldnt be surprised if we try for a lottery ticket/reclamation signing and keep more wiggle room.

I do think we got to be realistic with the wiggle room where if its going to end up being 7 million at the deadline its going to be way too much because its rare that players of that cap hit get moved

I’d say with a 22 man roster, 3 million wiggle room would be nice, but ya 2 is the bare minimum.

 

[DrEasy]

i follow the logic and it all makes sense im just curious what numbers did you give for resigning kleven, matinpalo and merilainen?

because from my end i low balled them and gave kleven 2 million, matinpalo 1 million and merilainen 1 million and without having yak on the roster i have 7.4 million in cap to spend on a forward but that would max our cap out while running a minimum roster. I doubt staios and company would want to put us in a similar situation as this year.

If we factor in an extra forward and extra dman we will be at 5.8 million roughly. That depends on if we want to carry the extra players but either way i expectt staios to keep 1-2 million as flexibility for injuries and the deadline.

so i really see us having the budget for a forward in the 3.5-5.5 range (probably on the lower end because i expect us to carry an extra forward and sebrango as the extra dman since he will be waiver eligible)

Are you bringing back Giroux in your scenario?

 

[TheNewEra]

I’d say with a 22 man roster, 3 million wiggle room would be nice, but ya 2 is the bare minimum.

so in reality baring another move we are probably looking at forwards in the following range if we are seeking a top 9 option that has some offense and can play in the top 6 in a pinch

dadonov
van reimsdyk
mangiapane
nyquist
reilly smith
roslovic
hall (if that rumored extension doesnt pan out)
skinner
kuzmenko

the rest of the forwards are either too expensive or dont really provide offense. I also dont like half the names on the list i just made haha

Are you bringing back Giroux in your scenario?

yeah that was including giroux at 4.5. I used that number since it was listed in the post i was replying to

 

[DrEasy]

so in reality baring another move we are probably looking at forwards in the following range if we are seeking a top 9 option that has some offense and can play in the top 6 in a pinch

dadonov
van reimsdyk
mangiapane
nyquist
reilly smith
roslovic
hall (if that rumored extension doesnt pan out)
skinner
kuzmenko

the rest of the forwards are either too expensive or dont really provide offense. I also dont like half the names on the list i just made haha


yeah that was including giroux at 4.5. I used that number since it was listed in the post i was replying to

So it's either bring back Giroux and add another $4M veteran (reminder: this gets us someone like Perron), or don't bring back Giroux and get a guy at $8M or so + one internal promotion. I know which option I like better, but I just don't know what $8M can get us.

 

[TheNewEra]

So it's either bring back Giroux and add another $4M veteran (reminder: this gets us someone like Perron), or don't bring back Giroux and get a guy at $8M or so + one internal promotion. I know which option I like better, but I just don't know what $8M can get us.

pretty much, the only way around it is if giroux was willing to take a 1 year at a time deal and we give him a bonus based deal this year. Would allow us to get a 5-6 million dollar forward and his bonuses would hit our cap the following year when perron/jensen are off the cap sheet

again this is all of the exercise that we bring a similar team back. Since we arent trying Norris on the wing for whatever reason i wouldnt be surprised if we try to move him in the offseason. I personally wouldnt like it but i see the logic in trying to move him

 

[bicboi64]

If it's a seller's market, I wonder if we can get a draft pick for Gaudette.

Not that he's a liability, but he doesn't have a future here.

 

[Crosside]

Senators winger Drake Batherson getting attention before NHL trade deadline

Ottawa isn't in any hurry to trade 26-year-old Drake Batherson, but that hasn't stopped teams from calling

ottawacitizen.com

 

[GCK]

If it's a seller's market, I wonder if we can get a draft pick for Gaudette.

Not that he's a liability, but he doesn't have a future here.

We can’t be sellers

 

[Blotto71]

We can’t be sellers

Well, if there is a market for 3 win Vanacek @ $3.5M per season, from a team with no cap retention spots, then we can sure as hell afford to sell Forsberg!

 

[DackellDuck]

I read that Ottawa has shown interest in Mario Ferraro, so I wonder if they consider Tyler Kleven a long-term piece or if they'd dangle him to bring in a forward.

If they think Yakemchuk will be ready to make the jump next year, they may want a veteran LD to pair with him. Plus we're locked into Sanderson and Chabot in the top 4 on the left side.

If we're interested in acquiring a younger forward who has control that could potentially play in the top 6, Kleven is a piece that would probably have value.

 

[darude]

Senators winger Drake Batherson getting attention before NHL trade deadline

Ottawa isn't in any hurry to trade 26-year-old Drake Batherson, but that hasn't stopped teams from calling

ottawacitizen.com

Between Norris and Batherson, I'm kinda unsure who is the more valuable to trade.

Norris' risks:
- Injury prone, misses probably 20-40 games a season.
- Term on contract

Batherson's risks:
- Without obvious injuries, fogs a mirror for probably 20-40 games a season and not much else.
- Coaches keep trying to make fetch happen and it's costing us wins.

