Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[BigRig4]

If Norris can play out the season he has more value than people think.

People are upset he's not scoring more - he's scoring at the same rate Brady Tkachuk is at even strength. There are definitely coaches and GMs who will think they can fix Josh Norris on the powerplay if he continues to score at even strength.

The scary thing is the “if” in that scenario. His shoulder could blow up at any time and if it happens again, we’re stuck with that contract til the very end.

 

[BankStreetParade]

The scary thing is the “if” in that scenario. His shoulder could blow up at any time and if it happens again, we’re stuck with that contract til the very end.

If that happens he goes on LTIR, you never hear from him again and the Sens get LTIR cap relief.

 

[Blotto71]

I know there was a lot of noise around Norris but I don’t actually think he gets moved. IMO Brady has to be the first domino to fall because whatever happens with him dictates what else you do.

If you keep Brady, then that means the shake up has to happen elsewhere and almost certainly means you have to make the playoffs ASAP. So maybe in a situation like that, Norris is a trade chip to enhance the depth.

If you trade Brady then you have to consider the return - whether it’s young players or prospects or picks that probably informs your timeline and what you’d be looking for if you traded Norris. And realistically it becomes tough to trade Norris if Brady is gone because you’ve already taken a huge chunk of offense off your roster. I’m not sure there is much logic to moving him at that point.

Personally I think Norris should be the first domino - move him and see how the team reacts (on the ice). If the team doesn't respond well, then it's likely more of a tear down than any of us want.

Brady w/o Norris, the team is still capable of turning it around.

Norris w/o Brady, w/o another significant deal or mind-blowing return, not sure the team isn't a bottom 3 squad.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Personally I think Norris should be the first domino - move him and see how the team reacts (on the ice). If the team doesn't respond well, then it's likely more of a tear down than any of us want.

Brady w/o Norris, the team is still capable of turning it around.

Norris w/o Brady, w/o another significant deal or mind-blowing return, not sure the team isn't a bottom 3 squad.

Moving Norris opens a hole at 2C. Are you filling it with Pinto who is significantly underperforming the guy people have #1 on the trade block? Or what's the plan?

 

[Micklebot]

If that happens he goes on LTIR, you never hear from him again and the Sens get LTIR cap relief.

That would be the best case scenario, but if it was a certainty, the injury risk wouldn't hurt his value as much as it appears to.

Certainly a possibility that mitigates the risk though.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If that happens he goes on LTIR, you never hear from him again and the Sens get LTIR cap relief.

The worst case scenario is that he gets hurt on and off, and it makes it impossible to build around because we have to keep 8M open perpetually for when he gets activated.

I assume he is insured, but if his contract is not insured, Andlauer may not be crazy about the possibility of paying for it. We aren't a budget teams, but all ownership groups have their spending limits even if they aren't traditionally what people think of when they think of a budget team.

Even if insured, it's still a lot of money because he is owed about 53M on the remaining 6 years of his contract. His real money AAV is close to 9M. Even if insurance covers 80 percent after game 30, that's still a few million dollars a year or 10's of millions of dollars over the lifetime of the contract.

 

[PlayOn]

Personally I think Norris should be the first domino - move him and see how the team reacts (on the ice). If the team doesn't respond well, then it's likely more of a tear down than any of us want.

Brady w/o Norris, the team is still capable of turning it around.

Norris w/o Brady, w/o another significant deal or mind-blowing return, not sure the team isn't a bottom 3 squad.

You have to get a veteran centre back if you trade Norris. Relying on Pinto to fill that role when he can barely play third line minutes right now doesn’t make sense.

What’s the use of a veteran C that will suck in a few years if you’re trading Brady this summer? Feels like a wasted asset in Norris, who I feel will see his value appreciate over the years should he stay healthy, although I understand the risks there.

 

[bicboi64]

I think Norris is worth more to us than he is in a trade, our vaunted center depth isn't really showing the signs of life needed to make Norris expendable, and moving him now would only serve to alleviate the risk of a future injury that may never come while making us a worse team.

The play with Norris imo is to let him prove the injury concerns are in the past and then consider moving him if Pinto or Greig show they are ready to take over.

