Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

if we are in/near a playoff spot around the trade deadline i dont see us making a crazy move (unless someone is available for dirt cheap)

Possibilities
a move for a RD that is on an expiring deal (with JBD probably being a piece sent in return)
3rd line winger to push amadio down to line 4

since we arent ever going to scratch hamonic, getting a a better forward for that third line might be the best move. Then said forward either works with Pinto or we shuffle it around and bring greig back to line 3

If we're in a playoff spot, we should make the biggest possible acquisition at the deadline. We haven't made the playoffs for almost a decade. We might not make them for another decade. We can't give up a 1st because we owe the league one already, and teams are less likely to allow us to protect a 1st for multiple years, but if we are firmly in a playoff spot every prospect or pick except for something stupid like Yakemchuk should be available to get us our Alexander Burrows.

 

[scout20]

Trade for Marcus Pettersson?

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[TheNewEra]

If we're in a playoff spot, we should make the biggest possible acquisition at the deadline. We haven't made the playoffs for almost a decade. We might not make them for another decade. We can't give up a 1st because we owe the league one already, and teams are less likely to allow us to protect a 1st for multiple years, but if we are firmly in a playoff spot every prospect or pick except for something stupid like Yakemchuk should be available to get us our Alexander Burrows.

not alex burrows haha

puckpedia has our projected cap space for the deadline at 4.6 million. We might actually be able to get more of a 2nd/3rd line guy

if we just look at bottom teams some targets are (not doing nashville or montreal)
taylor hall
mikael granlund (probably too expensive for us having a crazy season)
patrick kane (would be fun, probably has canada super blocked on his ntc)
jvr (probably the most realistic option)
brock mcginn/frank vatrano

taylor hall would be a nice full circle get and with the hawks scratching him might not cost too much. All the options above would end up adding more offense to the third line

Trade for Marcus Pettersson?

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i think he is a LD otherwise i would be game

 

[Tuna99]

NJ: Tkachuk, Sogaard
Ott: Dawson Mercer, Anton Silayev, Leeni Hennamaino, 1st round 2026, 2 x 2nd round picks 2024

With the cap rising fitting tkahcuk in won’t be a problem.
Include Sogaard to get rid of the salary
Don’t resign Giroux

New leadership group

Stutzle - Captain
Pinto - A
Sanderson - A
Norris - A

Use the Tkachuk money to sign a 1st line LW

 

[BigRig4]

I actually think Chabot has been playing much better this year - but if you wanted to shake things up on defence, he’d be the obvious guy to move out. I say this partly because I’ve been impressed by Kleven this year and this he has second pairing potential in the future.

 

[ChurchOfAlfie]

No one around the league wants Chabot, but getting rid of him for future considerations and re-distributing his 8 million between a replacement LHD and a middle 6 forward would make this team unbelievably better.

 

[Micklebot]

No one around the league wants Chabot, but getting rid of him for future considerations and re-distributing his 8 million between a replacement LHD and a middle 6 forward would make this team unbelievably better.

I really don't think it does. He's the only guy creating offense from the backend right now (sanderson has to step his game up) and splitting his 8 mil across two guys means you get a Perron and a Jokiharju type of signings, that really doesn't move the needle at all.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

No one around the league wants Chabot, but getting rid of him for future considerations and re-distributing his 8 million between a replacement LHD and a middle 6 forward would make this team unbelievably better.

Hockey Related Revenue is vastly exceeding what was expected when the NHL and NHLPA originally outlined how the cap would be raised coming out of the pandemic escrow repayment by the players.

If the NHL and NHLPA agree to raise the cap beyond the previously agreed upon amount, the cap could be close to 100M.

In that environment, I think there might be a market for Chabot. Someone like Chychrun is going to get 8 or 9 million if we're at a 100M cap, but it's going to require a long-term commitment. A team would look at Chabot and grab him because they only have to commit 3 years, and they don't have to do signing bonuses or a NMC.

The short of it is that 8M is going to be the new 6M, and Chabot's rise in play and flexible term could make him desirable when the past two seasons he was probably impossible to move without cap considerations.

 

[BigRig4]

Hockey Related Revenue is vastly exceeding what was expected when the NHL and NHLPA originally outlined how the cap would be raised coming out of the pandemic escrow repayment by the players.

If the NHL and NHLPA agree to raise the cap beyond the previously agreed upon amount, the cap could be close to 100M.

In that environment, I think there might be a market for Chabot. Someone like Chychrun is going to get 8 or 9 million if we're at a 100M cap, but it's going to require a long-term commitment. A team would look at Chabot and grab him because they only have to commit 3 years, and they don't have to do signing bonuses or a NMC.

The short of it is that 8M is going to be the new 6M, and Chabot's rise in play and flexible term could make him desirable when the past two seasons he was probably impossible to move without cap considerations.

