Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[HoweHullOrr]

So you're saying Peter Jackson is going to help us get Karlsson back?

I enjoyed that. Thanks for sharing that video.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Every man has his price. Will they eat half and throw in a pick for us to take him? Then I would honestly think about it. Maybe get another team to eat some more as well. Sure.

The maximum Karlsson's contract can be retained to is 5M. Contract retention can only be done twice.

Pittsburgh is not going to package a pick with him. I could see them giving him away for "free" and taking back bad contracts that aren't buyout proof. But including a pick would go against their goal, which is apparently to rebuild their pool of assets.

The problem is that we don't have any obvious bad contracts to move for Karlsson, and we don't have the cap flexibility to add player that isn't a direct need for 5M. If we still had Korpisalo, Karlsson @ 5M for Korpisalo @ 4M and an asset would make sense even if we don't outright need Karlsson.

 

[bicboi64]

The problem is that we don't have any obvious bad contracts to move for Karlsson, and we don't have the cap flexibility to add player that isn't a direct need for 5M. If we still had Korpisalo, Karlsson @ 5M for Korpisalo @ 4M and an asset would make sense even if we don't outright need Karlsson.

It's been so long since we've been able to say something like this lol

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Oooh a Beatles reference!

We were robbed of a reunion, especially with Lennon's solo work being so underwhelming and a waste of time imo, but Wings was so incredible that I'm glad they broke up. Criminally underrated catalogue, even though it is still revered, and really extends the Beatles experience more than any of their solo work.

Yes, would have been really interesting to see that band keep going and producing music. They (Beatles) were prodigious. McCartney, Lennon & Harrison together were greater than the sum of their parts. So, it would been interesting to see what they would have produced if they kept going and technology advanced.

You might have noticed that I slid a Stones reference in there as well.

 

[Beech]

The maximum Karlsson's contract can be retained to is 5M. Contract retention can only be done twice.

Pittsburgh is not going to package a pick with him. I could see them giving him away for "free" and taking back bad contracts that aren't buyout proof. But including a pick would go against their goal, which is apparently to rebuild their pool of assets.

The problem is that we don't have any obvious bad contracts to move for Karlsson, and we don't have the cap flexibility to add player that isn't a direct need for 5M. If we still had Korpisalo, Karlsson @ 5M for Korpisalo @ 4M and an asset would make sense even if we don't outright need Karlsson.

when you correct for games played, the Sens are 2/3 in the division for "goals for" and 2/3 for "goals against."

why do we need a guy who can score, but may be a defensive liability. All it would really do is lower one and only raise the other a trickle.

 

[UglyPuckling]

The maximum Karlsson's contract can be retained to is 5M. Contract retention can only be done twice.

Pittsburgh is not going to package a pick with him. I could see them giving him away for "free" and taking back bad contracts that aren't buyout proof. But including a pick would go against their goal, which is apparently to rebuild their pool of assets.

The problem is that we don't have any obvious bad contracts to move for Karlsson, and we don't have the cap flexibility to add player that isn't a direct need for 5M. If we still had Korpisalo, Karlsson @ 5M for Korpisalo @ 4M and an asset would make sense even if we don't outright need Karlsson.

Kind of interesting how a lack of reflection (understanding, consideration, whatever) and common sense seem to work hand-in-hand for some. I’m just not getting the idea of Karlsson to Ottawa either except for the pure nostalgia element I suppose.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Don't see how we can make Karlsson work anytime soon. Maybe if there's a good chunk of retention in the summer of 2027 or he gets bought out and we sign him for cheap as a UFA.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Kind of interesting how a lack of reflection (understanding, consideration, whatever) and common sense seem to work hand-in-hand for some. I’m just not getting the idea of Karlsson to Ottawa either except for the pure nostalgia element I suppose.

I think you have to take trade thread talk with a grain of salt, especially this time of year when there are nearly no rumours or traction with trades.

As in, people will discuss every possible rumour or available player and see how we could acquire them, but that doesn't always mean that they actually think we should. I think it's more of a thought exercise. People aren't always going to preface their ideas with "I know this isn't what we need but he is rumoured to be available let's see how this works for fun."

As far as Karlsson goes, I think it's kind of like your first serious high school girlfriend. You remember the fun you had running around in the summer, all the big firsts. You have a place for them in your heart, and maybe sometimes you catch yourself thinking about them every few years, but if you ran into them at the Rideau Center you wouldn't seriously want to pursue a relationship with them. You know that it was something of the time that cannot be recaptured but sometimes it's fun to browse their Facebook at 2AM and cry.

Don't see how we can make Karlsson work anytime soon. Maybe if there's a good chunk of retention in the summer of 2027 or he gets bought out and we sign him for cheap as a UFA.

The only way he is coming back is if Brady leaves and they need a marketing angle to keep season ticket holders excited, or at the end of his contract on a Spezza to Toronto type deal where it doesn't matter if we need him because he is coming in at 1M per.

