Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Senator Stanley]

When do you think this trade has to occur:

1. This season before the deadline
2. At this year’s trade deadline
3. This summer.
4. Maybe even beyond this summer.
5. Either alternative #1 or #2, but basically as fast as possible.

I would be very surprised if Norris is traded during this season. If it's going to happen, it strikes me as a summer trade.

 

[NinjaSens]

In a trade scenario where the Sens would acquire Karlsson, I have to assume Jensen would be available for trade. What could he fetch? Having both appears redundant.

 

[Loach]

In a trade scenario where the Sens would acquire Karlsson, I have to assume Jensen would be available for trade. What could he fetch? Having both appears redundant.

Nooooooo way. It would be Zub before Jensen by a mile....by 10 miles. What kind of Ninja are you anyway? A DorionNinja?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

In a trade scenario where the Sens would acquire Karlsson, I have to assume Jensen would be available for trade. What could he fetch? Having both appears redundant.

I don't think so.

Lets you have defensive depth + you are able to keep guys fresh + protects against injuries.

The thing about having a good d-pair is that they can make forward lines good too.

So theoretically with 3 1st pair D's we have one out all the time making our forwards better.

Gaudette-Ostapchuck-Higmore? meh.

Gaudette-Ostapchuck- Highnmore + Karlsson, Chabot, Sanderson? Things can happen.

Nooooooo way. It would be Zub before Jensen by a mile....by 10 miles. What kind of Ninja are you anyway? A DorionNinja?

no way lol

Zub >> Jensen

even with me being biased.

Zuub is better, younger, and longer contract.

 

[Loach]

I don't think so.

Lets you have defensive depth + you are able to keep guys fresh + protects against injuries.

The thing about having a good d-pair is that they can make forward lines good too.

So theoretically with 3 1st pair D's we have one out all the time making our forwards better.

Gaudette-Ostapchuck-Higmore? meh.

Gaudette-Ostapchuck- Highnmore + Karlsson, Chabot, Sanderson? Things can happen.



no way lol

Zub >> Jensen

even with me being biased.

Zuub is better, younger, and longer contract.

....he's younger and only plays half a season.

 

[Hale The Villain]

ROR wanted to sign in NSH and I think Trotz would only trade him to a place he actively wants to go to similar to how he did with McDonagh. Can't imagine ROR would want to come to Ottawa but if he did, that would be friggin awesome. We'd have to take back other cap from NSH though (would love Lauzon or LSchenn just for more hits from the blue line lol)

He should have added a NTC to his contract if he wanted to choose his destination. McDonagh had a full NTC so he was allowed to dictate his return to Tampa.

Would be extremely strange for there to exist some unwritten agreement between ROR and the Preds to only trade him to his preferred destination. That's literally what a NTC is for.

It's not like he's been a Predator for his whole career. Only been there a little over 1.5 years now.

 

[ottawagm]

Penguins aren't retaining half of EK and then taking on Norris while giving us Rakell. Rakell can get them a 1st and A/B prospect. A 3rd team has to get involve an we don't exactly have assets that are valuable (JBD, Boucher, Ostapchuk, Halliday, etc.,) to Pitts or another team that would retain on EK

Karlsson has 0 value if he will only waive for Ottawa. Maybe PIT doesn't take Norris directly and this is a 3 way trade, but value is probably close.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Where is this OTT/VAN Norris rumour coming from?

The frightened2 poster I guess, as that’s the only one pushing for it, not seeing any fit with them.

 

[bicboi64]

He should have added a NTC to his contract if he wanted to choose his destination. McDonagh had a full NTC so he was allowed to dictate his return to Tampa.

Would be extremely strange for there to exist some unwritten agreement between ROR and the Preds to only trade him to his preferred destination. That's literally what a NTC is for.

It's not like he's been a Predator for his whole career. Only been there a little over 1.5 years now.

I don't disagree with any of that. I just think Trotz is the kinda gm that would have that type of unwritten guiding principle of some sort.

In a trade scenario where the Sens would acquire Karlsson, I have to assume Jensen would be available for trade. What could he fetch? Having both appears redundant.

If we have them both, I'd keep them. One of Zub, Jensen or EK will inevitably get hurt given our luck. Let's us have a guy like Matinpalo step up or in a year or two, it could be Yakemchuk. Unless someone is overpaying for Zub or Jensen, run with all 3 so you can have a play driving defender (Sandy, Chabot, or EK) on each pairing.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

With the Phaneuf deal we reduced actually dollars out the door which was a mandate.

I'm sure. I think it's still fair to say though, it was trading today's problems for tomorrow's problems, just like the Zaitsev deal, although that one made a lot less sense. I've never cared much to separate the destruction from Moe and Curly.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

In a trade scenario where the Sens would acquire Karlsson, I have to assume Jensen would be available for trade. What could he fetch? Having both appears redundant.

Redundant? LOL. We’ve finally stabilized our defense and you want to trade one of the key elements that provided that stability?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

When do you think this trade has to occur:

1. This season before the deadline
2. At this year’s trade deadline
3. This summer.
4. Maybe even beyond this summer.
5. Either alternative #1 or #2, but basically as fast as possible.

