Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Hughes is apparently hurt.

I am going to raise the Hughes+Hughes for Norris+Brady from a FIN21 to a FIN21.5.

If you want to read more about it, I'll have it on my next HockeyBuzz column.

 

[GCK]

I agree.

Not a cent over 3 million for Giroux. Give him 2 million in performance bonuses.

Norris, Giroux, Perron, Batherson, Forsberg.

Staios has a significant next few months ahead of him.

I hate performance bonuses. It just pushes the caphit forward.

There’s no decision on Forsberg, his contract is up.

 

[PlayOn]

Seravelli was on CIH today, the gist was:

- Ottawa wants to move Norris, they’ve been trying. Seems like they would do it now. But cap hit and term is a deterrent for teams.

- Seems like Peterka is unhappy in Buffalo along with a lot of others. He thinks there will be a lot more offer sheets this summer so Buffalo might be pushed into trading him because he doesn’t have to sign his qualifying offer and can then just wait for one.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Seravelli was on CIH today, the gist was:

- Ottawa wants to move Norris, they’ve been trying. Seems like they would do it now. But cap hit and term is a deterrent for teams.

- Seems like Peterka is unhappy in Buffalo along with a lot of others. He thinks there will be a lot more offer sheets this summer so Buffalo might be pushed into trading him because he doesn’t have to sign his qualifying offer and can then just wait for one.

Is Seravelli an insider that has real sources? It's a question, as I don’t know. I seem to recall some negative comments in the past (perhaps in here).

There’s 2 steps to making the Senators better if they are contemplating moving Norris. The first is moving Norris. The 2nd step is replacing him with something better. Its the 2nd step that isn’t automatic & is harder to do. Of course, a big part of the motivation of moving Norris is his injury concerns. Norris has played 51 games this year, and could end up playing 74 games. Tarasenko also had 3 shoulder surgeries, had the same operation from the same surgeon 4 years ago, and hasn’t had any issues since.

Having said this, I’m fine with moving him, but as long it results in actual improvement. Dumping him is the easy part. These Rantanen pipe dreams, or for that matter Boeser aren’t getting it done imo.

It would be weird if Buffalo loses Peterka. He’s just the kind of player you’d think they’d want to keep. Anyhow, the gap between the have & have not teams seems to be growing.

 

[PlayOn]

Is Seravelli an insider that has real sources? It's a question, as I don’t know. I seem to recall some negative comments in the past (perhaps in here).

There’s 2 steps to making the Senators better if they are contemplating moving Norris. The first is moving Norris. The 2nd step is replacing him with something better. Its the 2nd step that isn’t automatic & is harder to do. Of course, a big part of the motivation of moving Norris is his injury concerns. Norris has played 51 games this year, and could end up playing 74 games. Tarasenko also had 3 shoulder surgeries, had the same operation from the same surgeon 4 years ago, and hasn’t had any issues since.

Having said this, I’m fine with moving him, but as long it results in actual improvement. Dumping him is the easy part. These Rantanen pipe dreams, or for that matter Boeser aren’t getting it done imo.

It would be weird if Buffalo loses Peterka. He’s just the kind of player you’d think they’d want to keep. Anyhow, the gap between the have & have not teams seems to be growing.

He is. He gets some flack because he does get things wrong but he’s broken a ton of trades. He was first on the Rantanen trade if I recall but got some details wrong, so he might be too quick to report things sometimes without confirming but he’s as good a source as anyone outside of Friedman really.

 

[BigRig4]

I’m a huge Kleven fan, but maybe he could get us some help at forward? He’d probably have some decent value as a big/mobile defenceman. With our glut of LD it might be worth looking into.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

There's been too much smoke around Norris I think at this point. Hasn't Garrioch referenced this numerous times this year too? Seems like there might be something to it.

 

[TheNewEra]

There's been too much smoke around Norris I think at this point. Hasn't Garrioch referenced this numerous times this year too? Seems like there might be something to it.

i havent seen as many leaks come from this management group (actually any but i could be forgetting something).

