Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[aragorn]

It's not about being one of the best players, even though he's not. He'd easily be after Stutzle, Sanderson, Tkachuk, Chabot, and Pinto in terms of best players on the team.

It is about the cap space and giving Pinto a bigger role. They need to improve on the wings and get some depth on D.

Right now Tkachuk is the only winger who looks like he belongs on the top two lines. Batherson should come around also but right now he's not looking good. I wonder if Giroux is still a top 2 line guy.

Maybe they could try Norris on the wing but clearing his cap room gives Staois the flexibility to tweak the roster.

It's nice to see people start talking about Pinto as a 2nd line C since I have been talking about it from the beginning that he had 2nd line C potential.

If they were to get Boeser either though this trade deadline or over the summer & someone who I think Green wants, then that answers the question of a goal scoring RW for Stutzle. That allows them to move Giroux to the 2nd line that clearly needs something to get Norris & Batherson going. I don't think they should trade Norris who when healthy had 35 goals from a team that needs more goal scoring. Perron at $4 mil is really the problem here but maybe he could find a fit on that 3rd line instead of Amadio who has done well, but also doesn't bring much offence. I doubt Forsberg G, Amadio RW & JBD RD are enough & it's likely they might have to add their 1st to get it done. Boeser had 73 pts last yr, how would he do with Brady & Stutzle?

With the top line having such an obvious hole, it is kind of odd they haven't at least tried to get more creative with something like Norris on the wing. I've also asked for that a few times this year.

Boeser had 73 pts last yr, he's another guy that when healthy can put the puck in the net & on a line with Brady & Stutzle could return to that kind of scoring pace. That frees up Giroux to join the second line & maybe get Norris & Batherson out of their slumps. Norris had a 35 goals season when healthy, he is a very good young centre who can play in all situations, is great at faceoffs, very good defensively & is playing well on the PK as well.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

cause then there is a large hole as 3C. Greig is not that.

I'd argue less glaring, but yes, that's been the argument every time.

Personally, I think it's more important we give our best player a better opportunity to succeed and try to get more offense going. Giroux should not be on a top line anymore.

 

[HSF]

Frederic gets a 2nd+4th from Edmonton after putting up 15 points in 57 games

And according to Chris Johnston he might not even be back from the IR until the playoffs.

Yeah let's not jump on board the crazy train and buy at the deadline. Silly season in full swing.

2nd and a 4th is not that bad? He put up 40 point last year and players a hardddd game. He looked solid in the playoffs.

also Donato and him are pretty different. Fredric is the type of guy that playoff teams covet cause of how he plays

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It isn't so much about how they spend the money in the immediate future, it's about not being tied down to another 5 years of big money for a player who due to injuries has only played half of the possible NHL games he could have over the last four seasons.

They might go and spend the money on two David Perron's who come in and are a flop on the ice. But the difference is that those contracts will only be on the book for the short term, with Norris, they are stuck with him.

I also think that the money is a factor, he makes 9.5M this season and the next two seasons.

The injury as it relates to insurance also might be an issue. We don't know if his should was a pre-existing condition. Even if it is covered, it isn't like insurance covers the entirety of the money. We're not a big market team who can just say throw him on LTIR and be done with it. The real dollars play a factor, even if we aren't going full-Melnyk with the budget.



It isn't so much about how they spend the money in the immediate future, it's about not being tied down to another 5 years of big money for a player who due to injuries has only played half of the possible NHL games he could have over the last four seasons.

They might go and spend the money on two David Perron's who come in and are a flop on the ice. But the difference is that those contracts will only be on the book for the short term, with Norris, they are stuck with him.

I also think that the money is a factor, he makes 9.5M this season and the next two seasons.

The injury as it relates to insurance also might be an issue. We don't know if his should was a pre-existing condition. Even if it is covered, it isn't like insurance covers the entirety of the money. We're not a big market team who can just say throw him on LTIR and be done with it. The real dollars play a factor, even if we aren't going full-Melnyk with the budget. The issue with the contract ultimately is the liability of it.

I don’t think we are making roster decisions based on insurance. If we are then we are still in the same trouble we were when melnyk was owner
And yes it is about how they spend the money. This is competitive sports

Cap space will open up.

 

[HSF]

The issue with Norris is the same we had with Murray. Its availability. You are playing half you games with a 8mill cap handicap constantly.

I agree we would have to fill that spot but I don't think its impossible. Norris is not some superstar. Him being injured all the time throws the team off and also create a 8mill hole on the roster which we can't spend

 

[bicboi64]

If Edmonton needs to make more room for more moves but are limited by capspace, I hope we can get Connor Brown back. He's one of the only forwards on that roster without trade protection.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The issue with Norris is the same we had with Murray. Its availability. You are playing half you games with a 8mill cap handicap constantly.

I agree we would have to fill that spot but I don't think it’s impossible. Norris is not some superstar. Him being injured all the time throws the team off and also create a 8mill hole on the roster which we can't spend

Post surgery this simply isn’t true unless he suffers a season ending injury next game.

No he’s not a superstar. Yet this is the first time in our history we’ve had 3 really good centers lol.

we almost got there with spezza Turris Pageau but not quite.

I do not want to give up center depth

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I’d try to move Bath before Norris. Contract is probably much easier to move too.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

If Edmonton needs to make more room for more moves but are limited by capspace, I hope we can get Connor Brown back. He's one of the only forwards on that roster without trade protection.

His cap hit is $1m and he's been pretty good for them on both sides of the puck (at least relative to their other depth players).

They would be better off waiving someone like Kapanen or maybe even Kane, if it comes down to it. If they were to move Brown, he would probably get a decent return.

