Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[PlayOn]

Greig, Pinto, Tkachuk, Formenton, Batherson...hell, Logan Brown is like the textbook definition of boom or bust draft pick. If you look at their draft history, they've tried to play to the percentages, as in, you need to take a lot more shots at defensemen because of how few turn out. So there's a big number of defensemen drafted out of the overall pool of draft selections we've made. Just last year we had 6 draft selections and used 3 of them on D.

I’d also add that in the last three years we’ve used 5 of our top 6 selections on D. I think the Sens scouts could be better but our forward pool sucks primarily because we are relying on 4th round picks to hit. They did mess up their 10th overall pick in 2021 but other than that it’s really scarcity of 1st/2nd rounders used on forwards that is the primary issue.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Palmieri is really just an easy name to throw into the conversation as a cheap, short term solution.

It could be a Jared McCann, Rickard Rackell, Brayden Schenn, Trevor Zegras, Lawson Crouse or Alex Tuch, for a medium term, albeit more expensive solution.

The point is that we should focus on fixing the top 6 and the bottom 6 will take care of itself. There's no purpose in bringing in more experienced depth players if the top of the roster is still anemic due to the lack of offensive options.

established top 6 forwards are very hard to acquire and we have no assets to move for them. One of our prospects needs to take some unforeseen leap or free agency.

We’re not acquiring a top 6 forward unless it’s for a top 6 forward or our first.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Greig, Pinto, Tkachuk, Formenton, Batherson...hell, Logan Brown is like the textbook definition of boom or bust draft pick. If you look at their draft history, they've tried to play to the percentages, as in, you need to take a lot more shots at defensemen because of how few turn out. So there's a big number of defensemen drafted out of the overall pool of draft selections we've made. Just last year we had 6 draft selections and used 3 of them on D.

Okay but you can draft good D do they know this.

You’re saying we use a lot of capital on D and we’ve drafted (since the start of the rebuild) ONE potential top 4 guy lol. ONE. And kleven. And the rest a bunch of guys who seem to not be able to play.

 

[Loach]

Not surprising but the Sens are trying to move JBD according to Garrioch

Time is of the essence for Senators GM Steve Staios as NHL trade deadline nears

Steve Staios, the club’s president of hockey operations and general manager, has to determine if he can find the right fit(s) to add to the roster before the trade deadline set for March 7.

ottawacitizen.com

How many times can you say league executive?

 

[PlayOn]

Okay but you can draft good D do they know this.

You’re saying we use a lot of capital on D and we’ve drafted (since the start of the rebuild) ONE potential top 4 guy lol. ONE. And kleven. And the rest a bunch of guys who seem to not be able to play.

The influx of D has come in the last few years though. We probably won’t know if they got better at it for a few years. Not really disagreeing though, Sens were horrifically bad at drafting dmen for a long time… maybe they still are.

 

[Tuna99]

Brock Boeser is interesting - broke in under Travis Green and played some of his best hockey u def him. Right wing, fits the Sens profile for size and emotion me hockey sense.

Can’t ford to sign him but, but if the Sens get creative I’m sure they could figure something out.

 

[Puikiou]

All of the options you proposed would cost a ton of cap space and/or premium assets, and I completely disagree that improving the bottom of the roster a) won't help and b) isn't necessary if we improve the top of the roster.

I've been banging this drum for half a decade and we have finally started to cultivate depth under Staois, but we still seriously lack depth.

It seems like you think I am saying we shouldn't upgrade the top 6... that's not the case at all. But you just through out a bunch of options that would be almost impossible to fit without sacrificing a key roster player or top asset, at least during the season, and I think that's exactly what we will avoid.

Right here, right now, we can upgrade our bottom 6 without sacrificing anything of significance, and that's what I would do. The chances of us adding to our top 9 in-season are slim to none, imo, and while I am fine with just standing pat, I see no reason not to sacrifice a guy like Pettersson for an actual bottom 6 upgrade with term.

established top 6 forwards are very hard to acquire and we have no assets to move for them. One of our prospects needs to take some unforeseen leap or free agency.

