Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Micklebot]

What about something around JBD for Jokiharju or Whitecloud? Would either of those be a) and improvement, and b) be realistic targets?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

What about something around JBD for Jokiharju or Whitecloud? Would either of those be a) and improvement, and b) be realistic targets?

problem with trading jbd for another right shot is does the new right shot play over hamonic any way? I honestly don’t know.

 

[bicboi64]

What about something around JBD for Jokiharju or Whitecloud? Would either of those be a) and improvement, and b) be realistic targets?

I'd love Whitecloud, I'm a big fan of his. He'd be an upgrade on Kleven, JBD, and Hamonic and would be a solid presence on the 3rd pairing that can gatekeep developing prospects. He's not overpaid, but not sure what we can offer Vegas for him. JBD is a downgrade on him. Maybe the bite on one of our 3rds in the next couple of drafts?

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Calgary is hanging on to the final playoff spot for one reason, and that reason is Dustin Wolf. 23 years old and already giving them elite level goaltending. Why can't Ottawa draft a guy like that?

The rest of their team is not very impressive. I agree Andersson and Weegar are both really desirable players. I doubt Calgary will let either guy go.

Maybe we did. We traded them though. Gustavsson & Daccord seem to be doing well.

Different subject - I don’t expect a big return for JBD, or that we’d have much trade leverage if we were to make him available.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I'd love Whitecloud, I'm a big fan of his. He'd be an upgrade on Kleven, JBD, and Hamonic and would be a solid presence on the 3rd pairing that can gatekeep developing prospects. He's not overpaid, but not sure what we can offer Vegas for him. JBD is a downgrade on him. Maybe the bite on one of our 3rds in the next couple of drafts?

2.75 m salary cap. JBD wouldn’t subtract enough cap to make room for Whitecloud even if VGK were interested in JBD.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Maybe we did. We traded them though. Gustavsson & Daccord seem to be doing well.

Different subject - I don’t expect a big return for JBD, or that we’d much trade leverage if we were to make him available.

Yup. Gus has MVP numbers 2 of the last 3 seasons and Daccord is posting .916 for the 2nd consecutive season.

 

[Micklebot]

2.75 m salary cap. JBD wouldn’t subtract enough cap to make room for Whitecloud even if VGK were interested in JBD.

We'd have to get them to retain a touch, we're about 110k shy of being able to fit him in on a 20 man roster.

We could also waive Forsberg to make the room (would give us about 280k if we use Merilainen as backup)..

Zub is on LTIR right now, so we'd have some time to sort it out if they don't retain, Perron could go on LTIR if whatever is keeping him out is more serious than let on.

 

[GCK]

Greig for Quinn straight up.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

We'd have to get them to retain a touch, we're about 110k shy of being able to fit him in on a 20 man roster.

We could also waive Forsberg to make the room (would give us about 280k if we use Merilainen as backup)..

Zub is on LTIR right now, so we'd have some time to sort it out if they don't retain, Perron could go on LTIR if whatever is keeping him out is more serious than let on.

This assumes that VGK wants to move Whitecloud and wants JBD (plus the team wants to run with a 20-man roster). I’m not holding my breath waiting for this to happen.

 

[Micklebot]

This assumes that VGK wants to move Whitecloud and wants JBD. I’m not holding my breath waiting for this to happen.

Sure, that's why I asked if it was realistic in the original proposal.

They might like the idea of opening up some capspace, and see Korczak as his natural replacement down the road while JBD gives them a serviceable option to compete with. He's been a guy they're willing to healthy scratch over the year, so who knows.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

What about something around JBD for Jokiharju or Whitecloud? Would either of those be a) and improvement, and b) be realistic targets?

JBD has almost no trade value, so that only works if Whitecloud doesn't either and they purely want to give him away.

I was going to say that we could swap backup goalies to make it compliant (Forsberg for whoever they have) but then I noticed they have Ullmark's mortal enemy, Ilya Samsonov.

Forsberg (2.75M x 1Y, Cap Dump)
JBD (805k x 1Y, Worth a 4th-7th type pick)
Assets (Sogaard, 2nd or 3rd round pick?)

for

Whitecloud (2.75M x 4Y)
Schmid (2 years at 875k)

That would be 70k shy of cap in/cap out. Sens can test drive Schmid who might be similar in a backup role to Forsberg. Forsberg expires at the end of the year and Vegas can bury Forsberg or Samsonov.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

What about something around JBD for Jokiharju or Whitecloud? Would either of those be a) and improvement, and b) be realistic targets?

Whitecloud would be a no-brainer but we'd have to add something decent.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Greig for Quinn straight up.

I'd do Greig+Halliday but I imagine it would still not be enough. Quinn has a lot of potential and I doubt the Sabres give him away for anything that we'd be comfortable with.

 

[Hale The Villain]

What about something around JBD for Jokiharju or Whitecloud? Would either of those be a) and improvement, and b) be realistic targets?

Whitecloud could be available since the Knights re-signed their UFAs Theodore and McNabb, but doubt they'd have any interest in JBD.

I expect they'll deal Hague or Whitecloud for forward help or perhaps futures. We can't really afford to give up either unfortunately.

 

[SenatorsLegionary]

I’d wonder why he wasn’t getting ice time. I see he has 12 points in 44 games last year, and 5 points in 15 games this year. His 2022-23 (point) stats were better though (25 points, 45 games).

