Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Golden_Jet]

Where's the GDT? Looks like Hogberg is starting tonight vs the Isles

When did Sens get him back?

Edit: ahhh you mean starting for the Isles.

 

[Senscore]

Where's the GDT? Looks like Hogberg is starting tonight vs the Isles

If we can't beat him it's our own fault

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I know Pagnotta is full of shit but Rasmus Andersson would completely transform this team. He would be expensive to acquire though and unfortunately Dumb Dumb Dorion cost us a first round pick because he didn't know how to read.

I've wanted him forever.

I agree he'd transform this team completely.

Sanderson-Andersson
Chabot-Jensen
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I think that back-end could be as good as any. I see Andersson having a Lindholm and Ekholm type resurrection here.

If we can't beat him it's our own fault

Truly. We lost against Isles last game cause of Sorokin's tremendous game. This increases our chances to be predicted to win.

 

[Maraz]

Where's the GDT? Looks like Hogberg is starting tonight vs the Isles

It means he instantly turns to prime '98 Hasek for one game right?

 

[Crosside]

Where's the GDT? Looks like Hogberg is starting tonight vs the Isles

And Leevi on the starter end at morning skate

 

[Golden_Jet]

I've wanted him forever.

I agree he'd transform this team completely.

Sanderson-Andersson
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I think that back-end could be as good as any. I see Andersson having a Lindholm and Ekholm type resurrection here.



Truly. We lost against Isles last game cause of Sorokin's tremendous game. This increases our chances to be predicted to win.

What did the Islanders have, about 12 shots on net that game.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

What did the Islanders have, about 12 shots on net that game.

Oh yea, I forgot Forsberg let in an absolutely brutal GWG goal lmaoooooooo i think even the first guy was completely off his angle.

We should definitely with this if they play like we have. Handily too.

 

[Xspyrit]

This team does not need Brannstrom geez, why would they want a small soft defencemen who constantly gets owned in his own end. They are playing well they don't need him, they have plenty of better depth.

Hamonic is the type that constantly gets owned in his own end, not Brannstrom. Yes there’s physical play but there is a lot more than that in hockey. Puck recovery and puck movement is more important than physical play. You need the right mix of players.

Of course, if you have the luxury to have quick puck movers with size (Chabot, Sanderson) you go for them but these guys are expensive and don’t grow on trees. Sometimes you need a guy like Brannstrom for your 3rd pair, which complements a guy like Kleven much better than a Hamonic or even a JBD

That said, since Zub is back, and with Matinpalo and maybe even Guenette, I don’t think we need Brannstrom back much anymore.

I would want to add a Top-6 forward though

 

[aragorn]

Hamonic is the type that constantly gets owned in his own end, not Brannstrom. Yes there’s physical play but there is a lot more than that in hockey. Puck recovery and puck movement is more important than physical play. You need the right mix of players.

Of course, if you have the luxury to have quick puck movers with size (Chabot, Sanderson) you go for them but these guys are expensive and don’t grow on trees. Sometimes you need a guy like Brannstrom for your 3rd pair, which complements a guy like Kleven much better than a Hamonic or even a JBD

That said, since Zub is back, and with Matinpalo and maybe even Guenette, I don’t think we need Brannstrom back much anymore.

I would want to add a Top-6 forward though

Hamonic will be gone at the end of the season & JBD led this team in blocked shots last season, he is much better defensively than Brannstrom who is extremely weak defensively & got owned many times. Brannstrom just went through waivers & not a single team out of 31 teams picked him up for a reason. He is also a left shot & sucked when put into the right spot.

I expect that Yakemchuk will likely be Keven's partner next yr & they have two better options than Brannstrom in Belleville at RD. At least we agree on the team needing a top six forward, that's progress.

 

[bicboi64]

I’m obviously crazy but I’d like to see Perron play before calling it a terrible signing. It’s not just you, it’s almost everyone judging the player without seeing him with this group.

You're not crazy, just optimistic about him.

I'd love to eat some crow regarding him but don't have faith in him producing like a top 6 forward relative to his caphit.

I'd prefer only one aging vet forward on the roster (Giroux).

Who knows though, maybe Perron comes clutch as we make our final push for the playoff spot.

 

[Alex1234]

And Leevi on the starter end at morning skate

Both confirmed

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[bicboi64]

I'd take a chance on Klingberg. Relying on Hamonic and our AHL depth guys isn't the most sustainable.