 

[BigRig4]

The issue with Norris is the same we had with Murray. Its availability. You are playing half you games with a 8mill cap handicap constantly.

I agree we would have to fill that spot but I don't think it’s impossible. Norris is not some superstar. Him being injured all the time throws the team off and also create a 8mill hole on the roster which we can't spend

Especially with the cap going up too, if he goes down again we likely can’t bankroll a replacement in real salary either.

 

[Blotto71]

He’s in the middle of a great year.

You’re also applying logic during trade deadline season. The right price is rarely the price that gets paid

Fair enough

 

[aragorn]

At the end of this yr I expect that the UFAs, Forsberg G, Hamonic RD, Cousins LW, Gaudette RW & Highmore LW will not be re-signed. That frees up around $6 mil & I expect that JBD RD & Gregor LW could also be gone to free up more money & roster spots. Giroux will likely be re-signed at a lower salary ($4.5). In the end, we could see enough money available this summer to sign another $8 mil player & the cap is going up.

Both Jensen RD & Perron's contracts will be over after next season & while I don't see them re-signing either they could afford to sign a couple of better & younger replacements as the cap goes up again. Yak will be on his ELC & sooner or later should be on the roster to add a little more offence from the defence as well as add a little more toughness to the team.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Boeser
Giroux - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Perron
Ostapchuk - Halliday - Amadio = $55 mil

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Matinpalo/Yakemchuk = $28 mil

Ullmark - Merilainen = $10.5 mil = $93.5 mil give or take

 

[Golden_Jet]

I agree with you 100 percent in theory, but if they think a Tkachuk trade is coming in the summer,

luckily they done think that way about Brady,

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I don’t think we are making roster decisions based on insurance. If we are then we are still in the same trouble we were when melnyk was owner
And yes it is about how they spend the money. This is competitive sports

Cap space will open up.

The Josh Norris contract is massive.

This isn't the same as forcing Andrew Hammond in the Duchene trade to save a million bucks. We're talking about paying a player tens of millions of dollars to possibly not play. Because of the history of the ownership here, if anything budget related gets mentioned people are rightfully defensive, but most NHL teams that aren't the Leafs or Rangers have some sort of limit of what they can swallow money wise as it relates to liability.

From a competitive POV where you ignore real dollars, if they think that Norris is at risk of missing time on and off for injury, it handcuffs the team competitively because that is cap space that they can't employ. LTIR is fine when a team has a bunch of players who are LTIRetired, but when players come on and off of it constantly, it can become a major competitive disadvantage.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

f*** it.

Norris + Batherson for Peterka + Couzens lol

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I wonder what we would need to add to Batherson for Clarke + Moore from LA. Moore is included for cap purposes but is a modest asset who is typically good for 0.5-0.6 PPG, has a good motor, and makes $4.2m thru the end of the 27-28 season.

I'm not sure we have the assets to do so without giving up a 1st, though.

f*** it.

Norris + Batherson for Peterka + Couzens lol

f*** it! Let's rob a team. Why not, eh?

My only remaining question: why not throw Alex Tuch in, too?

 

[OUT HOUSE]

f*** it.

Norris + Batherson for Peterka + Couzens lol

Maybe if Tim Murray was still GM

 

[Icelevel]

Maybe if Tim Murray was still GM

ha, they should never have fired Tim Murray. Idiots

 

[Hale The Villain]

2nd and a 4th is not that bad? He put up 40 point last year and players a hardddd game. He looked solid in the playoffs.

also Donato and him are pretty different. Fredric is the type of guy that playoff teams covet cause of how he plays

This year isn't last year.

Whether due to injury or other factors, Frederic has not played well this season, and his value as a rental should largely based on what he's done this season (not much).

And I can't stress enough that he's injured right now. The Oilers traded that much for him not even knowing if he'll play a regular season game for him this year.

 

[GCK]

I don’t think Quinn and newhook are buy lows.

I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on holtz. He’s shit but could be an alright trigger man for stu

Only one on that list who is good is Quinn.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

This year isn't last year.

Whether due to injury or other factors, Frederic has not played well this season, and his value as a rental should largely based on what he's done this season (not much).

And I can't stress enough that he's injured right now. The Oilers traded that much for him not even knowing if he'll play a regular season game for him this year.

Paying extra assets to retain him down to $750k while he might not play a single game for them in which the cap applies... pretty cautious. I'm surprised they couldn't find someone better and healthier for what they gave up. Obviously a sellers market... but still.

 

[GCK]

3 out of 4 points since our Cs are all playing and we want to trade Norris. Rumours Doesn’t make sense to me but these local guys gotta put some name into the trade rumour pipeline from the Sens and Forsberg just isn’t a sexy name at all - so Norris it is for now.

I’m a big proponent of Norris but there’s enough smoke to be clear that’s the piece they want to use to improve. I can’t imagine it’s a cap space move but if the can turn him into a scoring winger and a 3rd line winger then I can see the logic.

 

[GCK]

The issue with Norris is the same we had with Murray. Its availability. You are playing half you games with a 8mill cap handicap constantly.

I agree we would have to fill that spot but I don't think its impossible. Norris is not some superstar. Him being injured all the time throws the team off and also create a 8mill hole on the roster which we can't spend

How many games as he missed beyond the shoulder issues.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Didn't Tim Murray's kid leak a trade here or something, way back in the day?

You never know whose boots are on the ground looking for sources.

 

[BigRig4]

Didn't Tim Murray's kid leak a trade here or something, way back in the day?

You never know whose boots are on the ground looking for sources.

Sens posted the Borowiecki extension on here iirc.