We’re not acquiring a top 6 forward unless it’s for a top 6 forward or our first.

On the contrary. With a competent GM/management group (which, granted Ottawa hasn’t had for a decade+), it’s really not that difficult or expensive to find an average/fringe top 6 winger.

In fact, out of all major positions (top 6 C, #1G, top 4 D, etc.), top 6 winger is probably the most dime a dozen and least valuable one. It just doesn’t feel like it because the culture in Ottawa is to be taken advantage of in trades rather than taking advantage of the market (see most recently: Joseph, Mathieu; Chychrun, Jakob; etc.). Since last year’s trade deadline alone:

Juuso Parssinen + 7th to COL for Ondrej Pavel + 3rd
Kaapo Kakko to SEA for Will Borgen + 3rd + 6th
Philip Tomasino to PIT for a 4th
Patrik Laine + 2nd for Jordan Harris
Ryan McLeod + Tyler Tullio for Matthew Savoie
Robby Fabbri + 4th to ANA for Alexander Gage
Mathieu Joseph + 3rd to STL for future considerations
Reilly Smith to NYR for a 2nd + 5th
Paul Cotter + 3rd to NJD for Alex Holtz + Akira Schmid
Kevin Hayes + 2nd to PIT for future considerations
Alex Texier to STL for a 4th
Andrew Mangiapane to WSH for a 2nd
Ilya Mikheyev + Sam Lafferty + 22nd to CHI for a 4th
Jason Zucker to NSH for a 6th
Evgeny Kuznetsov to CAR for a 3rd
Jack Roslovic to NYR for a 4th
Anthony Duclair + 7th to TBL for Jack Thompson + 3rd
Anthony Beauvillier to NSH for a 5th
Alex Wennberg to NYR for a 2nd + 4th
Vladimir Tarasenko to FLA for a 3rd + 4th
Anthony Mantha to Vegas for a 2nd + 4th
Tomas Tatar to COL for a 5th​

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

On the contrary. With a competent GM/management group (which, granted Ottawa hasn’t had for a decade+), it’s really not that difficult or expensive to find an average/fringe top 6 winger.

In fact, out of all major positions (top 6 C, #1G, top 4 D, etc.), top 6 winger is probably the most dime a dozen and least valuable one. It just doesn’t feel like it because the culture in Ottawa is to be taken advantage of in trades rather than taking advantage of the market (see most recently: Joseph, Mathieu; Chychrun, Jakob; etc.). Since last year’s trade deadline alone:

Juuso Parssinen + 7th to COL for Ondrej Pavel + 3rd
Kaapo Kakko to SEA for Will Borgen + 3rd + 6th
Philip Tomasino to PIT for a 4th
Patrik Laine + 2nd for Jordan Harris
Ryan McLeod + Tyler Tullio for Matthew Savoie
Robby Fabbri + 4th to ANA for Alexander Gage
Mathieu Joseph + 3rd to STL for future considerations
Reilly Smith to NYR for a 2nd + 5th
Paul Cotter + 3rd to NJD for Alex Holtz + Akira Schmid
Kevin Hayes + 2nd to PIT for future considerations
Alex Texier to STL for a 4th
Andrew Mangiapane to WSH for a 2nd
Ilya Mikheyev + Sam Lafferty + 22nd to CHI for a 4th
Jason Zucker to NSH for a 6th
Evgeny Kuznetsov to CAR for a 3rd
Jack Roslovic to NYR for a 4th
Anthony Duclair + 7th to TBL for Jack Thompson + 3rd
Anthony Beauvillier to NSH for a 5th
Alex Wennberg to NYR for a 2nd + 4th
Vladimir Tarasenko to FLA for a 3rd + 4th
Anthony Mantha to Vegas for a 2nd + 4th
Tomas Tatar to COL for a 5th​

Almost all not top 6 wingers and almost all of them would be unaffordable.

 

[aragorn]

When we look at this current team, 9 of the players on this roster have been drafted by Ottawa & their young players are their best players & they have a young team. If we add Ostapchuk & Merilainen two more young players that's 11 players. That seems to be a pretty good drafting record. And Yakemchuk is most likely going to be an NHL player making it 12 players in the current org & maybe Halliday & Montgomery too.