If we need to move someone to shore up another spot, Greig is probably the piece, he's still got the upside people want to get a decent return, and will need a new contract that maybe we aren't ready to commit to. Not saying I want to move him, but he's the guy I think gives us the best chance of improving the roster without getting ripped off.

The main problem I find with letting him prove that injuries aren't an issue is if he gets injured we're stuck in a limbo where we can't add much because we'll need the cap space to activate him, and it sinks his trade value even more in the future.

Greig and Pinto have been awful this year, but I think if Staios has an opportunity to move Norris he should do it, even if the return is just some 3rd/4th liners or bottom-paring defenders with shorter terms on their deals. At least it opens up some capspace to give Satios some more flexibility.

 

[BigRig4]

If that happens he goes on LTIR, you never hear from him again and the Sens get LTIR cap relief.

I mean that’s as up to Josh in that scenario. We don’t get unilateral say in whether he goes into LTIretirement. LTIR space is also not as beneficial as real space.

 

[TheNewEra]

I mean that’s as up to Josh in that scenario. We don’t get unilateral say in whether he goes into LTIretirement. LTIR space is also not as beneficial as real space.

not necessarily LTIRetirement but if he cant pass a physical that is what will happen

 

[Blotto71]

Moving Norris opens a hole at 2C. Are you filling it with Pinto who is significantly underperforming the guy people have #1 on the trade block? Or what's the plan?

I was responding to someone that felt Brady was the 1st domino versus Norris.

But to answer your question, yes, Pinto or a centre on an expiring deal coming back.

So many people on here want change, but are absolutely not prepared for what that means. If the culture is the issue, then it requires a significant jolt to change it - waiving/dealing Cousins or demoting Greig (both of which I'd like to see) won't move the needle. Nobody really wants Brady gone. So that leaves:
Norris
Batherson
Chabot
Giroux
Which of those guys being dealt sends a ripple through the room? Not sure you can move Chabot w/o creating a bigger issue on D than what you feel would be created at C. Giroux being dealt is the move that I think signals the towel being tossed into the ring. Batherson is the best value contract in the group...

As I expressed, if Norris were moved and the team didn't respond, then it's over for the year and there's time to figure out who else goes. But if the team does respond, there's time to win some games and keep it all interesting.

 

[BankStreetParade]

The worst case scenario is that he gets hurt on and off, and it makes it impossible to build around because we have to keep 8M open perpetually for when he gets activated.

I assume he is insured, but if his contract is not insured, Andlauer may not be crazy about the possibility of paying for it. We aren't a budget teams, but all ownership groups have their spending limits even if they aren't traditionally what people think of when they think of a budget team.

Even if insured, it's still a lot of money because he is owed about 53M on the remaining 6 years of his contract. His real money AAV is close to 9M. Even if insurance covers 80 percent after game 30, that's still a few million dollars a year or 10's of millions of dollars over the lifetime of the contract.

I mean that’s as up to Josh in that scenario. We don’t get unilateral say in whether he goes into LTIretirement. LTIR space is also not as beneficial as real space.

Ok but the scenario @BigRig4 brought up was him "blowing up" his shoulder, which would end his career. There's no coming back from blowing up a shoulder that's been surgically repaired 3 times in the last 5 years.

 

[PlayOn]

I was responding to someone that felt Brady was the 1st domino versus Norris.

But to answer your question, yes, Pinto or a centre on an expiring deal coming back.

So many people on here want change, but are absolutely not prepared for what that means. If the culture is the issue, then it requires a significant jolt to change it - waiving/dealing Cousins or demoting Greig (both of which I'd like to see) won't move the needle. Nobody really wants Brady gone. So that leaves:
Norris
Batherson
Chabot
Giroux
Which of those guys being dealt sends a ripple through the room? Not sure you can move Chabot w/o creating a bigger issue on D than what you feel would be created at C. Giroux being dealt is the move that I think signals the towel being tossed into the ring. Batherson is the best value contract in the group...

As I expressed, if Norris were moved and the team didn't respond, then it's over for the year and there's time to figure out who else goes. But if the team does respond, there's time to win some games and keep it all interesting.

