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GCK said:
Yikes. So you want to pay a 1 dimensional winger who has one season over 29 goals but Josh Norris, a 200 foot centre, is overpaid at 7.9M.
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Not that I'm arguing for Boeser over Norris, but worth pointing out that he's pacing at 35 goals this year and is a 65.5 point per 82 player compared to Norris at 53.5 per 82, skewed somewhat by 1 of his 4 seasons. Norris will always be criticized if he isn't able to produce more or until the cap balloons. 8 mil for a player pacing at 47 points, regardless of goal totals and defensive efficiency, carries some sticker shock. The criticism is warranted. Philip Danault makes 5.5 on a UFA contract as a defensive center with identical offensive output, sans the goal scoring. Foegele putting up similar for 3.5. Norris should be able to do more than that for what he makes, and I'm not sure why that gets push back, but also fair to say some patience is reasonable given the injuries and the team in general's low offensive output.
 
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ottawagm said:
Even if Sogaard looks terrible right now, I would not want to give Det a potential starter for the next decade. Send him somewhere else.
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They need to move someone out to avoid going to 50 contracts. I doubt any team would take Sogaard at this point because he is signed to a 1-way contract next season and has had a disastrous 2 seasons. I suppose Ottawa could move someone else and keep Sogaard, but they would probably value ditching the 1-way money.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
They need to move someone out to avoid going to 50 contracts. I doubt any team would take Sogaard at this point because he is signed to a 1-way contract next season and has had a disastrous 2 seasons. I suppose Ottawa could move someone else and keep Sogaard, but they would probably value ditching the 1-way money.
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Move him to the West or move someone else like Jenik.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Buried cap threshold is 1.15M. Husso double-retained is 1.1875M. So when the team is completely healthy, they're dealing with a mostly negligable change to the cap (37.5k) because if Husso won the #2 job Forsberg would either be traded, buried, or lost to waivers. There is no real cap implications in the long-term except for that negligible amount.

It's too convoluted to speculate over how they would work it out right now, but they are currently in LTI with David Perron (according to Puckpedia). Giving Husso or Primeau games in the AHL and then calling them up to play when Merilainen needs a rest (with Forsberg dressed as the backup for Merilainen's starts) is plausible cap wise if they decided to acquire one of those goalies.

It's not real money in/out, but it is in most scenarios cap in/out since Husso is waiver exempt and his cap hit is nearly at parity with the buried cap threshold.
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Team is riding with the goalies they have, that is what I took from Staois.

Forsberg and Leevi both have better numbers than Husso.
Husso and Soogard have similar numbers and cost the Sens an asset to get a more expensive goalie, via double retention.
So I don’t see the point
 
John Klingbberg is an interesting name, RD with offense. Rob Dimaio signed and traded him in Anaheim and he was coached by Rick Bowles’s who I basically consider a Sens fan now so that might help with recruitment. Could be a good fit if he’s healthy and can still provide offense
 
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Golden_Jet said:
Team is riding with the goalies they have, that is what I took from Staois.

Forsberg and Leevi both have better numbers than Husso.
Husso and Soogard have similar numbers and cost the Sens an asset to get a more expensive goalie, via double retention.
So I don’t see the point
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The point is to get a waiver exempt NHL goalie because Sogaard is now hurt again, and we're down to 2 NHL goalies in the entire org.

They also very clearly do not trust Forsberg. Merilainen is now playing three straight games. At one point, they are going to need to acquire someone to play.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
The point is to get a waiver exempt NHL goalie because Sogaard is now hurt again, and we're down to 2 NHL goalies in the entire org.

They also very clearly do not trust Forsberg. Merilainen is now playing three straight games. At one point, they are going to need to acquire someone to play.
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So they don’t trust Forsberg you say, but think they should pay more to get a goalie with a worse save percentage and worse GAA.