The report from Friedman was 95-97 on Saturday which was immediately shot down by Bettman as too high. I think we're looking at closer to 92-93 for next year.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

NJ: Tkachuk, Sogaard
Ott: Dawson Mercer, Anton Silayev, Leeni Hennamaino, 1st round 2026, 2 x 2nd round picks 2024

With the cap rising fitting tkahcuk in won’t be a problem.
Include Sogaard to get rid of the salary
Don’t resign Giroux

New leadership group

Stutzle - Captain
Pinto - A
Sanderson - A
Norris - A

Use the Tkachuk money to sign a 1st line LW

If they move Brady, they will want a sure thing coming back.

I am going to call it now. Brady Tkachuk for Alexis Lafreniere. He wore #11 in Junior, and apparently Melnyk and Dorion pushed hard to try and get him in 2020 but the Rangers wanted the Stutzle pick and Tkachuk.

You can only avoid the French Canadian superstar to Ottawa timeline for so long. Gatineau and Orleans need a hero if we're ever going to stop the next generation from cheering for the Montreal Toilets.

For the Rangers, the cap works out next year since Lafreniere's big extension will kick in. So there is only about 1M difference between the two. They don't care that Tkachuk is only signed 3 more years after this season, because their window to win is now and as a world class city/org in the biggest market, they don't have to worry about Tkachuk walking.

The Senators do it because once Tkachuk's NMC kicks in, they aren't getting a piece like Lafreniere, even if that's a downgrade in the short term (although, he could surpass Tkachuk). Lafreniere is locked down for another 7 years, where as if they keep Tkachuk, even if he doesn't want out now, they have to start thinking about trading him in a season or two anyways if he won't re-sign here. Add in the marketing potential of Lafreniere when they are trying to capture the Gatineau/Orleans fanbase. Daigle 2.0 in that regard.

Lastly, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, it gets Tkachuk's wife close to New Jersey. I think if both management teams were at a crossroads, one look at her Instragram would melt their hearts and convince them to bridge the gap and get the deal done so that she could be closer to home. I know people think GMs are mainly concerned with on ice matters, but anybody who has ascended beyond being a mere "fan" and is more of an enthusiast for the management side of the game understands how important it is for the teams to create a situation where the player's wives have good vibes all around.

Most GMs have shadow Instagram accounts that they use to follow the players wives so that they can see what mantras or slogans are being posted, the moment they see a "if you can't take me at my worst you dont deserve me at my best", they know that they need might need to make a move to improve the bottom pairing D, because even if the wife doesn't know it, spouting a mantra like that on Instagram as a grown woman in 2024 is a pretty good indication that while Travis Hamonic is a respected veteran, his lower footspeed and reaction time makes it far too easy for rival teams to forecheck against him.

The above is why I would expect a Tkachuk for Lafreniere trade.

 

[DackellDuck]

I wonder

If they move Brady, they will want a sure thing coming back.

I am going to call it now. Brady Tkachuk for Alexis Lafreniere. He wore #11 in Junior, and apparently Melnyk and Dorion pushed hard to try and get him in 2020 but the Rangers wanted the Stutzle pick and Tkachuk.

You can only avoid the French Canadian superstar to Ottawa timeline for so long. Gatineau and Orleans need a hero if we're ever going to stop the next generation from cheering for the Montreal Toilets.

For the Rangers, the cap works out next year since Lafreniere's big extension will kick in. So there is only about 1M difference between the two. They don't care that Tkachuk is only signed 3 more years after this season, because their window to win is now and as a world class city/org in the biggest market, they don't have to worry about Tkachuk walking.

The Senators do it because once Tkachuk's NMC kicks in, they aren't getting a piece like Lafreniere, even if that's a downgrade in the short term (although, he could surpass Tkachuk). Lafreniere is locked down for another 7 years, where as if they keep Tkachuk, even if he doesn't want out now, they have to start thinking about trading him in a season or two anyways if he won't re-sign here. Add in the marketing potential of Lafreniere when they are trying to capture the Gatineau/Orleans fanbase. Daigle 2.0 in that regard.

Lastly, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, it gets Tkachuk's wife close to New Jersey. I think if both management teams were at a crossroads, one look at her Instragram would melt their hearts and convince them to bridge the gap and get the deal done so that she could be closer to home. I know people think GMs are mainly concerned with on ice matters, but anybody who has ascended beyond being a mere "fan" and is more of an enthusiast for the management side of the game understands how important it is for the teams to create a situation where the player's wives have good vibes all around.

Most GMs have shadow Instagram accounts that they use to follow the players wives so that they can see what mantras or slogans are being posted, the moment they see a "if you can't take me at my worst you dont deserve me at my best", they know that they need might need to make a move to improve the bottom pairing D, because even if the wife doesn't know it, spouting a mantra like that on Instagram as a grown woman in 2024 is a pretty good indication that while Travis Hamonic is a respected veteran, his lower footspeed and reaction time makes it far too easy for rival teams to forecheck against him.

