Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Good in Osgoode]

Greig is a perfect fit as a guy who should ideally be a winger when everyone is healthy, but can step in if Norris gets injured again.

Don't see any reason to consider trading him, unless some team is willing to overpay big time.

Yeah, there is no reason for us to be considering trading either one of Greig or Pinto.
Their value to the team is just going to continue to increase.

 

[GCK]

Such Dorionesque suggestions.

 

[Bileur]

Such Dorionesque suggestions.

We don’t need Demelo, we have JBD coming up.

 

[Hale The Villain]

We don’t need Demelo, we have JBD coming up.

Remember when he signed Zub to a 2 year deal, walking him to UFA , because he thought Thomson and JBD would be top 4 D by then and could replace an obviously over-the-hill Zub at 28 years of age

Still blows my mind to this day.

 

[JD1]

I think guys here are over thinking this.

I kinda view players as mostly assets or liabilities, and that's influence by contract because of the cap.

Greig and Pinto are definitely assets. The only real potential heavy liability up front might be Perron if he declines significantly. But even if he is a 35 point hard nosed 3rd line vet, he's not a huge liability

Our big liability is Chabot.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Well then odds are he will a DEFInITELY be asking for a trade because the odds of us are winning are incredibly low. Canadian team hasn’ t won in 30 + years

Right, because we are Canadian we somehow have significantly lower odds. I don't really buy it other than a small disadvantage due to the UFA variable. Good thing for us, we're built through the draft and won't be relying as much on attracting UFA's.

Try this logic though- if you make the finals, winning the cup becomes a coin toss. Agree? Since 2000 five Canadian teams have made the finals, which is one every 5 years, or 20% of the time. During that time Canadian franchises have made up 20% of the league. So Canadian franchises are batting exactly what they should be, we just arent winning the coin flip in the finals.

As for Greig, he won't be asking for a trade as an RFA if he is playing wing, thats a big conclusion to jump to. Anyway, dumb argument. We have centre depth and yes, I agree that at some point we may be using a centreman as trade bait (emphasis on may be). I just don't think we should be in any rush to do that.

 

[Big Muddy]

I said number 1 centers moving over to wing in their prime is not common. Because I was responding to a post that implied we can have all 4 of stutzle moves over to wing.

Right. So. If he blows up. Will have to deal one. Likely.

If he doesn’t blow up. We got a ok to good maybe winger slash center. And might not be worth much in a trade.

Which is what brings me to my point now. Now I’m maybe in veeerrrry wrong and his value is not that high around the league (I do think that maybe we the fans like Greig way more than the rest of the league does)

But. Swapping Greig in the next couple seasons for a solid young d man to replace chabot in the next couple years…. It’s. A play

4 Stutzles all on the same team and all wingers would be even more interesting than the three Plager brothers who played for the Blues.

 

[OD99]

No, you expressed how dumb an idea it was and just ran on with your opinion. Now you are discussing it, but still not without tossing around insults.

What insult?

Hope that offends your sensabilities you big meanie!

Huh? I take it this is a joke?

But yes, to reinforce it. Personally, I think it would be dumb to trade one of our top 3 C.

Maybe there is an amazing deal out there, but to suggest we need to evaluate a trade, just because, seems I'll conceived to me.

 

[OD99]

Remember when he signed Zub to a 2 year deal, walking him to UFA , because he thought Thomson and JBD would be top 4 D by then and could replace an obviously over-the-hill Zub at 28 years of age

Still blows my mind to this day.

This is such an underrated part of the GMPD lore.

All the more incredible when they didn't play Zub for 7 or 8 games because Zaitsev was such a good D.

The first game Zub played it was obvious he was one of our best D.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Why would you trade Grieg.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Why would you trade Grieg.

The only person who would trade him is the guy whose girlfriend he stole from the other thread.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

The only person who would trade him is the guy whose girlfriend he stole from the other thread.

Only single lonely guys would want to trade Grieg

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Only single lonely guys would want to trade Grieg

Morgan Reilly is married though.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Morgan Reilly is married though.

He would cross check his wife in the face if she ever tried to leave.

 

[GCK]

I think guys here are over thinking this.

I kinda view players as mostly assets or liabilities, and that's influence by contract because of the cap.

Greig and Pinto are definitely assets. The only real potential heavy liability up front might be Perron if he declines significantly. But even if he is a 35 point hard nosed 3rd line vet, he's not a huge liability

Our big liability is Chabot.

Chabot is playing at a 5-6M dollar value and improving. I doubt we could find a replacement for him under 7M.

 

[JD1]

This is such an underrated part of the GMPD lore.

All the more incredible when they didn't play Zub for 7 or 8 games because Zaitsev was such a good D.

The first game Zub played it was obvious he was one of our best D.

Revising history is such a big part of hf sens.

When we signed Zub and thru that camp, I recall myself and one other poster saying "watch out for Zub"

I even recall debating a prominent contributor to hf sens whose view was the Zub would not ever be the player that zaitsev was.

Guys on this site we're definitely not clamouring to get Zub into the lineup

 

[JD1]

Chabot is playing at a 5-6M dollar value and improving. I doubt we could find a replacement for him under 7M.

There's 15 D on this list between 6.5-7.5. How many would you take in place of Chabot?

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[Micklebot]

Revising history is such a big part of hf sens.

When we signed Zub and thru that camp, I recall myself and one other poster saying "watch out for Zub"

I even recall debating a prominent contributor to hf sens whose view was the Zub would not ever be the player that zaitsev was.