Staios is too deliberate with the kind of players he adds and the kind of roles that he tries to fill. Look at the Jensen acquisition (fits our exact position of need, even if it wasn't the sexiest pickup at the time) vs Dorion adding Debrincat (blocked by Brady) and Chychrun (Blocked by Sanderson+Chabot).

 

[Beech]

Don't see how we can make Karlsson work anytime soon. Maybe if there's a good chunk of retention in the summer of 2027 or he gets bought out and we sign him for cheap as a UFA.

why the obsession. He is no longer the Karlsson that left here.

He is 34, has slowed. Was a -26 when he scored those 101 points 2 years ago.

what is left of the guy, belongs on some team that uses him on the powerplay, pays him 3-5 M and plays him 16-17 min. And is a stone's throw away from a cup.

At the moment, with his salary. It is not possible.

In 2-3 years, he will be 36 and 37, and what may be left?

 

[Hale The Villain]

It's been so long since we've been able to say something like this lol

And it's been so long since we had so few glaring weaknesses on the roster.

Could use some depth at RD and insurance at LD, but other than that I don't see much wrong with the lineup that is worth trading picks/prospects to improve.

Which is good because we don't really have much to trade in that regard after Dorion sold so much of the team's future on shortsighted acquisitions.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

why the obsession. He is no longer the Karlsson that left here.

He is 34, has slowed. Was a -26 when he scored those 101 points 2 years ago.

what is left of the guy, belongs on some team that uses him on the powerplay, pays him 3-5 M and plays him 16-17 min. And is a stone's throw away from a cup.

At the moment, with his salary. It is not possible.

In 2-3 years, he will be 36 and 37, and what may be left?

I think it has more to do with the fact that he's still decent and obviously wants to come here. The only reason I'd trade for him in a couple years is if Jensen declines and/or leaves and we have a hole at RD. I'm not going to prematurely pencil in Yakemchuk there right now.

 

[UglyPuckling]

I think you have to take trade thread talk with a grain of salt, especially this time of year when there are nearly no rumours or traction with trades.

As in, people will discuss every possible rumour or available player and see how we could acquire them, but that doesn't always mean that they actually think we should. I think it's more of a thought exercise. People aren't always going to preface their ideas with "I know this isn't what we need but he is rumoured to be available let's see how this works for fun."

As far as Karlsson goes, I think it's kind of like your first serious high school girlfriend. You remember the fun you had running around in the summer, all the big firsts. You have a place for them in your heart, and maybe sometimes you catch yourself thinking about them every few years, but if you ran into them at the Rideau Center you wouldn't seriously want to pursue a relationship with them. You know that it was something of the time that cannot be recaptured but sometimes it's fun to browse their Facebook at 2AM and cry.

Yes, some (many?) trade posts could be fantasy type trade proposals. In fact, I’ve asked that question before a number of times including in the threads that are specifically focused on rosters and cap (for this year, next year, etc.). Its when you see posts that talk about adding a $2.5 m cap hit for a player off of waivers and adding that player to our current 3rd pairing that make it difficult to tell and make you wonder. Just using that as an example as there’s plenty of them floating around.

Hell, if it's fantasy focused, then I’d like to add McDavid and pay him the league minimum $750 k. It could get farcical pretty quickly.

 

[Beech]

I think it has more to do with the fact that he's still decent and obviously wants to come here. The only reason I'd trade for him in a couple years is if Jensen declines and/or leaves and we have a hole at RD. I'm not going to prematurely pencil in Yakemchuk there right now.

Okay, but you may be trading one faded veteran for another. ( as in spots, not a team to team trade)

Remember Jansen did not have half his Achilles heel sliced off. Karlsson is probably a ticking time bomb.

Now by 2026/2027, Yak. will be 21. I get you skill development wise, it may be risky. But, still better than a veteran on one leg.

And the 2026 RFAs have a solid 8 - 10 Dmen of reasonable ago. I don't know if RD or LD. By 2026/2027 most of the covid contracts (5,6,7 or 8 years) will be ending or approaching an end.

2026 NHL Free Agents

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[bicboi64]

Which is good because we don't really have much to trade in that regard after Dorion sold so much of the team's future on shortsighted acquisitions.

We'll be missing a first rounder this year or next year, don't have next years 2nd, and don't have prospects to trade. Yakemchuk is untouchable right now, Halliday, Sebrango, Andonovski & Ostapchuk are the only prospects of value but at this point I feel its better to let them cook and start having some cheap elc talent to help out in a year or two if we get injuries than moving them. Plus no one is giving us an upgrade on RD for any of those guys.

Really hope the current roster can make some noise while we try to replenish assets.

 

[BondraTime]

We'll be missing a first rounder this year or next year, don't have next years 2nd, and don't have prospects to trade. Yakemchuk is untouchable right now, Halliday, Sebrango, Andonovski & Ostapchuk are the only prospects of value but at this point I feel its better to let them cook and start having some cheap elc talent to help out in a year or two if we get injuries than moving them. Plus no one is giving us an upgrade on RD for any of those guys.