Have they made mistakes? Of course, every team has made mistakes at the draft table in almost every draft, every yr where a better player gets picked after they draft. When another team picks a certain player after Ottawa & that player turns out to be better than Ottawa's player, that's just one of those things that happens all the time. The same has happened for Ottawa, how many teams ahead of Ottawa are pissed off they didn't draft Tkachuk, Stutzle or Sanderson our three top players? How many teams are pissed they didn't draft Batherson when they had several rds to do it? These things happen all the time, if Staois doesn't like the scouting department why hasn't he replaced them? He has had plenty of time to do it.

 

[aragorn]

Okay but you can draft good D do they know this.

You’re saying we use a lot of capital on D and we’ve drafted (since the start of the rebuild) ONE potential top 4 guy lol. ONE. And kleven. And the rest a bunch of guys who seem to not be able to play.

They did draft Yakemchuk who is projected to be a top 4 D.

Brock Boeser is interesting - broke in under Travis Green and played some of his best hockey u def him. Right wing, fits the Sens profile for size and emotion me hockey sense.

Can’t ford to sign him but, but if the Sens get creative I’m sure they could figure something out.

Probably a free agency signing when it won't cost any assets & they have allowed a number of the UFAs to walk freeing up some money.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I think it was a mistake not to bring someone to be the cheif amateur scout vs promoting from within. We need someone capable of evaluating the scouting personnel. Boyd isn't going to replace the guys he's worked with for a long time here and his own competency is questionable.

Sens have no one to really take charge there and make the necessary changes and additions. I don't think Staios has that experience, nor Bowness; I doubt Poulin had hands on management of scouting in Toronto enough to evaluate what they have now. Poulin has more experience on the Pro side from what I understand.

You want to pick a bone on best in class... this is one. We don't have someone that is close to best in class responsible for amateur scouting

Hopefully Rob DiMaio can bring some of that expertise and advise Staios that a shakeup is needed.

 

[PlayOn]

When we look at this current team, 9 of the players on this roster have been drafted by Ottawa & their young players are their best players& they have a young team. If we add Ostapchuk & Merilainen two more young players that's 11 players. That seems to be a pretty good drafting record. And Yakemchuk is most likely going to be an NHL player making it 12 players in the current org & maybe Halliday & Montgomery too.

Have they made mistakes? Of course, every team has made mistakes at the draft table in almost every draft, every yr where a better player gets picked after they draft. When another team picks a certain player after Ottawa & that player turns out to be better than Ottawa's player, that's just one of those things that happens all the time. The same has happened for Ottawa, how many teams ahead of Ottawa are pissed off they didn't draft Tkachuk, Stutzle or Sanderson our three top players? How many teams are pissed they didn't draft Batherson when they had several rds to do it? These things happen all the time, if Staois doesn't like the scouting department why hasn't he replaced them? He has had plenty of time to do it.

Yeah I think our drafting issues are overblown.

IMO they are too stuck on specific prototypes and need to get more creative at the draft table and stop restricting themselves but I don’t think our drafting is bad by any means. It’s just frustrating because they have a decent base and it feels like an area we could do even better in if they made some adjustments.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

On the contrary. With a competent GM/management group (which, granted Ottawa hasn’t had for a decade+), it’s really not that difficult or expensive to find an average/fringe top 6 winger.

In fact, out of all major positions (top 6 C, #1G, top 4 D, etc.), top 6 winger is probably the most dime a dozen and least valuable one. It just doesn’t feel like it because the culture in Ottawa is to be taken advantage of in trades rather than taking advantage of the market (see most recently: Joseph, Mathieu; Chychrun, Jakob; etc.). Since last year’s trade deadline alone:

Juuso Parssinen + 7th to COL for Ondrej Pavel + 3rd
Kaapo Kakko to SEA for Will Borgen + 3rd + 6th
Philip Tomasino to PIT for a 4th
Patrik Laine + 2nd for Jordan Harris
Ryan McLeod + Tyler Tullio for Matthew Savoie
Robby Fabbri + 4th to ANA for Alexander Gage
Mathieu Joseph + 3rd to STL for future considerations
Reilly Smith to NYR for a 2nd + 5th
Paul Cotter + 3rd to NJD for Alex Holtz + Akira Schmid
Kevin Hayes + 2nd to PIT for future considerations
Alex Texier to STL for a 4th
Andrew Mangiapane to WSH for a 2nd
Ilya Mikheyev + Sam Lafferty + 22nd to CHI for a 4th
Jason Zucker to NSH for a 6th
Evgeny Kuznetsov to CAR for a 3rd
Jack Roslovic to NYR for a 4th
Anthony Duclair + 7th to TBL for Jack Thompson + 3rd
Anthony Beauvillier to NSH for a 5th
Alex Wennberg to NYR for a 2nd + 4th
Vladimir Tarasenko to FLA for a 3rd + 4th
Anthony Mantha to Vegas for a 2nd + 4th
Tomas Tatar to COL for a 5th​

My answer to any of these trades for picks is “cap space”. Which we don’t have.

They did draft Yakemchuk who is projected to be a top 4 D.

Probably a free agency signing when it won't cost any assets & they have allowed a number of the UFAs to walk freeing up some money.

But he isn’t one. When and if he becomes one I will add him to the list. Also when and if he becomes one this team might look radically different lol.

 

[Golden_Jet]

But he isn’t one. When and if he becomes one I will add him to the list. Also when and if he becomes one this team might look radically different lol.

You had previously said

You’re saying we use a lot of capital on D and we’ve drafted (since the start of the rebuild) ONE potential top 4 guy lol. ONE. And kleven.

Yakemchuk is a “potential “ top 4 guy.

Sanderson isn’t a potential top 4, he is one.

 

[branch]

They did draft Yakemchuk who is projected to be a top 4 D.

Probably a free agency signing when it won't cost any assets & they have allowed a number of the UFAs to walk freeing up some money.

When Buium was still available

 

[Burrowsaurus]

You had previously said


Yakemchuk is a “potential “ top 4 guy.

Sanderson isn’t a potential top 4, he is one.

You’re right

Okay 2.

1 actual. Still doesn’t look great.

But in the 6 years of rebuild they’ve actually drafted 1 guy who could play top 4 hockey.

I

 

[BankStreetParade]

Okay but you can draft good D do they know this.

You’re saying we use a lot of capital on D and we’ve drafted (since the start of the rebuild) ONE potential top 4 guy lol. ONE. And kleven. And the rest a bunch of guys who seem to not be able to play.

What's the quality of the draft picks and question. And, what were the alternative selections?

2018 1st round picks: 4OA and 26OA
Drafted Tkachuk and JBD. I guess if you wanna split hairs, we could have done marginally better by drafting Sandin instead of JBD. At 4OA, we could have drafted Quinn Hughes instead of Brady.

2019 1st round picks: 19OA
Drafted Lassi Thomson. D drafted in the first round after Thomson: Heinola, Bjornfot and Johnson. Hard to make any sort of argument that we really whiffed here. It was a top heavy draft with almost no quality depth.

2020 1st round picks: 3OA, 5OA, 28OA.
Drafted Stutzle, Sanderson and Grieg. We know the top of the draft so no need to rehash those picks. Which D could we have taken with the Greig selection? Wallinder, Grans and O'Rourke are the 3 D taken before we get to Kleven and Faber.

2021 1st round picks: 10OA
Drafted Tyler Boucher. We know Boucher has not worked out. Which D could we have taken with that pick? Ceulemans (25OA), Lambos (26OA), Mailloux (31OA) or Allan (32OA)?

2022 1st round picks: none

2023 1st round picks: none

2024 1st round picks: 7OA
Too early to pass any kind of definitive judgement.

2018 2nd round picks: 48OA
Drafted Tychonick. Missed on Marchenko (F) and Durzi (D).