The above is why I would expect a Tkachuk for Lafreniere trade.

If we're talking NY and a big name in return... I think the Islanders and Barzal would be more likely...

 

[DackellDuck]

If you could get ~1.5M of retention on Karlsson to equalize salaries... would you trade the Chabot - Zub pairing for the Pettersson - Karlsson pairing straight up?

It'll never happen but that'd be a fun shake up trade between two teams that are stuck in the abyss.

Probably doesn't do anything for either though other than make headlines.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I wonder


If we're talking NY and a big name in return... I think the Islanders and Barzal would be more likely...

Islanders would drive Barzal to the airport for that. He isn't what we need.

Lafreniere is a high compete player with upside to score more in a system where he is the #1 guy like Brady is here. In an absolute worst case scenario, we're getting a playoff style top 6 winger who will be highly marketable to a portion of the market that the team is trying to capture.

 

[DackellDuck]

Islanders would drive Barzal to the airport for that. He isn't what we need.

Lafreniere is a high compete player with upside to score more in a system where he is the #1 guy like Brady is here. In an absolute worst case scenario, we're getting a playoff style top 6 winger who will be highly marketable to a portion of the market that the team is trying to capture.

Why do the Rangers make that trade?

Also, I'd argue the team needs more pure skill than "high-compete".

 

[ChurchOfAlfie]

If they move Brady, they will want a sure thing coming back.

I am going to call it now. Brady Tkachuk for Alexis Lafreniere. He wore #11 in Junior, and apparently Melnyk and Dorion pushed hard to try and get him in 2020 but the Rangers wanted the Stutzle pick and Tkachuk.

You can only avoid the French Canadian superstar to Ottawa timeline for so long. Gatineau and Orleans need a hero if we're ever going to stop the next generation from cheering for the Montreal Toilets.

For the Rangers, the cap works out next year since Lafreniere's big extension will kick in. So there is only about 1M difference between the two. They don't care that Tkachuk is only signed 3 more years after this season, because their window to win is now and as a world class city/org in the biggest market, they don't have to worry about Tkachuk walking.

The Senators do it because once Tkachuk's NMC kicks in, they aren't getting a piece like Lafreniere, even if that's a downgrade in the short term (although, he could surpass Tkachuk). Lafreniere is locked down for another 7 years, where as if they keep Tkachuk, even if he doesn't want out now, they have to start thinking about trading him in a season or two anyways if he won't re-sign here. Add in the marketing potential of Lafreniere when they are trying to capture the Gatineau/Orleans fanbase. Daigle 2.0 in that regard.

Lastly, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, it gets Tkachuk's wife close to New Jersey. I think if both management teams were at a crossroads, one look at her Instragram would melt their hearts and convince them to bridge the gap and get the deal done so that she could be closer to home. I know people think GMs are mainly concerned with on ice matters, but anybody who has ascended beyond being a mere "fan" and is more of an enthusiast for the management side of the game understands how important it is for the teams to create a situation where the player's wives have good vibes all around.

Most GMs have shadow Instagram accounts that they use to follow the players wives so that they can see what mantras or slogans are being posted, the moment they see a "if you can't take me at my worst you dont deserve me at my best", they know that they need might need to make a move to improve the bottom pairing D, because even if the wife doesn't know it, spouting a mantra like that on Instagram as a grown woman in 2024 is a pretty good indication that while Travis Hamonic is a respected veteran, his lower footspeed and reaction time makes it far too easy for rival teams to forecheck against him.

The above is why I would expect a Tkachuk for Lafreniere trade.

I liked this post in part because it does seem like a somewhat reasonable Tkachuk trade, if ever we get there, but mostly because I got a kick out of imagining Lou Lamoriello watching instagram stories and trying to figure out what the memes mean.

 

[HSF]

moving brady, chabot, sanderson or stuztle would be such a backwards move.

Norris should be the prime target if he keeps improving

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Why do the Rangers make that trade?

Also, I'd argue the team needs more pure skill than "high-compete".

Brady Tkachuk is one of the premier power forwards in the league and is signed to what is now a below-market value cap hit. They don't need him to come in and be the #1 leader on the team, they already have a veteran leadership core established. It's not a trade they need to make, but it's essentially a free upgrade for them.

Realistically, players never get close to full value like that so I would only expect that kind of value back in a best case scenario. I do think if the Senators trade Brady, they are going to want to get back at least one piece that is a known quantity or close to a sure thing. I don't think that they want to go into another 5-10 year rebuild either.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

moving brady, chabot, sanderson or stuztle would be such a backwards move.

Norris should be the prime target if he keeps improving

backwards is running the same thing and expecting different results.

everything but these players has been changed and it aint norris fault either.