They go for a cheaper option I’d say
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
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-Ville Husso (Waiver Exempt) @ 1.1875M

Why Ottawa Makes The Trade:
There are very few goalies available. It is a seller's market. Ottawa gets out of Sogaard's 1-way contract next year. They add a (temporarily) waiver exempt goalie to help the AHL team and act as an option to backup Merilainen in the NHL instead of Forsberg. For now, Husso can move up and down through the NHL and AHL, which would be an important aspect of this trade.

:wings
-Mads Sogaard
-Retention #1 on Husso

Why Detroit Makes The Trade:
Burying Husso costs Detroit 3.6M in dead cap. Retaining half on him only costs them 2.375M. So while they help a division rival, it is justified by gaining 1.375M that they can bank towards the trade deadline. Husso has not played well in the NHL this season and the Senators already have Merilainen playing well, so the downside for Detroit is not as much as you would think for helping a division rival.

They receive Sogaard, who at this point has very little value, but was once a high end goalie prospect. You could argue that taking Sogaard's 1-way deal next year is a consolation that Detroit has to make for Ottawa, considering Ottawa is taking 2.375M of Husso's contract from them (and then paying a third party to eat half of it).

:hawks
-OTT 2027 4th Round Pick
-Retention #2 on Husso

Why Chicago Makes The Trade:
They get a 4th to retain 1.1875M. That is the standard price. I chose Chicago randomly. You can insert any rebuilding team that has retention spots if Chicago doesn't make sense.
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Why do we need to get out of Sogaard's one way contract next year? He's a reasonably good AHL goalie, so your basically cutting him loose to save ~500k once you replace him in the AHL and giving up on any potential he might still have (probably none, but whatever). Selling low on a 24 year old goalie that isn't hurting you in the minors to save 500k seems pointless.

Why do we want an optional backup instead of Forsberg that is just as bad as Forsberg? If we just need a guy who is waiver exempt that can sit on the bench while Merrilainen plays, we have Sogaard, but more realistically we should just keep Forsberg until Ullmark is back, and then, worry about if we can disappear Forsberg at that point,

This trade doesn't really help us, we don't get a better goalie than what we already have in Forsberg, we don't gain cap space, we give up a 4th for that privilege, and we create cap space for one of our biggest rivals for the final WC spot for them to make a deadline acquisition and potentially get a leg up on us.
 
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Tuna99 said:
John Klingbberg is an interesting name, RD with offense. Rob Dimaio signed and traded him in Anaheim and he was coached by Rick Bowles’s who I basically consider a Sens fan now so that might help with recruitment. Could be a good fit if he’s healthy and can still provide offense
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Could definitely use some offense from the backend. If his hip issues are behind him and he can skate, would be an interesting pickup.
 
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Oliver Bjorkstrand on the block according to Friedman. Speculates that Seattle is even willing to retain to sweeten the pot.

Now that’s a winger who’d be a perfect fit. Can score, can pass, can skate, can play anywhere. Reminds me of Clarke MacArthur. A top 6 Swiss Army knife.

Just so happens that he was on Travis Green’s WHL championship Portland team as well.

It’s a real shame we have no 1st rounder to trade. Or any good prospects other than Yakemchuk.
 
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DackellDuck said:
Oliver Bjorkstrand on the block according to Friedman. Speculates that Seattle is even willing to retain to sweeten the pot.

Now that’s a winger who’d be a perfect fit. Can score, can pass, can skate, can play anywhere. Reminds me of Clarke MacArthur. A top 6 Swiss Army knife.

Just so happens that he was on Travis Green’s WHL championship Portland team as well.

It’s a real shame we have no 1st rounder to trade. Or any good prospects other than Yakemchuk.
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MacArthur is a really good comp
 
DackellDuck said:
Oliver Bjorkstrand on the block according to Friedman. Speculates that Seattle is even willing to retain to sweeten the pot.