Really hope the current roster can make some noise while we try to replenish assets.

Ostapchuk is the only guy there who has value. The others are just contracts to even out deals.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

And it's been so long since we had so few glaring weaknesses on the roster.

Could use some depth at RD and insurance at LD, but other than that I don't see much wrong with the lineup that is worth trading picks/prospects to improve.

Which is good because we don't really have much to trade in that regard after Dorion sold so much of the team's future on shortsighted acquisitions.

Going forward we should be drafting a couple long RDs with some strong defensive/shutdown abilities to have in the pipeline. This draft has a couple .

 

[Beech]

We'll be missing a first rounder this year or next year, don't have next years 2nd, and don't have prospects to trade. Yakemchuk is untouchable right now, Halliday, Sebrango, Andonovski & Ostapchuk are the only prospects of value but at this point I feel its better to let them cook and start having some cheap elc talent to help out in a year or two if we get injuries than moving them. Plus no one is giving us an upgrade on RD for any of those guys.

Really hope the current roster can make some noise while we try to replenish assets.

A bit of a misnomer. ELC starts at 20 when you are in the minors. a YEAR can be burnt if you come out of college and play a handful of games.

So at 21, it is year 2. If a player comes up at 22, he is in year 3 and you have 1 season to judge. Then a bridge deal, or a Collin White situation.

The reality is: get guys here quickly and use up as much of the 3 years as possible to properly evaluate.

The days of over cooking are gone. And have been for a while.

 

[thinkwild]

Crosby? I would say he has it in spades.

Yeah i was trying to cover myself there by saying any of the available Penguins vets since i know they said he wasnt available for trade. He'd be perfect, even at his age.

EK though, its not a money thing. Even if we could get him on a league minimum contract, which i dont think we can, i wouldnt want him. Im still a fan though.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I am probably biggest Karlsson fan ever.

He is not the guy to get anymore. I love you, EK, but that ship has sailed. Fair well, dear captain.

 

[2CHAINZ]

I am probably biggest Karlsson fan ever.

He is not the guy to get anymore. I love you, EK, but that ship has sailed. Fair well, dear captain.

Ya, I am probably right up there with you. As great of a story as it would be with Chabot playing well, there just isn't a spot for him anymore, even at 50% retained.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Ya, I am probably right up there with you. As great of a story as it would be with Chabot playing well, there just isn't a spot for him anymore, even at 50% retained.

Ya, I pushed the idea for a bit too, or at least tried to argue there was some merit to the idea, but the whole idea was predicated on a Chabot for Karlsson swap, which at this point would be ridiculous with the way Chabot is playing.

Karlsson was fun, and it's still f*** the last regime, but time to move on until we retire his number or something.

 

[LiseL]

Doubt it. Preds already have 3 firsts and 2 seconds next year - they're in win now(ish) mode with those signings. They need to improve their bottom 6 fwds and bottom 3 D in a bad way (Lauzon getting top 4 minutes is not a recipe for success), plus Sissons and Novak are hurt so they are weak down the middle. If anything, Trotz is likely to be the one dealing draft picks this year despite him stating he'll let the young guys play. The Sens could likely cash in on that if they wanted to, but to what benefit?

Dreger today in the pre-game show said he expects Nashville to be buyers after Thanksgiving/trade deadline as they have a lot of draft capital and prospect pool. From what I've read, they seem to have too many shooters, not enough playmakers or players who can get them the puck.

 

[LiseL]

I doubt they will but, IF the Islanders decide to blow it up

To Ottawa:
Mat Barzal

To Islanders
2025 1st
Greig

Although I dunno what the rules would be with trading a 1st given the league penalty on us.

It would have to be unprotected as it would mean that we're giving up the 2026 1st rounder.

 

[LiseL]

Don't see how we can make Karlsson work anytime soon. Maybe if there's a good chunk of retention in the summer of 2027 or he gets bought out and we sign him for cheap as a UFA.

Yeah, that's what I think too. If he'd do a Spezza deal and sign here for minimum. Imagine Alfie being one of his coaches. Then they could retire his jersey once he retires. Or maybe they do what they did with Alfie, sign him to one day contract when he retires. I think he'll be a HHOFamer with his 3 Norris trophies. The only way he isn't is if you can't get in unless you've won a championships (SC or Olympics gold).

On a sidenote, it's interesting that Alfie and Karlsson have made Ottawa their home. I wonder if that will be the case for Ullmark once he retires. Swedes really seem to like it here.

 

[Blotto71]

Dreger today in the pre-game show said he expects Nashville to be buyers after Thanksgiving/trade deadline as they have a lot of draft capital and prospect pool. From what I've read, they seem to have too many shooters, not enough playmakers or players who can get them the puck.

Seems about right. Trotz is not going to be okay being last!