Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Cosmix]

Sorry, I meant to say the organization shouldn't trade him, not that they can't. They can be ruthless like Vegas or NYR, but not sure if its best to do that when we have trouble attracting FAs, unless of course the unlikely event of a deal being far too good to pass comes up.

I think any player can be traded depending on the return. This has been proven before with Gretzky being traded from Edmonton to LA.

There can be circumstances where the trade may be required for financial reasons (Gretzky was one of those, as was the Selanne trade from Winnipeg to Anaheim).

 

[ottawagm]

Larsson & Burakovsky for Perron? I might not understand your post & what you are trying to say.

Just saying there isn't a lot they have that we could want or fit in. Larsson would be an upgrade over Zub.

They don't have too many low paid upgrades we could fit in without sending money back. I think we are past the point of getting picks back. We need to improve the roster.

 

[SensFactor]

Man i would love to see JJ Peterka in Ottawa on a line with his fellow German

 

[2CHAINZ]

Is this rhetorical or are you actually looking to become an NHL GM and sign some veterans?

I would accept the job as an AGM whose sole responsibility is to sign vets.

 

[aragorn]

I probably wouldn't re-sign Forsberg, Gregor or Cousins for next season & I might even look to move one or two of them at the trade deadline. That frees up $4.4 mil & with Hamonic also likely not being re-signed $1.1 mil that's $5.5 mil to play with. Ostapchuk replaces Cousins, Yakemchuk/JBD replace Hamonic, Reinhardt could probably replace Gregor & Sogaard or more likely a vet NHL goalie for $1 mil could replace Forsberg. If they re-sign Giroux for another yr I would guess it would be for a bit less money too.

Not sure what is going on with Perron, if he is still out due to family issues, but it's $4 mil & a roster spot we need to fill with a player who can contribute. If they keep him which is likely he will likely replace Gregor. Not sure what to do with Gaudette either although he would likely sign for another cheap amount & doesn't really hurt you & if put on the right line can contribute a few goals. While they are having down seasons I think both Greig & Pinto are still really good young players & will be effective players for this team for yrs.

 

[Boud]

Would anyone trade Ridly Greig for Kaapo Kakko?

 

[Big Muddy]

Just saying there isn't a lot they have that we could want or fit in. Larsson would be an upgrade over Zub.

They don't have too many low paid upgrades we could fit in without sending money back. I think we are past the point of getting picks back. We need to improve the roster.

OK, but still wondering what your trade proposal is? Would think it isn’t Larsson + Burakovsky for Perron because we haven’t enough cap space for that trade.

There’s suddenly a lot of trade proposals involving the Kraken. Not sure why that’s the case, but perhaps I missed something. I’m kind of curious as to what the Kraken’s strategy or objectives are.

The other question is whether Perron would be of interest to the Kraken?

 

[GCK]

Would anyone trade Ridly Greig for Kaapo Kakko?

Nope.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Would anyone trade Ridly Greig for Kaapo Kakko?

Yep.

 

[Alex1234]

I get that Ullmark has been solid and the impact that has. But, not sure that is the sole reason for the wins. The team is playing better team D, more structure and more efficiency. We are providing more goal support as well lately.

I said sole reason my bad…

Linus rn?

Right now

 

[SenatorsLegionary]

Saw on the main trade board that Parssinen is most likely being made available by Nashville. His situation with the Predators sounds very similar to Fabbro and Tomasino recently, where they have a young player who has shown some promise and potential in the past but is not being given consistent playing opportunity by their coach.

Given how many significant futures we traded away in recent years, most notably with our DeBrincat and Chychrun ventures, this is the type of move that I would love to see us being interested in making. I assume that the cost would be similar to the Tomasino trade - likely around a 2026 5th or 2027 4th type of value.

It would give us a young asset (23 years old) that would not be expensive to acquire, easy to fit to our cap structure ($775k for this season then RFA), and who has shown that he can play a role in the middle six with decent production (produced at a 30-35 pts pace over his career so far). If my assumption is not far off on the acquisition cost, I'd love to see this kind of move to add depth while also adding an nhl calibre role player that fits with the timeline of our core. It would be low risk/medium reward IMO.

 

[ottawagm]

Saw on the main trade board that Parssinen is most likely being made available by Nashville. His situation with the Predators sounds very similar to Fabbro and Tomasino recently, where they have a young player who has shown some promise and potential in the past but is not being given consistent playing opportunity by their coach.

Given how many significant futures we traded away in recent years, most notably with our DeBrincat and Chychrun ventures, this is the type of move that I would love to see us being interested in making. I assume that the cost would be similar to the Tomasino trade - likely around a 2026 5th or 2027 4th type of value.

It would give us a young asset (23 years old) that would not be expensive to acquire, easy to fit to our cap structure ($775k for this season then RFA), and who has shown that he can play a role in the middle six with decent production (produced at a 30-35 pts pace over his career so far). If my assumption is not far off on the acquisition cost, I'd love to see this kind of move to add depth while also adding an nhl calibre role player that fits with the timeline of our core. It would be low risk/medium reward IMO.

Sure give him a shot with Stutzle. We should be trying to pick up any young NHL players for late round picks.