Klingberg has declined though after some hip surgery, but hey a puck moving vet is a fair risk to take considering our injuries lol

Rasmus Andersson would be a godsend but can't imagine we have the assets to make it work.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'd take a chance on Klingberg. Relying on Hamonic and our AHL depth guys isn't the most sustainable.

Klingberg has declined though after some hip surgery, but hey a puck moving vet is a fair risk to take considering our injuries lol

Rasmus Andersson would be a godsend but can't imagine we have the assets to make it work.

Ya so would I. Seems like they need an offensive specialist to help make up for the lack of offense back there. Worth a try if he's interested.

I really like Andersson, but the contract makes me nervous. Only has this year and next left, but can't extend him before acquisition. That's Dorion type territory that could blow up on them. I'd prefer Weegar since he's locked in.

 

[TheNewEra]

I'd take a chance on Klingberg. Relying on Hamonic and our AHL depth guys isn't the most sustainable.

Klingberg has declined though after some hip surgery, but hey a puck moving vet is a fair risk to take considering our injuries lol

Rasmus Andersson would be a godsend but can't imagine we have the assets to make it work.

signing klingberg to be a #7 wouldnt hurt, he either adds to the team or gets buried

that being said if he has an issue of going to a small town ahl team then the leafs might be the best option, even if buried he will get to stay in toronto

 

[Tragedy]

I'd take a chance on Klingberg. Relying on Hamonic and our AHL depth guys isn't the most sustainable.

Klingberg has declined though after some hip surgery, but hey a puck moving vet is a fair risk to take considering our injuries lol

Rasmus Andersson would be a godsend but can't imagine we have the assets to make it work.

? He hasn't played since the surgery on his hip

 

[Masterplan]

? He hasn't played since the surgery on his hip

The decline doesn't get any steeper then that...

 

[bicboi64]

? He hasn't played since the surgery on his hip

Sorry meant to say, he's probably declined due to his surgery. Not that he was looking too good the season before it. Maybe he rebounds if he's healthy.

 

[Cosmix]

I’m obviously crazy but I’d like to see Perron play before calling it a terrible signing. It’s not just you, it’s almost everyone judging the player without seeing him with this group.


lol. Boeser isn’t coming to Ottawa for 7.5M.

Could add another $0.750 from Forsberg to offer $8.25M or more if the salary cap goes up.

 

[GCK]

You're not crazy, just optimistic about him.

I'd love to eat some crow regarding him but don't have faith in him producing like a top 6 forward relative to his caphit.

I'd prefer only one aging vet forward on the roster (Giroux).

Who knows though, maybe Perron comes clutch as we make our final push for the playoff spot.

I’m not optimistic or pessimistic but I like to actually see the player for a bit before forming an opinion. His caphit is that of a middle 6 forward.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

-Ville Husso (Waiver Exempt) @ 1.1875M

Why Ottawa Makes The Trade:
There are very few goalies available. It is a seller's market. Ottawa gets out of Sogaard's 1-way contract next year. They add a (temporarily) waiver exempt goalie to help the AHL team and act as an option to backup Merilainen in the NHL instead of Forsberg. For now, Husso can move up and down through the NHL and AHL, which would be an important aspect of this trade.


-Mads Sogaard
-Retention #1 on Husso

Why Detroit Makes The Trade:
Burying Husso costs Detroit 3.6M in dead cap. Retaining half on him only costs them 2.375M. So while they help a division rival, it is justified by gaining 1.375M that they can bank towards the trade deadline. Husso has not played well in the NHL this season and the Senators already have Merilainen playing well, so the downside for Detroit is not as much as you would think for helping a division rival.

They receive Sogaard, who at this point has very little value, but was once a high end goalie prospect. You could argue that taking Sogaard's 1-way deal next year is a consolation that Detroit has to make for Ottawa, considering Ottawa is taking 2.375M of Husso's contract from them (and then paying a third party to eat half of it).


-OTT 2027 4th Round Pick
-Retention #2 on Husso

Why Chicago Makes The Trade:
They get a 4th to retain 1.1875M. That is the standard price. I chose Chicago randomly. You can insert any rebuilding team that has retention spots if Chicago doesn't make sense.

 

[GCK]

Could add another $0.750 from Forsberg to offer $8.25M or more if the salary cap goes up.

Yikes. So you want to pay a 1 dimensional winger who has one season over 29 goals but Josh Norris, a 200 foot centre, is overpaid at 7.9M.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I think Primeau would be off the table from Montreal.

You can justify Detroit "helping" Ottawa, because it is mutually beneficial. They get cap space. With Primeau, his cap hit is completely buried for Montreal.