2019 2nd round picks: 32OA, 37OA
Drafted Pinto and Sogaard. Pinto pick is solid. Sogaard has not developed as we hoped but is still young by the position's standards. "Notable" names drafted in the 2nd round after Sogaard: Hoglander (40), Nick Robertson (53), Leason (56).

2020 2nd round picks: 33OA, 44OA
Drafted Jarventie and Kleven. Huge misses on Peterka (34) and Faber (45). Apart from those 2 players, no one else who went in the 2nd round has made much of a name for themselves.

2021 2nd round picks: 39OA, 49OA
Drafted Ostapchuk and Roger. It looks like Ostapchuk will end up being a good role player for us with some more development and there is not a single player of note until Stankoven at 47. Roger was a major fail. Knies at 57 and Moser at 60 were misses.

2022, 2023 and 2024 2nd round picks
Too early to say anything of note.

Overall, there were some hits, some misses and a whole lot of nothing to pick from in between. The quality of the drafts that coincided with our rebuilding window have been absolutely dreadful. There should be deserved criticism of missing on Peterka for Jarventie. The rest? I don't know. Feels like a stretch to be especially criticial of the misses.

 

[Puikiou]

Almost all not top 6 wingers and almost all of them would be unaffordable.

Umm don't know... Kakko, Dubois, Laine, Roslovic, Cotter, Tomasino, R. Smith, Mikheyev and Mangiapane (just to name a those) would look quite good playing alongside Stützle and most definitely register as "top 6" forwards for this team.

My answer to any of these trades for picks is “cap space”. Which we don’t have.


But he isn’t one. When and if he becomes one I will add him to the list. Also when and if he becomes one this team might look radically different lol.

We're moving the goal posts here.

Your argument was that it's difficult/expensive (assets wise) to acquire top 6 wingers. I pointed out the fact that (with competent management) it's really not.

Cap space is a completely separate issue and again, competent management would have identified the need for a top 6 winger and put itself in a position to take advantage of the plentiful wingers' market by leaving itself some cap space. Instead, we showered marginal players like Perron and Amadio with millions for their "character".

Even with the lack of cap space (1.66M available today according to Puckpedia), is not an insurmountable hurdle to find a top 6 winger. A money in, money out trade could be pursued (see Dubois, Pierre-Luc). Or we could go after cheaper top 6 options (cap space wise) a la Philip Tomasino or Paul Cotter.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

• Brady Tkachuk (3 years 8.2M, NMC July 1st)
• Josh Norris (5 years 8M)
• 2026 FLA 3rd Round Pick

• Alexis Lafreniere (7 years 7.45M)
• Chris Kreider (2 years 6.5M)*
• Braden Schneider (1 years 2.2M)
• 8M USD Cash (Rangers send Lafreniere to OTT after July 1st to pay his bonus and complete the trade.)
• 2026 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)
• 2027 2nd Round Pick (Upgrades to a 1st if Rangers make the conference final or finish 1st in their division)
• Gabe Perreault or Brennan Othmann (or any one prospect in the Rangers organization).

*Kreider goes to Ottawa if they aren't on his no trade list. If they are, the Rangers send him to a different team and send Ottawa whatever the return is for Kreider.

That's the return for Tkachuk according to fake insiders. Just trying to confirm with fake league executives. Matthew on the Fallon show has pushed things forward. Brady wants to be on Carson Daly by the end of the year.

This could actually work at the TDL since the Rangers accrued a lot of cap space. Except, the cash component wouldn't be possible since it's too far away from July 1st.

It's similar to EK+Bobby to the Golden Knights. We're assuming there is no market for Norris, and for whatever reason Staios is compelled to move on from the liability of that contract despite Norris still being a good player. While it would not be presented that way to the public, taking Norris is part of the return.

Lafreniere will be a hit with all the Canadiens fans here.

As far as why the Rangers do this, they could legitimately pull this off at the TDL and it wouldn't hurt them at all. They would have to go out and find a D as a rental acquisition. Maybe we send them JBD or they go out and get a depth D, but while Schneider has a fantastic trajectory he still is only really used as a #5 for them. Brady+Norris in and Kreider+Lafreniere out is big upgrade leading into the playoffs.

