Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[PlayOn]

Greig, Pinto, Tkachuk, Formenton, Batherson...hell, Logan Brown is like the textbook definition of boom or bust draft pick. If you look at their draft history, they've tried to play to the percentages, as in, you need to take a lot more shots at defensemen because of how few turn out. So there's a big number of defensemen drafted out of the overall pool of draft selections we've made. Just last year we had 6 draft selections and used 3 of them on D.

I’d also add that in the last three years we’ve used 5 of our top 6 selections on D. I think the Sens scouts could be better but our forward pool sucks primarily because we are relying on 4th round picks to hit. They did mess up their 10th overall pick in 2021 but other than that it’s really scarcity of 1st/2nd rounders used on forwards that is the primary issue.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Palmieri is really just an easy name to throw into the conversation as a cheap, short term solution.

It could be a Jared McCann, Rickard Rackell, Brayden Schenn, Trevor Zegras, Lawson Crouse or Alex Tuch, for a medium term, albeit more expensive solution.

The point is that we should focus on fixing the top 6 and the bottom 6 will take care of itself. There's no purpose in bringing in more experienced depth players if the top of the roster is still anemic due to the lack of offensive options.

established top 6 forwards are very hard to acquire and we have no assets to move for them. One of our prospects needs to take some unforeseen leap or free agency.

We’re not acquiring a top 6 forward unless it’s for a top 6 forward or our first.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Greig, Pinto, Tkachuk, Formenton, Batherson...hell, Logan Brown is like the textbook definition of boom or bust draft pick. If you look at their draft history, they've tried to play to the percentages, as in, you need to take a lot more shots at defensemen because of how few turn out. So there's a big number of defensemen drafted out of the overall pool of draft selections we've made. Just last year we had 6 draft selections and used 3 of them on D.

Okay but you can draft good D do they know this.

You’re saying we use a lot of capital on D and we’ve drafted (since the start of the rebuild) ONE potential top 4 guy lol. ONE. And kleven. And the rest a bunch of guys who seem to not be able to play.

 

[Loach]

Not surprising but the Sens are trying to move JBD according to Garrioch

Time is of the essence for Senators GM Steve Staios as NHL trade deadline nears

Steve Staios, the club’s president of hockey operations and general manager, has to determine if he can find the right fit(s) to add to the roster before the trade deadline set for March 7.

ottawacitizen.com

How many times can you say league executive?

 

[PlayOn]

Okay but you can draft good D do they know this.

You’re saying we use a lot of capital on D and we’ve drafted (since the start of the rebuild) ONE potential top 4 guy lol. ONE. And kleven. And the rest a bunch of guys who seem to not be able to play.

The influx of D has come in the last few years though. We probably won’t know if they got better at it for a few years. Not really disagreeing though, Sens were horrifically bad at drafting dmen for a long time… maybe they still are.

 

[Tuna99]

Brock Boeser is interesting - broke in under Travis Green and played some of his best hockey u def him. Right wing, fits the Sens profile for size and emotion me hockey sense.

Can’t ford to sign him but, but if the Sens get creative I’m sure they could figure something out.

 

[Puikiou]

All of the options you proposed would cost a ton of cap space and/or premium assets, and I completely disagree that improving the bottom of the roster a) won't help and b) isn't necessary if we improve the top of the roster.

I've been banging this drum for half a decade and we have finally started to cultivate depth under Staois, but we still seriously lack depth.

It seems like you think I am saying we shouldn't upgrade the top 6... that's not the case at all. But you just through out a bunch of options that would be almost impossible to fit without sacrificing a key roster player or top asset, at least during the season, and I think that's exactly what we will avoid.

Right here, right now, we can upgrade our bottom 6 without sacrificing anything of significance, and that's what I would do. The chances of us adding to our top 9 in-season are slim to none, imo, and while I am fine with just standing pat, I see no reason not to sacrifice a guy like Pettersson for an actual bottom 6 upgrade with term.

established top 6 forwards are very hard to acquire and we have no assets to move for them. One of our prospects needs to take some unforeseen leap or free agency.

We’re not acquiring a top 6 forward unless it’s for a top 6 forward or our first.

On the contrary. With a competent GM/management group (which, granted Ottawa hasn’t had for a decade+), it’s really not that difficult or expensive to find an average/fringe top 6 winger.