I think making moves to send a ripple through the room is short-sighted.

In the summer I think we all understand changes are coming, but I think we’d be dumb to make a move just for the sake of hoping whatever we throw to the wall sticks.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Well two people on towtter said
1 were trying to make a deal in the west.
2 we have a deal being work on with the rangers.

And then another guy said rangers have something big coming but did not mention the senators.

Trading a young centre to the Rangers will work this time.

 

[bicboi64]

I think making moves to send a ripple through the room is short-sighted.

I absolutely hope that if anyone is moved its not for the sake of making a move to inspire the rest of the roster. If Norris is moved, I hope management is considering the value of having his capspace being spent on some other depth pieces or just the cap flexibility it gives the roster in the off season.

 

[stempniaksen]

Trading a young centre to the Rangers will work this time.

2016-17: Trade Mika Zibanejad and a 2nd for Derrick Brassard
2024-25: Trade Josh Norris and a 2nd for Mika Zibanejad
2032-33: Trade (Insert Young Center) + 2nd for Josh Norris

The cursed cycle is bound to work eventually.

 

[Larionov]

It would certainly appear as if JT Miller is looking to get out of Vancouver. (There is something strangely toxic about that city and its fanbase.) If that's the case, and he is willing to stay in Canada, I would absolutely love to be in on that one. I would send them Norris plus a sweetener for him in a heartbeat. There's a guy who can play AND would shake up the composition of the dressing room - Miller is a fiery dude who plays to win every night...

 

[Skid]

It would certainly appear as if JT Miller is looking to get out of Vancouver. (There is something strangely toxic about that city and its fanbase.) If that's the case, and he is willing to stay in Canada, I would absolutely love to be in on that one. I would send them Norris plus a sweetener for him in a heartbeat. There's a guy who can play AND would shake up the composition of the dressing room - Miller is a fiery dude who plays to win every night...

We’re just as toxic

 

[Blotto71]

I think making moves to send a ripple through the room is short-sighted.

In the summer I think we all understand changes are coming, but I think we’d be dumb to make a move just for the sake of hoping whatever we throw to the wall sticks.

I don't think any moves made by Staios would be of that variety, and the return would be a consideration regardless who it was moving (or when).

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

So I am gathering Norris name has been out there as trade bait.. If Brady et al used time in LA to reconnect with DJ would that news have been discussed?

 

[Micklebot]

It would certainly appear as if JT Miller is looking to get out of Vancouver. (There is something strangely toxic about that city and its fanbase.) If that's the case, and he is willing to stay in Canada, I would absolutely love to be in on that one. I would send them Norris plus a sweetener for him in a heartbeat. There's a guy who can play AND would shake up the composition of the dressing room - Miller is a fiery dude who plays to win every night...

I mean, I'd do that in a heartbeat depending on what the sweetener is of course, but Idk if we have anything that would work, and we can afford to lose.

I just can't see a package that Vancouver would accept.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Boots on the ground.

On my way to the CTC now. Asked my Uber driver if he knew anything about the Norris trade but there was a language barrier. The look in his eyes told me he might be an insider.

He can't tell I have a Ceci jerseys beside I have a jacket..

 

[bicboi64]

I mean, I'd do that in a heartbeat depending on what the sweetener is of course, but Idk if we have anything that would work, and we can afford to lose.

I just can't see a package that Vancouver would accept.

I don't think adding one of Greig or Pinto would be enough since their team becomes worse by replacing Miller.

I'd hate to do it because I think Batherson is one of our better forwards this season, but maybe a swap of Norris & Bath for Miller and a guy like Garland? Would balance out the salaries and the Nucks get an upgrade on the wing.

 

[Senscore]

Boots on the ground.

On my way to the CTC now. Asked my Uber driver if he knew anything about the Norris trade but there was a language barrier. The look in his eyes told me he might be an insider.

He can't tell I have a Ceci jerseys beside I have a jacket..

Pull up your shirt and show him your Josh Norris face tattoo. He will understand immediately.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Pull up your shirt and show him your Josh Norris face tattoo. He will understand immediately.

The driver could be part of the Josh Norris underground as well