They are basically giving up a probable late 1st+2nd+Schneider and Perrault to turn Lafreniere+Kreider into the most marketable American player in the game right now and his buddy.

 

[PlayOn]

• Brady Tkachuk (3 years 8.2M, NMC July 1st)
• Josh Norris (5 years 8M)
• 2026 FLA 3rd Round Pick

• Alexis Lafreniere (7 years 7.45M)
• Chris Kreider (2 years 6.5M)*
• Braden Schneider (1 years 2.2M)
• 8M USD Cash (Rangers send Lafreniere to OTT after July 1st to pay his bonus and complete the trade.)
• 2026 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)
• 2027 2nd Round Pick (Upgrades to a 1st if Rangers make the conference final or finish 1st in their division)
• Gabe Perreault or Brennan Othmann (or any one prospect in the Rangers organization).

*Kreider goes to Ottawa if they aren't on his no trade list. If they are, the Rangers send him to a different team and send Ottawa whatever the return is for Kreider.

That's the return for Tkachuk according to fake insiders. Just trying to confirm with fake league executives. Matthew on the Fallon show has pushed things forward. Brady wants to be on Carson Daly by the end of the year.

This could actually work at the TDL since the Rangers accrued a lot of cap space. Except, the cash component wouldn't be possible since it's too far away from July 1st.

It's similar to EK+Bobby to the Golden Knights. We're assuming there is no market for Norris, and for whatever reason Staios is compelled to move on from the liability of that contract despite Norris still being a good player. While it would not be presented that way to the public, taking Norris is part of the return.

Lafreniere will be a hit with all the Canadiens fans here.

As far as why the Rangers do this, they could legitimately pull this off at the TDL and it wouldn't hurt them at all. They would have to go out and find a D as a rental acquisition. Maybe we send them JBD or they go out and get a depth D, but while Schneider has a fantastic trajectory he still is only really used as a #5 for them. Brady+Norris in and Kreider+Lafreniere out is big upgrade leading into the playoffs.

They are basically giving up a probable late 1st+2nd+Schneider and Perrault to turn Lafreniere+Kreider into the most marketable American player in the game right now and his buddy.

If we had to trade Tkachuk I would be fine with this deal. I think it makes sense for both sides honestly.

 

[Hale The Villain]

• Brady Tkachuk (3 years 8.2M, NMC July 1st)
• Josh Norris (5 years 8M)
• 2026 FLA 3rd Round Pick

• Alexis Lafreniere (7 years 7.45M)
• Chris Kreider (2 years 6.5M)*
• Braden Schneider (1 years 2.2M)
• 8M USD Cash (Rangers send Lafreniere to OTT after July 1st to pay his bonus and complete the trade.)
• 2026 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)
• 2027 2nd Round Pick (Upgrades to a 1st if Rangers make the conference final or finish 1st in their division)
• Gabe Perreault or Brennan Othmann (or any one prospect in the Rangers organization).

*Kreider goes to Ottawa if they aren't on his no trade list. If they are, the Rangers send him to a different team and send Ottawa whatever the return is for Kreider.

That's the return for Tkachuk according to fake insiders. Just trying to confirm with fake league executives. Matthew on the Fallon show has pushed things forward. Brady wants to be on Carson Daly by the end of the year.

This could actually work at the TDL since the Rangers accrued a lot of cap space. Except, the cash component wouldn't be possible since it's too far away from July 1st.

Lafreniere will be a hit with all the Canadiens fans here.

Don't think it needs to be more complicated than Tkachuk for Lafreniere + other assets.

Rangers really don't need Norris after acquriing Miller. They have him, Zibanejad and Trocheck all signed for multiple years.

Interesting point about Lafreniere's bonus. Didn't realize he gets 8M on July 1st.

If the Rangers paid that bonus he'd only be owed 44.15M for the next 7 years, which works out to about 6.3M per year.

That's definitely more attractive for a team that's likely going to be dealing with an internal budget in coming years.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I think a logical return for Tkachuk if traded to NY would be something like Lafreniere, Cuylle, 2026 1st.