In fact, out of all major positions (top 6 C, #1G, top 4 D, etc.), top 6 winger is probably the most dime a dozen and least valuable one. It just doesn’t feel like it because the culture in Ottawa is to be taken advantage of in trades rather than taking advantage of the market (see most recently: Joseph, Mathieu; Chychrun, Jakob; etc.). Since last year’s trade deadline alone:

Juuso Parssinen + 7th to COL for Ondrej Pavel + 3rd
Kaapo Kakko to SEA for Will Borgen + 3rd + 6th
Philip Tomasino to PIT for a 4th
Patrik Laine + 2nd for Jordan Harris
Ryan McLeod + Tyler Tullio for Matthew Savoie
Robby Fabbri + 4th to ANA for Alexander Gage
Mathieu Joseph + 3rd to STL for future considerations
Reilly Smith to NYR for a 2nd + 5th
Paul Cotter + 3rd to NJD for Alex Holtz + Akira Schmid
Kevin Hayes + 2nd to PIT for future considerations
Alex Texier to STL for a 4th
Andrew Mangiapane to WSH for a 2nd
Ilya Mikheyev + Sam Lafferty + 22nd to CHI for a 4th
Jason Zucker to NSH for a 6th
Evgeny Kuznetsov to CAR for a 3rd
Jack Roslovic to NYR for a 4th
Anthony Duclair + 7th to TBL for Jack Thompson + 3rd
Anthony Beauvillier to NSH for a 5th
Alex Wennberg to NYR for a 2nd + 4th
Vladimir Tarasenko to FLA for a 3rd + 4th
Anthony Mantha to Vegas for a 2nd + 4th
Tomas Tatar to COL for a 5th​

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

On the contrary. With a competent GM/management group (which, granted Ottawa hasn’t had for a decade+), it’s really not that difficult or expensive to find an average/fringe top 6 winger.

In fact, out of all major positions (top 6 C, #1G, top 4 D, etc.), top 6 winger is probably the most dime a dozen and least valuable one. It just doesn’t feel like it because the culture in Ottawa is to be taken advantage of in trades rather than taking advantage of the market (see most recently: Joseph, Mathieu; Chychrun, Jakob; etc.). Since last year’s trade deadline alone:

Juuso Parssinen + 7th to COL for Ondrej Pavel + 3rd
Kaapo Kakko to SEA for Will Borgen + 3rd + 6th
Philip Tomasino to PIT for a 4th
Patrik Laine + 2nd for Jordan Harris
Ryan McLeod + Tyler Tullio for Matthew Savoie
Robby Fabbri + 4th to ANA for Alexander Gage
Mathieu Joseph + 3rd to STL for future considerations
Reilly Smith to NYR for a 2nd + 5th
Paul Cotter + 3rd to NJD for Alex Holtz + Akira Schmid
Kevin Hayes + 2nd to PIT for future considerations
Alex Texier to STL for a 4th
Andrew Mangiapane to WSH for a 2nd
Ilya Mikheyev + Sam Lafferty + 22nd to CHI for a 4th
Jason Zucker to NSH for a 6th
Evgeny Kuznetsov to CAR for a 3rd
Jack Roslovic to NYR for a 4th
Anthony Duclair + 7th to TBL for Jack Thompson + 3rd
Anthony Beauvillier to NSH for a 5th
Alex Wennberg to NYR for a 2nd + 4th
Vladimir Tarasenko to FLA for a 3rd + 4th
Anthony Mantha to Vegas for a 2nd + 4th
Tomas Tatar to COL for a 5th​

Almost all not top 6 wingers and almost all of them would be unaffordable.

 

[aragorn]

When we look at this current team, 9 of the players on this roster have been drafted by Ottawa & their young players are their best players & they have a young team. If we add Ostapchuk & Merilainen two more young players that's 11 players. That seems to be a pretty good drafting record. And Yakemchuk is most likely going to be an NHL player making it 12 players in the current org & maybe Halliday & Montgomery too.

Have they made mistakes? Of course, every team has made mistakes at the draft table in almost every draft, every yr where a better player gets picked after they draft. When another team picks a certain player after Ottawa & that player turns out to be better than Ottawa's player, that's just one of those things that happens all the time. The same has happened for Ottawa, how many teams ahead of Ottawa are pissed off they didn't draft Tkachuk, Stutzle or Sanderson our three top players? How many teams are pissed they didn't draft Batherson when they had several rds to do it? These things happen all the time, if Staois doesn't like the scouting department why hasn't he replaced them? He has had plenty of time to do it.

 

[aragorn]

Okay but you can draft good D do they know this.

You’re saying we use a lot of capital on D and we’ve drafted (since the start of the rebuild) ONE potential top 4 guy lol. ONE. And kleven. And the rest a bunch of guys who seem to not be able to play.

They did draft Yakemchuk who is projected to be a top 4 D.

Brock Boeser is interesting - broke in under Travis Green and played some of his best hockey u def him. Right wing, fits the Sens profile for size and emotion me hockey sense.

Can’t ford to sign him but, but if the Sens get creative I’m sure they could figure something out.

Probably a free agency signing when it won't cost any assets & they have allowed a number of the UFAs to walk freeing up some money.