I wouldnt be surprised if the team is trying to move norris but thats a logical suggestion. Wouldnt be surprised if thats what these reporters are doing

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

i havent seen as many leaks come from this management group (actually any but i could be forgetting something).

I wouldnt be surprised if the team is trying to move norris but thats a logical suggestion. Wouldnt be surprised if thats what these reporters are doing

Ya it could go either way, just seems like it's been brought up a few times now and of all the 8x8's, moving Norris' makes the most sense. With them so cap strapped, it wouldn't surprise me if they're trying to shift a bigger salary into 2 or 3 smaller ones just to try to balance things more and have Pinto step into the 2C role.

 

[TheNewEra]

Ya it could go either way, just seems like it's been brought up a few times now and of all the 8x8's, moving Norris' makes the most sense. With them so cap strapped, it wouldn't surprise me if they're trying to shift a bigger salary into 2 or 3 smaller ones just to try to balance things more and have Pinto step into the 2C role.

for sure logically it makes sense

just with our previous management group we knew that anything garrioch said was basically coming from dorion/melnyk

i havent seen that yet with this group so im not sure if its actual smoke or just the reporters applying some logic and trying to drum up interest for the trade deadline

 

[DackellDuck]

Hey, I’d be fully on board with moving Norris if we get a return that gives the team a different look. Even something like Matias Macelli and Jack McBain from Utah, or Lawson Crouse.

But we should be honest about the fact, that even though he’s overpaid, he’s still one of our more important and effective players and someone who can actually shoot the puck in the net.

I get the injury concerns, but if you’re dumping him for the sake of dumping his contract, just know that all we’ll be able to use that money for in UFA is another “character” veteran on their last legs, who we’ll also have to overpay (see David Perron).

I’d probably explore moving Batherson first.

 

[PlayOn]

There's been too much smoke around Norris I think at this point. Hasn't Garrioch referenced this numerous times this year too? Seems like there might be something to it.

I think he’s as good as gone this summer unless his contract is literally immovable.

I would’ve liked to see him after a healthy year and off-season but I do get their logic. Just one of those things where they better be right, because if they give up a top 6 centre for a poor return and he ends up being great next year, it’s another wasted asset for this team.

 

[HSF]

even if Norris is healthy he can't drive a line and makes too much for not being able to. We also have Pinto who will want to move up at some point.

This is an offseason move unless something obvious comes.

 

[Icelevel]

Norris and batherson have to go.
Their attitude/demeanour is no good.

 

[bicboi64]

If Norris is getting moved, I just hope we have enough coming back that we can maintain depth or have some assets. Having more winger depth and trying Greig on 3C isn't the worst case and we might even have enough capspace to add more depth.

If we can get Macelli and McBain, we get two wingers that can fit into our middle 6, plus some capspace to play with.

 

[Blotto71]

Ya it could go either way, just seems like it's been brought up a few times now and of all the 8x8's, moving Norris' makes the most sense. With them so cap strapped, it wouldn't surprise me if they're trying to shift a bigger salary into 2 or 3 smaller ones just to try to balance things more and have Pinto step into the 2C role.

I agree. I also think we fans have to appreciate that the Sens are unlikely to win any Norris trade - in the 2 for Norris scenario we are not getting back equal value.

I submit: Norris to Utah for Crouse + McBain. Is that even something Utah considers?

Crouse would being some jam and take some heat off of Brady. McBain still has upside, but is the team better with him at LW with Pinto and Batherson? Not sure...

The guy I really struggle to find a place for is Perron. He just doesn't fit ... anywhere ... he's not a top 6 winger, he doesn't fit the mold of a 3rd liner, and if he ends up on the 4th...yikes! I can't see any opportunity to move him w/o retaining 50% (and I don't think that would generate significant offers). Just don't know how Staios got tricked into 2 yrs at $4M, with a MNTC to boot!