I imagine they'd hate to include Cuylle in the deal, as he's been great for them this year, but you have to give to get and he'd be a solid powerforward replacement at LW to help make up for the loss of Tkachuk, both in terms of goal scoring and physicality.

 

[Puikiou]

• Brady Tkachuk (3 years 8.2M, NMC July 1st)
• Josh Norris (5 years 8M)
• 2026 FLA 3rd Round Pick

• Alexis Lafreniere (7 years 7.45M)
• Chris Kreider (2 years 6.5M)*
• Braden Schneider (1 years 2.2M)
• 8M USD Cash (Rangers send Lafreniere to OTT after July 1st to pay his bonus and complete the trade.)
• 2026 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)
• 2027 2nd Round Pick (Upgrades to a 1st if Rangers make the conference final or finish 1st in their division)
• Gabe Perreault or Brennan Othmann (or any one prospect in the Rangers organization).

*Kreider goes to Ottawa if they aren't on his no trade list. If they are, the Rangers send him to a different team and send Ottawa whatever the return is for Kreider.

That's the return for Tkachuk according to fake insiders. Just trying to confirm with fake league executives. Matthew on the Fallon show has pushed things forward. Brady wants to be on Carson Daly by the end of the year.

This could actually work at the TDL since the Rangers accrued a lot of cap space. Except, the cash component wouldn't be possible since it's too far away from July 1st.

It's similar to EK+Bobby to the Golden Knights. We're assuming there is no market for Norris, and for whatever reason Staios is compelled to move on from the liability of that contract despite Norris still being a good player. While it would not be presented that way to the public, taking Norris is part of the return.

Lafreniere will be a hit with all the Canadiens fans here.

As far as why the Rangers do this, they could legitimately pull this off at the TDL and it wouldn't hurt them at all. They would have to go out and find a D as a rental acquisition. Maybe we send them JBD or they go out and get a depth D, but while Schneider has a fantastic trajectory he still is only really used as a #5 for them. Brady+Norris in and Kreider+Lafreniere out is big upgrade leading into the playoffs.

They are basically giving up a probable late 1st+2nd+Schneider and Perrault to turn Lafreniere+Kreider into the most marketable American player in the game right now and his buddy.

This is actually very good and quite balanced for both teams. Great job @frightenedinmatenum2

Just one change: the 2026 1st would absolutely have to be unprotected, since it's 2 drafts away and we're trading our captain/face of the franchise to a conference rival.

Also, Perreault over Othman without a contest. The former is the smartest playmaking prospect in the league and would replace Giroux wonderfully. Again, great job!

2026-2027

Lafrenière - Stützle - Perreault
Kreider - Pinto - Batherson
Halliday - Greig - Giroux (3.5M)
Amadio - Ostapchuk - Perron
Gregor/Cousins

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Schneider
Matinpalo/Yakemchuk

Merilainen
Ullmark​

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Umm don't know... Kakko, Dubois, Laine, Roslovic, Cotter, Tomasino, R. Smith, Mikheyev and Mangiapane (just to name a those) would look quite good playing alongside Stützle and most definitely register as "top 6" forwards for this team.


We're moving the goal posts here.

Your argument was that it's difficult/expensive (assets wise) to acquire top 6 wingers. I pointed out the fact that (with competent management) it's really not.

Cap space is a completely separate issue and again, competent management would have identified the need for a top 6 winger and put itself in a position to take advantage of the plentiful wingers' market by leaving itself some cap space. Instead, we showered marginal players like Perron and Amadio with millions for their "character".

Even with the lack of cap space (1.66M available today according to Puckpedia), is not an insurmountable hurdle to find a top 6 winger. A money in, money out trade could be pursued (see Dubois, Pierre-Luc). Or we could go after cheaper top 6 options (cap space wise) a la Philip Tomasino or Paul Cotter.

No goal posts have been moved. You want to acquire a top 6 winger. I said every difficult. Likely to be done in the free agency (which I think we will do).

You listed off a bunch of guys that were had for draft picks. Again not really possible at this moment.