Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Both are American. I must be missing a joke..???

Anyway, no one should want Kaliyev. He is lazy and one dimensional and in a sense represents everything SS is trying to correct on this team. Bringing him in, even if for free, would be a step backward.

You're right, he is American. Sometimes I get him and Matt Puempel mixed up.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The time to get Kaliyev has passed imo unless he comes as a pure dump and we are willing to make him an extra and have macewen in the minors

We need a more proven forward and a more proven dman. Only way we should go for potential is if it's actually a high potential player like mcgroarty

Kaliyev's potential is pretty high. He also isn't your prototypical small forward who scores. He has size and can be engaged physically at times.

We really don't have a lot of depth at forward. If he is available for something like a third round pick or a B prospect and he is willing to sign a cheap 1 year deal to bridge himself to arbitration, he wouldn't be a bad addition.

There are going to be injuries and he is someone who can play on the PP or possibly be positioned as a complimentary guy on a more offensive line if one of the legit top 6 is hurt.

I wouldn't go out and give up major assets for him, but I doubt he will be expensive at this point.

We need NHL level forwards and defensemen on cheap contracts for depth. They aren't as easy to find at 1M per, especially for a Canadian team.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Anyways, back on topic

 

[thinkwild]

 

[TheNewEra]

Kaliyev's potential is pretty high. He also isn't your prototypical small forward who scores. He has size and can be engaged physically at times.

We really don't have a lot of depth at forward. If he is available for something like a third round pick or a B prospect and he is willing to sign a cheap 1 year deal to bridge himself to arbitration, he wouldn't be a bad addition.

There are going to be injuries and he is someone who can play on the PP or possibly be positioned as a complimentary guy on a more offensive line if one of the legit top 6 is hurt.

I wouldn't go out and give up major assets for him, but I doubt he will be expensive at this point.

We need NHL level forwards and defensemen on cheap contracts for depth. They aren't as easy to find at 1M per, especially for a Canadian team.

Its not about hitting for me (as much). He is about to start his 4th full season, is coming off a season of 15 pts (on pace for 24), isnt fully established in terms of a role and will probably require 1.5 million per in his next contract.

Dont know if we should be the team to give him that contract as we most likely have to sign 2 forwards and a dman with our remaining cap and that puts us towards signing players for minimum to fill out the team. If we are spending a larger allotment of a remaining cap it should be for a dman.

Now if he is willing to sign for the minimum (or at least under 1 million) then i have no problem getting him to come and fight it out

Right now for forwards we have 4 roster spots open (entire 4th line and extra forward) and i rather there be a full on competition for that spot instead of salary dictating it (unless that salary leads to an established forward or someone with elite potential)

 

[Golden_Jet]

I'm thinking Kaliyev should get a 3rd, just like Shane Prince back in the day. Both are Russian scoring wingers who showed some element of proficiency in the NHL but were criticized for having more of a 1-way type game. Prince returned to Russia a few years after being traded, but he had his moments.

Prince is American I thought.

You're right, he is American. Sometimes I get him and Matt Puempel mixed up.

Puempel is from Ontario

 

[Senator Stanley]

Prince is American I thought.


Puempel is from Ontario

None of Prince, Puempel or even Kaliyev is Russian.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Kings Rumors: 5 Teams Connected to Arthur Kaliyev

Los Angeles Kings forward Arthur Kaliyev has yet to be traded, but that is expected to change soon. The young winger wants out of Los Angele...

www.nhltraderumors.me

Dude is a waiver wire pick up at this point. Wouldn't trade anything for him.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

My pet peeve is when people spell player names wrong. I already know it’s going to be a long year with the “Klevin” situation.

Agreed. While at the same time declaring how good, or bad, that player is.

As for Klevin I'm 100% confident that he'll be a modern day Jared Cowan, with a dash Shea Webber. Maybe throw in a bit of Hal Gil and we're good to go!

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

None of Prince, Puempel or even Kaliyev is Russian.

Kaliyev scores and plays big. He is a good old Canadian boy from the Tashkent region of Ontario.

I don't know why people are messing with me and trying to say Puempel isn't Russian.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Dude is a waiver wire pick up at this point. Wouldn't trade anything for him.

He would be claimed in a second on waivers by teams ahead of us.

The issue is likely that he doesn't have a lot of value, and the Kings want something of value for him. A 3rd is fine but pushing it. In a perfect world we would get him for a swap of another reclamation project we don't value, like JBD. Although, it's looking like we might need him on defense with our lack of NHL depth.

Reclamation projects, especially scorers, sometimes work out. You have to keep in mind that we have almost no depth, and almost no cap space. This wouldn't be a Jenik type situation, where we roll the dice and if he is assigned to the AHL who cares. This is closer to Brannstrom going to Colorado. Kaliyev has almost 200 NHL games. This would be acquiring a player who on our team would be a lock for the NHL and likely sign a cheap 1 year deal.

Sending LAK one of our goalie prospects makes sense. That seems to be a position of weakness in their system. If we sign Ullmark, then there is a ceiling on a prospect like Sogaard, whose value likely isn't super high right now anyways. I would want to get Kaliyev for less than Sogaard, but Sogaard for Kaliyev seems like a fair swap.