In the context of the post, what would people optimistically expect for Norris from Vancouver if both teams were talking, and if the Senators (for whatever reason) decided they wanted to do it between now and the TDL.

 

[Ouroboros]

He should have added a NTC to his contract if he wanted to choose his destination. McDonagh had a full NTC so he was allowed to dictate his return to Tampa.

Would be extremely strange for there to exist some unwritten agreement between ROR and the Preds to only trade him to his preferred destination. That's literally what a NTC is for.

It's not like he's been a Predator for his whole career. Only been there a little over 1.5 years now.

Friedman reported that the Preds are treating him as though he has full trade protection.

Predators' O'Reilly to be treated as if he has no-trade protection

"However, they are going to at least consider it under two conditions. Number one: The offer has got to be something that really excites them ... and number two: It has to be something O'Reilly would agree to."

"Here's what I understand the Predators are telling teams. They are saying, 'he may not have protection language in his contract, but he is being treated as if he has a no-move clause,'" Friedman relayed.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Friedman reported that the Preds are treating him as though he has full trade protection.

Predators' O'Reilly to be treated as if he has no-trade protection

Trotz is completely in over his head as a GM, which should surprise no one since he's a head coach that was gifted the job.

O'Reilly didn't negotiate himself a NTC and has been in Nashville for less than 2 years, yet Trotz is willingly giving up his leverage and handicapping his team's ability to get maximum trade value because he likes O'Reilly.

That's crazy.

 

[ottawagm]

Where is this OTT/VAN Norris rumour coming from?

Makes sense to try to trade Norris to a team he would want to go to, like VAN to be with Hughes, to keep Brady happy, but only if it helps the team.

 

[PlayersLtd]

In the context of the post, what would people optimistically expect for Norris from Vancouver if both teams were talking, and if the Senators (for whatever reason) decided they wanted to do it between now and the TDL.

It isn't happening but Conor Garland is the only player that could move the needle. Would take more than just that coming back but he is a top 6 winger, he fits our identity and he's the type of player that sparks chemistry wherever he is slotted. That said, he isn't the goal scorer Stu needs so he would go on Pinto's wing, which could work. Batherson Pinto Garland

But overall we are bad trade partners. Both teams have the same contention window and both teams will want quality for quality and won't value futures very much. An overpayment involving Garland is the only thing SS should listen to and even then I wouldn't advocate for it because we should keep our C depth and goal scoring. Only entertain if you think our lineup is flawed, which I don't.

Other than that it's Petersson but we shouldn't go near that, too much risk and Van would be crazy to try to build around Norris anyway.

 

[Boud]

In the context of the post, what would people optimistically expect for Norris from Vancouver if both teams were talking, and if the Senators (for whatever reason) decided they wanted to do it between now and the TDL.

I think Vancouver is not the most likely team here.

I would think a team like Utah would have a lot of interest along with Seattle, amongst others. They have a ton of cap space and need centers … More than Vancouver.

I think something that could be on the table would be something like

Lawson Crouse
Jack Mcbain

For

Josh Norris

or maybe

Matias Maccelli
Alex Kerfoot

For

Josh Norris


Crouse and Maccelli have been scratched this year (Maccelli more than Crouse) and both have had bad seasons. Crouse is typically a 40 point guy and has 12 points on the season but he’s the type of player I could see Staios being interested in. He has 2 more years after this one at 4.3M before he turns UFA.

Maccelli is a good playmaker and could be a good fit with Stutzle. He has 2 more years at 3.4M before he turns RFA. Clearly out of favour with their coaching staff.

I don’t think a deal is happening before the offseason if it happens but that’s what I would expect.a change of scenery type trade with guys that would fit on this roster. I still think the best option is to keep Norris and if you want to create cap flexibility just send Perron somehwere with a sweetener.

Utah is currently running Kerfoot/Hayton/Mcbain at center. Norris would be a massive upgrade and great fit with Keller and Schmaltz. Nowhere you can acquire a young top 6 center for that price. Norris has a very decent buyout option too if it really doesn’t work out.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Redundant? LOL. We’ve finally stabilized our defense and you want to trade one of the key elements that provided that stability?

I am not sure why people want Karlsson back. I love Karlsson and have a jersey to prove it. But he isn't the Karlsson we used to know. He's far worse defensively and doesn't provide enough offensively to make up for that. He can retire in Ottawa if he likes. Otherwise I am not interested in having him back on the team.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

zero chance ottawa is going after Hoglander due to size imo

i think any potential norris deal would have been centered around Pettersson/JT Miller.

Can't see us trading for Boeser in a norris deal. Boeser is a pure rental who probably gets some picks back

Due to size and also due to making a lot of money and not being that great

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I am not sure why people want Karlsson back. I love Karlsson and have a jersey to prove it. But he isn't the Karlsson we used to know. He's far worse defensively and doesn't provide enough offensively to make up for that. He can retire in Ottawa if he likes. Otherwise I am not interested in having him back on the team.