Other than what I see on Elite Prospects, I don’t have any other info (or viewings) though.

The idea of putting Parssinen with Stutzle seems potentially like a stretch.

All I meant was that it wouldn't hurt to try him with Stutzle and see if they have any chemistry together, if their games can compliment each other. I tend to agree that he most likely wouldn't stick on one of the top 2 lines and would be a better fit on Pinto's wing in a 3rd line role.

I won't pretend to have full insight into the situation, but from the accounts of Preds fans on the main board, it seems to be a case of the coach favoring inferior veteran players over giving a younger player a shot. I would guess that this is in reference to guys like Mark Jankowski, Mike McCarron and Cole Smith. Nashville already lost/gave away two younger players in Fabbro and Tomasino under similar circumstances this year. Fabbro, in particular, is already showing to be a nice complement to Werenski on Columbus' top pairing. Although it is still a small sample size, I would say that there might be some evidence here to say that the current coaching staff is perhaps mismanaging some of the younger players on the roster, which creates an opportunity to possibly take advantage of.

At worst, this is a move that would bring in a player who should be an everyday NHLer and improve our depth in the bottom 6. If all it would cost is a late round pick in 2 or 3 drafts from now (basing this return off of the recent Tomasino trade), that's a low risk chance that I'd take anytime provided that there is room on the roster and that it fits cap-wise.

 

[Blotto71]

He's too small for Sens scouts to pay attention to.

Lol, yup. Draft big and coach to play small!!

 

[Cosmix]

I probably wouldn't re-sign Forsberg, Gregor or Cousins for next season & I might even look to move one or two of them at the trade deadline. That frees up $4.4 mil & with Hamonic also likely not being re-signed $1.1 mil that's $5.5 mil to play with. Ostapchuk replaces Cousins, Yakemchuk/JBD replace Hamonic, Reinhardt could probably replace Gregor & Sogaard or more likely a vet NHL goalie for $1 mil could replace Forsberg. If they re-sign Giroux for another yr I would guess it would be for a bit less money too.

Not sure what is going on with Perron, if he is still out due to family issues, but it's $4 mil & a roster spot we need to fill with a player who can contribute. If they keep him which is likely he will likely replace Gregor. Not sure what to do with Gaudette either although he would likely sign for another cheap amount & doesn't really hurt you & if put on the right line can contribute a few goals. While they are having down seasons I think both Greig & Pinto are still really good young players & will be effective players for this team for yrs.

However Gregor appears to be useful at his low salary. Cousins takes too many penalties. Forsberg costs too much and we can probably do better with someone else.

 

[GCK]

I'd do Greig+Halliday but I imagine it would still not be enough. Quinn has a lot of potential and I doubt the Sabres give him away for anything that we'd be comfortable with.

Greig can play centre which adds value. Both are RFAs this summer, both are 23. I think it’s closer than you think.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Greig can play centre which adds value. Both are RFAs this summer, both are 23. I think it’s closer than you think.

and Greig may still be seen as a heart and soul type guy around the league. I’m willing to bet he has sneaky high value

 

[Emerica]

and Greig may still be seen as a heart and soul type guy around the league. I’m willing to bet he has sneaky high value

Hopefully buffalo haven't been scouting this year

 

[HSF]

greig fits the style of play we want to play. He just needs time to develop.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Greig for Quinn seems very fair value wise, it just comes down to how each team views the player and whether Buffalo actually feels they should move on from Quinn rather than being patient and vice versa for Ottawa.

Greig is having a slump, which if it doesn't prevent use from making the playoffs might actually be a good thing in the long run. We might be able to get him at under 2M on a 2 year term to bridge him to arbitration. Putting up 20 goals as a fan favourite pest could have had him thinking that he is entitled to Pinto money or god forgive us Josh Norris money.

 

[LiseL]

I probably wouldn't re-sign Forsberg, Gregor or Cousins for next season & I might even look to move one or two of them at the trade deadline. That frees up $4.4 mil & with Hamonic also likely not being re-signed $1.1 mil that's $5.5 mil to play with. Ostapchuk replaces Cousins, Yakemchuk/JBD replace Hamonic, Reinhardt could probably replace Gregor & Sogaard or more likely a vet NHL goalie for $1 mil could replace Forsberg. If they re-sign Giroux for another yr I would guess it would be for a bit less money too.

Not sure what is going on with Perron, if he is still out due to family issues, but it's $4 mil & a roster spot we need to fill with a player who can contribute. If they keep him which is likely he will likely replace Gregor. Not sure what to do with Gaudette either although he would likely sign for another cheap amount & doesn't really hurt you & if put on the right line can contribute a few goals. While they are having down seasons I think both Greig & Pinto are still really good young players & will be effective players for this team for yrs.

Gregor is playing well, why wouldn't you re-sign him at that price? This team lacks speed which he has + he's good on the PK. Cousins has been playing very well with Pinto/Amadio. He was brought in specifically for his post-season experience and leadership. I want to wait to see how this season plays out before kicking him to the curb.

Personally, I think they could walk away from G or release Gaudette if his ask is too high if you want to open up a roster spot for Ostapchuk. I don't think Reinhart is any better than the players we currently have so why make room for him if the player he's replacing is basically at the same salary?