 

[Tuna99]

Norris is clutch and he’s going to deliver when it matters most like he always does.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Norris and batherson have to go.
Their attitude/demeanour is no good.

What is wrong with their attitude you don’t like.

 

[HSF]

I agree.

Not a cent over 3 million for Giroux. Give him 2 million in performance bonuses.

Norris, Giroux, Perron, Batherson, Forsberg.

Staios has a significant next few months ahead of him.

If he wants more than 3 I have no problem letting him walk. Having him and Perron making 4 is just nonsensical next year for a team who complains about having no cap space

 

[PlayOn]

Norris is also our second fastest forward and I think our speed down the middle mitigates some of the lack of speed on our wings right now. So whatever they do I hope they focus on this in the off-season because if we lose Norris we absolutely need to add some speed to our forward group.

 

[Icelevel]

Well perron had been a 50-60pt 20 goal scorer pretty consistently over the last few years. It didn’t look like a terrible idea at the time.
Who knows if this is mostly due to the circumstances or more due to his age.

 

[bicboi64]

If he wants more than 3 I have no problem letting him walk. Having him and Perron making 4 is just nonsensical next year for a team who complains about having no cap space

If keep Perron at $4 million and let Giroux walk because we don't want to pay him $4 million, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot. Giroux is declining, but he's still going to score 45-55 points and that's worth his caphit.

 

[HSF]

Well perron had been a 50-60pt 20 goal scorer pretty consistently over the last few years. It didn’t look like a terrible idea at the time.
Who knows if this is mostly due to the circumstances or more due to his age.

anyone who watched Perron last year knew that he was on his last legs. He lost a step and was getting a lot of point on the PP. He doesn't fit because we already have a lineup of guys who would play PP1 before he does

Ottawa needs to have better cap management. I would say the money spent on Perron and Amadio and the assets used to move Joseph were a miss and need to be better. We have to be really careful with not overpaying G. He has also clearly lost a step and probably is not a top 6 guy next year

If keep Perron at $4 million and let Giroux walk because we don't want to pay him $4 million, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot. Giroux is declining, but he's still going to score 45-55 points and that's worth his caphit.

I would def get rid of Perron first. But I don't think it helps us having both those guys making 4mill next year. Their speed is an issue

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Seravelli was on CIH today, the gist was:

- Ottawa wants to move Norris, they’ve been trying. Seems like they would do it now. But cap hit and term is a deterrent for teams.

- Seems like Peterka is unhappy in Buffalo along with a lot of others. He thinks there will be a lot more offer sheets this summer so Buffalo might be pushed into trading him because he doesn’t have to sign his qualifying offer and can then just wait for one.

I wonder if they would have bought Norris out last summer if he cleared. The timing of his injury might have saved him from losing almost his entire remaining contract.

Here is what the buyout would have looked like:

His contract was backloaded, which would have given them a credit. He was also under 26 years old and would have qualified for the more favourable buyout rate. That averages out to about 1.1M per season in cap and 1.45M per season in real dollars.

The reason I bring this up is that I wonder if they would consider retaining on him to move him. Because he no longer qualifies for the rate in the screenshot, a buyout next year costs an average of 2.8M per season for 10 seasons. If they could move him for 1.5M-2.0M retained, and get back an NHL player making 6M or less with less term, would they do that?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

anyone who watched Perron last year knew that he was on his last legs. He lost a step and was getting a lot of point on the PP. He doesn't fit because we already have a lineup of guys who would play PP1 before he does

Ottawa needs to have better cap management. I would say the money spent on Perron and Amadio and the assets used to move Joseph were a miss and need to be better. We have to be really careful with not overpaying G. He has also clearly lost a step and probably is not a top 6 guy next year


I would def get rid of Perron first. But I don't think it helps us having both those guys making 4mill next year. Their speed is an issue

Considering the season Joseph has had, it looks like it might have been wise to get out from under him. 3 goals in 43 games.