You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I am not sure why people want Karlsson back. I love Karlsson and have a jersey to prove it. But he isn't the Karlsson we used to know. He's far worse defensively and doesn't provide enough offensively to make up for that. He can retire in Ottawa if he likes. Otherwise I am not interested in having him back on the team.

I agree. Unless we get him for pennies on the dollar.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Obligatory photoshopped picture of the player in his new teams jersey.


Erik Karlsson @ 6.5M
Noel Acciari @ 2M


Josh Norris @ 8M
JBD @ 805k


1st++ From VAN (Boeser trade return)*
Hoglander (Cap dump to subsidize Norris)
Soucy (Cap dump to subsidize Norris)

*Boeser won't re-sign in Vancouver. Prior to this trade, Vancouver trades Boeser to a contender for a 1st++

​

1. Pittsburgh does not want Norris for Karlsson, they want futures for Karlsson.
2. Pittsburgh needs to both retain and take cap dumps to get a late 1st for Karlsson.
3. Vancouver wants Norris, but only if we retain or take back bad contracts.
4. If we are taking back negative value contracts to move Norris, we would rather take back Karlsson's @ 6.5M than Soucy+Hoglander+late 1st.
5. We will assume Boeser won't re-sign in Vancouver and they trade him prior to this trade to get a late 1st, which they will flip for Norris The same way they flipped their NYR 1st to Pittsburgh for Pettersson.
6. We will assume there is no real trade market for Soucy, and if his options are to go to an American team where top minutes will be available for him vs staying in VAN where it isn't working, he will choose to waive to hang out with Crosby, even in a rebuild.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Obligatory photoshopped picture of the player in his new teams jersey.


Erik Karlsson @ 6.5M
Noel Acciari @ 2M


Josh Norris @ 8M
JBD @ 805k


1st++ From VAN (Boeser trade return)*
Hoglander (Cap dump to subsidize Norris)
Soucy (Cap dump to subsidize Norris)

*Boeser won't re-sign in Vancouver. Prior to this trade, Vancouver trades Boeser to a contender for a 1st++

​

1. Pittsburgh does not want Norris for Karlsson, they want futures for Karlsson.
2. Pittsburgh needs to both retain and take cap dumps to get a late 1st for Karlsson.
3. Vancouver wants Norris, but only if we retain or take back bad contracts.
4. If we are taking back negative value contracts to move Norris, we would rather take back Karlsson's @ 6.5M than Soucy+Hoglander+late 1st.
5. We will assume Boeser won't re-sign in Vancouver and they trade him prior to this trade to get a late 1st, which they will flip for Norris The same way they flipped their NYR 1st to Pittsburgh for Pettersson.
6. We will assume there is no real trade market for Soucy, and if his options are to go to an American team where top minutes will be available for him vs staying in VAN where it isn't working, he will choose to waive to hang out with Crosby, even in a rebuild.

Ottawa passes easily,

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Ottawa passes easily,

Normally I would agree, but after photoshopping Karlsson in a Sens jersey, it just looks right.

 

[Good in Osgoode]

Obligatory photoshopped picture of the player in his new teams jersey.


Erik Karlsson @ 6.5M
Noel Acciari @ 2M


Josh Norris @ 8M
JBD @ 805k


1st++ From VAN (Boeser trade return)*
Hoglander (Cap dump to subsidize Norris)
Soucy (Cap dump to subsidize Norris)

*Boeser won't re-sign in Vancouver. Prior to this trade, Vancouver trades Boeser to a contender for a 1st++

​

1. Pittsburgh does not want Norris for Karlsson, they want futures for Karlsson.
2. Pittsburgh needs to both retain and take cap dumps to get a late 1st for Karlsson.
3. Vancouver wants Norris, but only if we retain or take back bad contracts.
4. If we are taking back negative value contracts to move Norris, we would rather take back Karlsson's @ 6.5M than Soucy+Hoglander+late 1st.
5. We will assume Boeser won't re-sign in Vancouver and they trade him prior to this trade to get a late 1st, which they will flip for Norris The same way they flipped their NYR 1st to Pittsburgh for Pettersson.
6. We will assume there is no real trade market for Soucy, and if his options are to go to an American team where top minutes will be available for him vs staying in VAN where it isn't working, he will choose to waive to hang out with Crosby, even in a rebuild.

If we could somehow upgrade Acciari to a top-6 winger like say, Bunting, I don't mind this idea.
I do think Staois is trying to get away from the Norris contract and at this point a year ago, that Norris contract had big-time negative value.

I think you have to try and get away from that contract soon before he gets another significant injury. I am sorry to say but it feels like it is just a matter of time. I like Norris as a plyer. I don't really want to trade him but feel like it needs to happen to give us a bit of cap space and avoid the injury risk.

As for Karlsson, it is an intriguing idea to say the least.
The guy is just one year removed from a 101-point season on a terrible team.
I don't think he has that kind of hockey still left in him and that season was just an outlier but I do think he brings that swaggy attitude that could help bring this team to the next level. I think he wants to finish his career here and I think a reunion with Alfie would also give him a little extra bump in his play.
Pitt (or someone else) would definitely need to retain a bunch of his contract to make it work.