Guys on this site we're definitely not clamouring to get Zub into the lineup

I mean, yes and no.

Not a lot of people immediately saw him as a top 4 option or anything, he was a big unknown, but...

This was at a time where we were playing Reilly, Coburn, Gudbranson, Zaitsev, J.Brown, and Wolainin depending on the game, we went through a 6 game losing streak before getting him in, so people were clamouring for any change by that point.

 

[Micklebot]

There's 15 D on this list between 6.5-7.5. How many would you take in place of Chabot?

2024 NHL Salary Rankings

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The more important question is how many that you would take over him are realistically available, because no team is going to let go of a top 4 D on a good contract.

 

[DrEasy]

Revising history is such a big part of hf sens.

When we signed Zub and thru that camp, I recall myself and one other poster saying "watch out for Zub"

I even recall debating a prominent contributor to hf sens whose view was the Zub would not ever be the player that zaitsev was.

Guys on this site we're definitely not clamouring to get Zub into the lineup

I wouldn't put any stock in anyone here who would claim to know whether Zub would be good or bad before he played an in-season game for us. Different story when it comes to management, who presumably should know who it is they acquired.

 

[OD99]

Revising history is such a big part of hf sens.

When we signed Zub and thru that camp, I recall myself and one other poster saying "watch out for Zub"

I even recall debating a prominent contributor to hf sens whose view was the Zub would not ever be the player that zaitsev was.

Guys on this site we're definitely not clamouring to get Zub into the lineup

I'm not sure I get what you are saying?

That you and only 1 other person thought Zub was good and the rest didn't?

Good for you, I guess? Everything that I read and saw on video showed he had some game. That's not the point though.

The coaches and management that signed him should have seen something in camp and practice to indicate he should be in the lineup.

It was startling to see how good he was when they finally inserted him to the lineup. To the point most wondered what the F the coaches were seeing earlier.

The comments about him being a placeholder was just piling more garbage onto the steaming pile that had already accumulated.

 

[TheNewEra]

I think guys here are over thinking this.

I kinda view players as mostly assets or liabilities, and that's influence by contract because of the cap.

Greig and Pinto are definitely assets. The only real potential heavy liability up front might be Perron if he declines significantly. But even if he is a 35 point hard nosed 3rd line vet, he's not a huge liability

Our big liability is Chabot.

i get what your saying but at this stage i dont think we have any liabilities (really weird to type that out to be honest)

closest to being a liability
chabot - before the cap got bumped up he was probably 1 million overpaid, now its closer to half a million and with the expected cap bump his contract should remain decent even if he declines slightly. If the play falls off a cliff thats a different conversation

forsberg - has started off this season doing decently well, if he keeps it up he is off the list especially due to the lack of term but he was as close to being a liability as possible

hamonic - same thing as forsberg

amadio - it is a bit concerning that even though he has been solid defensively there has been no offensive production out of him. Wasnt expecting him to be a 40 point guy but he should have a couple points by now. Its not the most expensive deal so maybe with the cap going up he can be considered a defensive specialist but it is risky

 

[GCK]

There's 15 D on this list between 6.5-7.5. How many would you take in place of Chabot?

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Of the ones that might be available ? None

 

[JD1]

I'm not sure I get what you are saying?

That you and only 1 other person thought Zub was good and the rest didn't?

Good for you, I guess? Everything that I read and saw on video showed he had some game. That's not the point though.

The coaches and management that signed him should have seen something in camp and practice to indicate he should be in the lineup.

It was startling to see how good he was when they finally inserted him to the lineup. To the point most wondered what the F the coaches were seeing earlier.

The comments about him being a placeholder was just piling more garbage onto the steaming pile that had already accumulated.

I'd never seen Zub play. I'd watched video and heard Button talk about him. Based on that, thought he might be something. But nobody here was talking him up.

There was a very limited camp because of COVID and he couldn't speak English. It certainly wasn't a case of having an extended look at him or even being able to talk to him.

I'm not surprised they were slow to put him in. He certainly wasn't the first time a coach's hand was forced and then it turns out they really lucked into something.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

There's 15 D on this list between 6.5-7.5. How many would you take in place of Chabot?

2024 NHL Salary Rankings

Listing the top salaries, cap hits, cash, earnings, contracts, and bonuses, for all active NHL players.

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I think this is a flawed way to look at it, because it doesn't account for there being players who make less than Chabot who people would rather have.

For better or worse, Chabot is overpaid. I think it's okay to acknowledge this but also acknowledge that there isn't always a perfect scenario where if Chabot wasn't here, we would have a great 6M per #3 defenseman.

If given the chance to go back in time and instead of doing something important to change history, my only goal was to help the Ottawa Senators, I would not undo the contract. I think it was a good gamble at the time and it was very important to show they could keep young stars as a goodwill gesture to the fanbase after so many stars left. Even if Chabot isn't an 8M player (9.5M real money AAV) in 2025 and beyond, I think that the team got good value out of the contract with all the minutes Chabot ate up during the rebuild and with the goodwill the signing created with a very dejected fanbase.

The cap also stalled due to reasons outside of the control of Senators management, the COVID outbreak. It was reasonable to expect when they signed Chabot that the cap hit would age nicely as the cap ceiling inflated. Eugene Melnyk and Pierre Dorion also did not cause the COVID outbreak (as far as we know), and the league operating at a loss during COVID is a big reason why Chabot is overpaid. Had COVID never happened, we would be at a 100M+ salary cap, and Chabot's cap hit would be fine.