Now that’s a winger who’d be a perfect fit. Can score, can pass, can skate, can play anywhere. Reminds me of Clarke MacArthur. A top 6 Swiss Army knife.

It’s a real shame we have no 1st rounder to trade. Or any good prospects other than Yakemchuk.
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Totally agreed and I suspect he is exactly the style of player Staios would target. Not a top player, not a flashy name, but a guy that can come and round out your forward group and can adapt to playing with different players, in different roles, and in different situations.

He would be a great fit on this team.

As you mention issue becomes what can you trade to acquire that type of player? We don’t have much in terms of assets and teams at top of the standing will also be looking at him and the price will go up. A Barbashev/Bjorkstrand type add is what we need … and unfortunately teams are looking at those guys more and more closely with the cap stretched out on the majority of teams.
 
DackellDuck said:
Oliver Bjorkstrand on the block according to Friedman. Speculates that Seattle is even willing to retain to sweeten the pot.

Now that’s a winger who’d be a perfect fit. Can score, can pass, can skate, can play anywhere. Reminds me of Clarke MacArthur. A top 6 Swiss Army knife.

Just so happens that he was on Travis Green’s WHL championship Portland team as well.

It’s a real shame we have no 1st rounder to trade. Or any good prospects other than Yakemchuk.
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The only thing that makes sense on paper is something around Norris for Bjorkstrand and another skater. I just don't see otherwise how we could make it work long-term, even with retention.

People will suggest Perron goes the other way, but even if all parties were fine with that, we don't have the assets to compensate them for taking him and to get Bjorkstrand. Norris is the only one that makes sense, and that is only because his name is out there, not because I am suggesting we should trade Norris in the middle of the team rallying for a playoff spot.

We could finally get Brandon Tanev!
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
The only thing that makes sense on paper is something around Norris for Bjorkstrand and another skater. I just don't see otherwise how we could make it work long-term, even with retention.

People will suggest Perron goes the other way, but even if all parties were fine with that, we don't have the assets to compensate them for taking him and to get Bjorkstrand. Norris is the only one that makes sense, and that is only because his name is out there, not because I am suggesting we should trade Norris in the middle of the team rallying for a playoff spot.

We could finally get Brandon Tanev!
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You could include Forsberg in any trade to help with cap. Upcoming UFA so has no commitment, but you’d probably need to flip a late pick to the Kraken to cover whatever cash they’d owe the rest of the season. But a team that’s selling would probably have no issue taking him on for a couple months.

Him, and let’s say, Ostapchuk, gets you to ~3.75M.

Judging by Staios' comments though, I doubt we're going to be bringing in a top 6 guy. Tanev would indeed be a better bet.
 
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Oliver Bjorkstrand on the block according to Friedman. Speculates that Seattle is even willing to retain to sweeten the pot.

Now that’s a winger who’d be a perfect fit. Can score, can pass, can skate, can play anywhere. Reminds me of Clarke MacArthur. A top 6 Swiss Army knife.

Just so happens that he was on Travis Green’s WHL championship Portland team as well.

It’s a real shame we have no 1st rounder to trade. Or any good prospects other than Yakemchuk.
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Sweeten the pot by retaining 50% or paying another team to do so. Then send Forsberg to Carolina if they are still interested.
 
DackellDuck said:
You could include Forsberg in any trade to help with cap. Upcoming UFA so has no commitment, but you’d probably need to flip a late pick to the Kraken to cover whatever cash they’d owe the rest of the season. But a team that’s selling would probably have no issue taking him on for a couple months.

Him, and let’s say, Ostapchuk, gets you to ~3.75M.

Judging by Staios' comments though, I doubt we're going to be bringing in a top 6 guy. Tanev would indeed be a better bet.
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Even with Forsberg going the other way, there would be a 2.65M gap to bridge before it is cap neutral. I'm not sure they would retain that much. Forsberg+Perron with no retention on Bjorkstrand would make sense if there is certainty that Perron is going to LTIRetire and therefore he doesn't care where he gets traded to on paper. But with those two contracts going the other way, I don't see us having the assets.