 

[Bileur]

I probably wouldn't re-sign Forsberg, Gregor or Cousins for next season & I might even look to move one or two of them at the trade deadline. That frees up $4.4 mil & with Hamonic also likely not being re-signed $1.1 mil that's $5.5 mil to play with. Ostapchuk replaces Cousins, Yakemchuk/JBD replace Hamonic, Reinhardt could probably replace Gregor & Sogaard or more likely a vet NHL goalie for $1 mil could replace Forsberg. If they re-sign Giroux for another yr I would guess it would be for a bit less money too.

Not sure what is going on with Perron, if he is still out due to family issues, but it's $4 mil & a roster spot we need to fill with a player who can contribute. If they keep him which is likely he will likely replace Gregor. Not sure what to do with Gaudette either although he would likely sign for another cheap amount & doesn't really hurt you & if put on the right line can contribute a few goals. While they are having down seasons I think both Greig & Pinto are still really good young players & will be effective players for this team for yrs.

If you can get Gregor back on the same contract I’d definitely bring him back.

Very useful player for 850,000

 

[Laphroaig]

-Brandon Saad (4.5M x 2Y)
-Joel Hofer (775k x 1Y - Arbitration Eligible RFA)


-David Perron (4M x 2Y)
-Anton Forsberg (2.75M x 1Y - UFA)
-Mads Sogaard (775k x 2Y - Injured)

This trade assumes Forsberg isn't out long term because the Blues will need a backup goalie to replace Hofer. It also assumes David Perron isn't read to return for a while and would welcome the idea of getting traded back to his home state.

Why the Blues do it?
This trade would be more about gaining cap flexibility next year without hurting their roster this year. They move out a player who isn't working for one they are more familiar with in a change of scenery move. They shed 500k from the cap next year. Also, Hofer will be eligible for arbitration, so he will certainly make more than Sogaard's 775k salary. Sogaard clearly is on his way out in Ottawa, and might be an intriguing gamble given his ceiling. I doubt he has much trade value, but I also doubt that Hofer does either. The Blues get Forsberg as a stop-gap to back them up. When you consider that Saad makes an extra 1M in cap over the lifetime of this trade, it's very close to cap for cap (9.75M over 2 years from the Blues for 10.75M over 2 years for Ottawa). You could argue that Ottawa should have to retain a small amount on Forsberg.

Why Ottawa does it?
If Perron is not working out here and would welcome a trade back to St.Louis for family reasons, there is nothing to lose since his contract becomes a sunk cost. Is Saad going to come here and be a great player? Probably not. But due to the unfortunate situation with Perron, he's missed almost the entire season so far, and it might help Ottawa to get someone who is already in mid-season form and ready to go, even if it is Brandon Saad. Sogaard is clearly done and has very little trade value, so swapping him for Hofner is of minimal concern. It gets Ottawa an additional change of scenery in the backup goalie position, and if Sogaard puts it all together and meets his immense potential, he is out west.

I believe that Joel Hofer has one hell of a lot more trade value than you think he does.

 

[SenatorsLegionary]

Sure give him a shot with Stutzle. We should be trying to pick up any young NHL players for late round picks.

Completely agree, those types of moves can hopefully help soften the blow a little bit of not having much in the pipeline in terms of quality prospects.

Give him a chance on Stutzle's wing and if anything, he should be a good fit with Pinto on the 3rd line as a floor.

 

[Boud]

Perron is not getting traded

Pinto, Norris, Stutzle, Tkachuk, Batherson, Giroux, Amadio, Gregor, Cousins, Jensen, Chabot, Sanderson, Kleven are not getting traded either.

I think if we are looking at a trade these are the guys that could potentially go:

Artem Zub (In a trade including another RD)
JBD part of a deal for a better Dman.
Ridly Greig for a top 6 winger.
Zack Ostapchuk + for a top 6 winger.

I don’t see us depleting our picks more unless it’s 3rd rounders or later picks.

Not much to move at this stage. Best case scenario you move Zub as part of a package for a guy like Weegar or Andersson, or trade Zub to acquire the necessary assets to make a move for a guy like these guys.

Ostapchuk I feel like they’ll want to keep but it could happen for the right player.

Greig is so much better at center but we don’t have the space for him there. Don’t understand why he’s playing RW instead of LW. Anyways… he seems like the most likely candidate if we can get a legit top 6 F/ RD.

I feel like the move to make is to upgrade on Zub.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Would anyone trade Ridly Greig for Kaapo Kakko?

Nope, 2 coaches so far for Greig that somehow don't see that he is most effective at C and they don't wanna put him there.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Nope, 2 coaches so far for Greig that somehow don't see that he is most effective at C and they don't wanna put him there.

Greig may be better at C but Pinto, Norris and Stu are all better than he is.

 

[Icelevel]

Greig may be better at C but Pinto, Norris and Stu are all better than he is.

You could add Ostapchuk as well by next yr at least.

 

[GCK]

You could add Ostapchuk as well by next yr at least.

Zub + Greig for Andersson

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Micklebot]

Zub + Greig for Andersson

I don't think CGY is interested in moving a top 4 D, otherwise I'd be interested.

 

[Micklebot]

He'd be an interesting target, I'd prefer someone who is a plus skater though.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Cam Flowler .. Lead all Blues D with 23:50 Toi +2 in a 3-2 win yesterday vs the Rangers.

 

[GCK]

I don't think CGY is interested in moving a top 4 D, otherwise I'd be interested.

I’d be leery as well as I’d want to discuss extension.