Unless Montreal is super high on Sogaard, I can't seem them doing a Sogaard+4th for Primeau trade right now. Where as, I could see the logic behind Sogaard+4th for Husso (double-retained) because Detroit gains a significant amount of cap space to bank for the trade deadline, or to use right away to make a different acquisition.

 

[Golden_Jet]

-Ville Husso (Waiver Exempt) @ 1.1875M

Why Ottawa Makes The Trade:
There are very few goalies available. It is a seller's market. Ottawa gets out of Sogaard's 1-way contract next year. They add a (temporarily) waiver exempt goalie to help the AHL team and act as an option to backup Merilainen in the NHL instead of Forsberg. For now, Husso can move up and down through the NHL and AHL, which would be an important aspect of this trade.


-Mads Sogaard
-Retention #1 on Husso

Why Detroit Makes The Trade:
Burying Husso costs Detroit 3.6M in dead cap. Retaining half on him only costs them 2.375M. So while they help a division rival, it is justified by gaining 1.375M that they can bank towards the trade deadline. Husso has not played well in the NHL this season and the Senators already have Merilainen playing well, so the downside for Detroit is not as much as you would think for helping a division rival.

They receive Sogaard, who at this point has very little value, but was once a high end goalie prospect. You could argue that taking Sogaard's 1-way deal next year is a consolation that Detroit has to make for Ottawa, considering Ottawa is taking 2.375M of Husso's contract from them (and then paying a third party to eat half of it).


-OTT 2027 4th Round Pick
-Retention #2 on Husso

Why Chicago Makes The Trade:
They get a 4th to retain 1.1875M. That is the standard price. I chose Chicago randomly. You can insert any rebuilding team that has retention spots if Chicago doesn't make sense.

Puts Ottawa over the cap for one, and after listening to 3 different Staois interviews yesterday, not seeing this move. Any trade for Ottawa is basically dollar for dollar now.

That’s why I’ve always said to keep around 2 million in cap space to start a season, allows for some injuries or possible moves.

 

[ottawagm]

-Ville Husso (Waiver Exempt) @ 1.1875M

Why Ottawa Makes The Trade:
There are very few goalies available. It is a seller's market. Ottawa gets out of Sogaard's 1-way contract next year. They add a (temporarily) waiver exempt goalie to help the AHL team and act as an option to backup Merilainen in the NHL instead of Forsberg. For now, Husso can move up and down through the NHL and AHL, which would be an important aspect of this trade.


-Mads Sogaard
-Retention #1 on Husso

Why Detroit Makes The Trade:
Burying Husso costs Detroit 3.6M in dead cap. Retaining half on him only costs them 2.375M. So while they help a division rival, it is justified by gaining 1.375M that they can bank towards the trade deadline. Husso has not played well in the NHL this season and the Senators already have Merilainen playing well, so the downside for Detroit is not as much as you would think for helping a division rival.

They receive Sogaard, who at this point has very little value, but was once a high end goalie prospect. You could argue that taking Sogaard's 1-way deal next year is a consolation that Detroit has to make for Ottawa, considering Ottawa is taking 2.375M of Husso's contract from them (and then paying a third party to eat half of it).


-OTT 2027 4th Round Pick
-Retention #2 on Husso

Why Chicago Makes The Trade:
They get a 4th to retain 1.1875M. That is the standard price. I chose Chicago randomly. You can insert any rebuilding team that has retention spots if Chicago doesn't make sense.

Even if Sogaard looks terrible right now, I would not want to give Det a potential starter for the next decade. Send him somewhere else.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Puts Ottawa over the cap for one, and after listening to 3 different Staois interviews yesterday, not seeing this move. Any trade for Ottawa is basically dollar for dollar now.

That’s why I’ve always said to keep around 2 million in cap space to start a season, allows for some injuries or possible moves.

Buried cap threshold is 1.15M. Husso double-retained is 1.1875M. So when the team is completely healthy, they're dealing with a mostly negligable change to the cap (37.5k) because if Husso won the #2 job Forsberg would either be traded, buried, or lost to waivers. There is no real cap implications in the long-term except for that negligible amount.

It's too convoluted to speculate over how they would work it out right now, but they are currently in LTI with David Perron (according to Puckpedia). Giving Husso or Primeau games in the AHL and then calling them up to play when Merilainen needs a rest (with Forsberg dressed as the backup for Merilainen's starts) is plausible cap wise if they decided to acquire one of those goalies.

It's not real money in/out, but it is in most scenarios cap in/out since Husso is waiver exempt and his cap hit is nearly at parity with the buried cap threshold.