 

[Senator Stanley]

He would be claimed in a second on waivers by teams ahead of us.

The issue is likely that he doesn't have a lot of value, and the Kings want something of value for him. A 3rd is fine but pushing it. In a perfect world we would get him for a swap of another reclamation project we don't value, like JBD. Although, it's looking like we might need him on defense with our lack of NHL depth.

Reclamation projects, especially scorers, sometimes work out. You have to keep in mind that we have almost no depth, and almost no cap space. This wouldn't be a Jenik type situation, where we roll the dice and if he is assigned to the AHL who cares. This is closer to Brannstrom going to Colorado. Kaliyev has almost 200 NHL games. This would be acquiring a player who on our team would be a lock for the NHL and likely sign a cheap 1 year deal.

Sending LAK one of our goalie prospects makes sense. That seems to be a position of weakness in their system. If we sign Ullmark, then there is a ceiling on a prospect like Sogaard, whose value likely isn't super high right now anyways. I would want to get Kaliyev for less than Sogaard, but Sogaard for Kaliyev seems like a fair swap.

I wouldn't trade - or ever discuss - any of a 3rd, JBD or Sogaard for Kaliyev.

Personally I wouldn't bother with Kaliyev at all, but in terms of value, I'd say he's worth a late round pick. You're basically paying to jump to the front of the waiver line.

 

[HSF]

Kaliyev is another Kubalik. Soft

Bring players who have an edge and can play at both ends of the ice

 

[BoardsofCanada]

I wouldn't trade - or ever discuss - any of a 3rd, JBD or Sogaard for Kaliyev.

Personally I wouldn't bother with Kaliyev at all, but in terms of value, I'd say he's worth a late round pick. You're basically paying to jump to the front of the waiver line.

The only reason I can think of why Staios would be interested Kaliyev as a possible shooting replacement for Norris if Norris is not back.

 

[SpezDispenser]

The only reason I can think of why Staios would be interested Kaliyev as a possible shooting replacement for Norris if Norris is not back.

Screw it, no more dumpster diving. Just put Perron or Batherson or Armadillo or someone there

 

[PlayOn]

The only reason I can think of why Staios would be interested Kaliyev as a possible shooting replacement for Norris if Norris is not back.

Our top 6 is already on the slower side and pretty poor defensively. I can’t see a world where subbing in Kaliyev for Norris, even temporarily, would work even a little bit. On the PP you might as well just use Pinto in Norris’ spot.

 

[kinghock]

I wouldn't trade - or ever discuss - any of a 3rd, JBD or Sogaard for Kaliyev.

Personally I wouldn't bother with Kaliyev at all, but in terms of value, I'd say he's worth a late round pick. You're basically paying to jump to the front of the waiver line.

5 teams: Dallas Stars, Montreal Canadiens, San Jose Sharks, Buffalo Sabres, and Ottawa Senators are all connected to Kaliyev.
Low offer from Ottawa will not be accepted by LA, because Ottawa is not only one team which is interested in Kaliev.

 

[Golden_Jet]

5 teams: Dallas Stars, Montreal Canadiens, San Jose Sharks, Buffalo Sabres, and Ottawa Senators are all connected to Kaliyev.
Low offer from Ottawa will not be accepted by LA, because Ottawa is not only one team which is interested in Kaliev.

That’s good to hear, since not wanted.

 

[Senscore]

5 teams: Dallas Stars, Montreal Canadiens, San Jose Sharks, Buffalo Sabres, and Ottawa Senators are all connected to Kaliyev.
Low offer from Ottawa will not be accepted by LA, because Ottawa is not only one team which is interested in Kaliev.

So it'll be a low offer from someone else then.


Ok.

 

[SpezDispenser]

5 teams: Dallas Stars, Montreal Canadiens, San Jose Sharks, Buffalo Sabres, and Ottawa Senators are all connected to Kaliyev.
Low offer from Ottawa will not be accepted by LA, because Ottawa is not only one team which is interested in Kaliev.

Ok, we'll move on. Thanks anyway!

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If the Kings were getting what they wanted on Kaliyev, he would be gone by now.

Whatever he is traded for will be a "low offer".

He also does not have to sign with them. If the relationship is strained, he can threaten to sit out, which helps neither side.

I suspect they asked for a 2nd or 3rd at the draft, and nobody bit - so now they are in the Kijiji "I know what I have!" mode of waiting for an offer that will never come.

If you can't move a player at the draft, let alone by the second week of July, and there isn't some sort of external complication like a NTC or a difficult cap situation to work through, there probably is not a strong market for them.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

5 teams: Dallas Stars, Montreal Canadiens, San Jose Sharks, Buffalo Sabres, and Ottawa Senators are all connected to Kaliyev.
Low offer from Ottawa will not be accepted by LA, because Ottawa is not only one team which is interested in Kaliev.

Just because multiple teams are interested doesn’t mean they will all just start out bidding eachother until you get some great return.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Some of you would never pick Hoffman for free off waivers either.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Some of you would never pick Hoffman for free off waivers either.

many wouldn’t and all didn’t.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

many wouldn’t and all didn’t.

And then they felt stupid about it.