On the one hand, with the injuries you can at least LTIR someone and wind up with extra cap space. On the other, it does suck to have $8m locked up to a guy who only plays to that value 50% of the season.

The big question is how much did his off season surgery work for him? If Norris is in the lineup for 60+ games a year, he's worth keeping and is clearly the better player.

 

[DackellDuck]

League executives believe if Staios could find a way to bring in a rugged forward to play in the bottom six, he would. That would take some of the heat off Brady Tkachuk to drop the gloves.

I bet we end up with Michael McCarron. Plays C, fights and only makes $900k this year and next.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I read that Ottawa has shown interest in Mario Ferraro, so I wonder if they consider Tyler Kleven a long-term piece or if they'd dangle him to bring in a forward.

If they think Yakemchuk will be ready to make the jump next year, they may want a veteran LD to pair with him. Plus we're locked into Sanderson and Chabot in the top 4 on the left side.

If we're interested in acquiring a younger forward who has control that could potentially play in the top 6, Kleven is a piece that would probably have value.

I wonder if they could consider Norris. They are a team that has the cap flexibility to take a risk on him. Norris, Celebrini, and Smith would be a very solid group for them.

Ferraro is a UFA at the end of the 2026 season, so it makes sense that they might try to sell high when he has term.

If he could play his offside, he would be infinitely more useful in our lineup.

I bet we end up with Michael McCarron. Plays C, fights and only makes $900k this year and next.

Wow maybe we could trade Josh Norris for Mario Ferrero and Barclay Goodrow.

 

[PlayOn]

Senators winger Drake Batherson getting attention before NHL trade deadline

Ottawa isn't in any hurry to trade 26-year-old Drake Batherson, but that hasn't stopped teams from calling

ottawacitizen.com

This article really feels like Bruce has nothing else to write about so he’s just stirring the pot.

“Teams are calling about Batherson but they won’t trade him.”

Alright so no news then.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Only one on that list who is good is Quinn.

Which is why he’s not a buy low.

Usually players everyone knows are good you can’t “buy low” on
Mans even then we don’t know if Quinn is good. But his value is likely higher than the others.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I bet we end up with Michael McCarron. Plays C, fights and only makes $900k this year and next.

Wasn't there a rumour Nashville was looking at JBD too?

JBD + 3rd/4th for McCarron would be my guess

 

[Cosmix]

Reading various posts and internet stuff, it appears Staios is potentially interested in trading JBD, Norris and maybe Batherson.

Of course there are others that could be traded if we could find a buyer willing to pay something of value: Perron, Amadio, Cousins, Gregor, MacEwen, Crookshank, Gaudette, Forsberg, Sogaard, Hamonic (yeah I know he has a NMC).

 

[GCK]

Reading various posts and internet stuff, it appears Staios is potentially interested in trading JBD, Norris and maybe Batherson.

Of course there are others that could be traded if we could find a buyer willing to pay something of value: Perron, Amadio, Cousins, Gregor, MacEwen, Crookshank, Gaudette, Forsberg, Sogaard, Hamonic (yeah I know he has a NMC).

Staios isn’t moving guys he brought in this summer. Just stop.

 

[Tuna99]

The only trade for Norris I could see would be for a clear upgrade - and the player out there is Elias Petterssen. Of course Travis Green knows the player (4 seasons and EP 18 Points in 17 playoff games) - and if your Travis Green and think your upgrading from Kyle Turris to Jason Spezza you demand Staois make the trade.

So in this sense I could see them trading Norris if it’s a clear upgrade - all this lateral talk or scoring forwards, bigger wingers etc etc makes no sense because you don’t ship out a guy who’s been through Belleville and the NHL to score 35 goals for you, for a lateral move to upgrade RW or add a center who doesn’t have the speed and chemistry with Brady but is 20 pounds heavier. Norris a core piece - i see him as a Hejduk / Drury type on a Cup winner, big goal scorer who scores huge goals when needed - BUT

Ott: Petersen
Van: Norris, Yakemchuk

See this more as a summer move if both teams don’t make the playoffs, and if Ottawa makes it and doesn’t go deep they have the excuse to upgrade the lineup of course

 

[aragorn]

i follow the logic and it all makes sense im just curious what numbers did you give for resigning kleven, matinpalo and merilainen?

because from my end i low balled them and gave kleven 2 million, matinpalo 1 million and merilainen 1 million and without having yak on the roster i have 7.4 million in cap to spend on a forward but that would max our cap out while running a minimum roster. I doubt staios and company would want to put us in a similar situation as this year.

If we factor in an extra forward and extra dman we will be at 5.8 million roughly. That depends on if we want to carry the extra players but either way i expectt staios to keep 1-2 million as flexibility for injuries and the deadline.

so i really see us having the budget for a forward in the 3.5-5.5 range (probably on the lower end because i expect us to carry an extra forward and sebrango as the extra dman since he will be waiver eligible)

Yes, I was just ball parking it & it might be that Amadio & his $2.6 would have to go too.