With how thin our prospect depth is, I don't think we can afford to trade away Ostapchuk, or any other player who is close to NHL ready. We need the ELC+non-arb RFA years to help manage how tight our cap is. Ostapchuk is probably never going to be as good as Bjorkstrand is now, but Ostapchuk will only cost six figures this season and next season, and will likely cost very little on a short-term extension after that.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Even with Forsberg going the other way, there would be a 2.65M gap to bridge before it is cap neutral. I'm not sure they would retain that much. Forsberg+Perron with no retention on Bjorkstrand would make sense if there is certainty that Perron is going to LTIRetire and therefore he doesn't care where he gets traded to on paper. But with those two contracts going the other way, I don't see us having the assets.

With how thin our prospect depth is, I don't think we can afford to trade away Ostapchuk, or any other player who is close to NHL ready. We need the ELC+non-arb RFA years to help manage how tight our cap is. Ostapchuk is probably never going to be as good as Bjorkstrand is now, but Ostapchuk will only cost six figures this season and next season, and will likely cost very little on a short-term extension after that.
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Forsberg + Ostapchuk + other asset(s) for Bjorkstrand at 25% retained would only be a ~400k gap. Now the other asset would probably need to be a 1st round pick, which we won't give up considering the circumstances, but if we really wanted to go for it, it probably could be done. Our pick would be valued highly since we have a history of falling apart and Ostapchuk is a good piece himself.

I doubt Staios would do it, but theoretically, the benefit of paying the price would be that you'd get Bjorkstrand next year at $4.05M and would have the inside track at re-signing him to an extension for the post-Giroux era.
 
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DackellDuck said:
Forsberg + Ostapchuk + other asset(s) for Bjorkstrand at 25% retained would only be a ~400k gap. Now the other asset would probably need to be a 1st round pick, which we won't give up considering the circumstances, but if we really wanted to go for it, it probably could be done. Our pick would be valued highly since we have a history of falling apart and Ostapchuk is a good piece himself.

I doubt Staios would do it, but theoretically, the benefit of paying the price would be that you'd get Bjorkstrand next year at $4.05M and would have the inside track at re-signing him to an extension for the post-Giroux era.
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I like the idea of Bjorkstrand, but the contract runway is an issue. Can't re-sign him at the time of the deal. A 1st + Ostapchuk from a team starving for assets feels like a pretty steep price for a guy that may be gone in a season and a half.
 
BonHoonLayneCornell said:
I like the idea of Bjorkstrand, but the contract runway is an issue. Can't re-sign him at the time of the deal. A 1st + Ostapchuk from a team starving for assets feels like a pretty steep price for a guy that may be gone in a season and a half.
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Definitely a risk. Bjorkstrand is the type of guy, on the type of contract, we'll probably need to target though. We don't have any top 6 talent coming through the AHL, getting UFAs to sign here cold turkey is unlikely, and anyone with term who's on the market is probably on the market for a reason (overpaid, struggling, old, etc).

Get a guy who's good but not that good and has some time to acclimatize to Ottawa and learn to enjoy the sad grey winters. Preferably someone from a Nordic country. They don’t seem to mind it here. The big IKEA is a draw.
 
DackellDuck said:
Oliver Bjorkstrand on the block according to Friedman. Speculates that Seattle is even willing to retain to sweeten the pot.

Now that’s a winger who’d be a perfect fit. Can score, can pass, can skate, can play anywhere. Reminds me of Clarke MacArthur. A top 6 Swiss Army knife.

Just so happens that he was on Travis Green’s WHL championship Portland team as well.

It’s a real shame we have no 1st rounder to trade. Or any good prospects other than Yakemchuk.
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I wouldn’t move a first unless we were a perennial playoffs team.
 
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