Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[SpezDispenser]

Analysts saying we need to make a move to get us to the playoffs, but I ask: with what currency? A 1st round pick, again? One of our handful (if that) of legit prospects?

I'm failing to see an impactful trade that can help propel us into the playoffs with the resources we have.

 

[aragorn]

i do get what your saying but the issue is that we are 22nd in scoring. Adding McCarron as a secondary add for the reasons you stated i have no issue with although i still do think it wont really move the needle

we do need to add to our offense. We have a top 10 defense but we need our offense to improve both for trying to lock down a playoff spot and any playoff run. Especially if it can be someone that helps 5 on 5 because right now about 31% of our goals have come on some sort of man advantage and those opportunities will go down significantly in the playoffs

Acquiring a top six pt producer will be expensive & I doubt they want to lose anyone of value from the roster & that includes Norris IMO. Adding McCaron fixes the 4th line & gives the Sens a deterrent that keeps Brady on the ice.

Now that Perron seems to be coming around he is like adding a scoring forward & has plenty of playoff experience. IMO Ott has 3 good scoring lines when they are all healthy & it's the 4th line that needs an upgrade. All yr we have had injuries throughout the lineup & to key players which has hurt scoring production & continuity within lines & the team in general.

I think the summer will be the time to add another big piece when the UFA guys are gone & they have made a few changes & can make some more money available. Forsberg & Amadio come to mind but the Sens could also use them in a playoff push if they don't want to rely on a rookie goalie & Amadio has Cup experience as does Perron.

 

[TheNewEra]

Acquiring a top six pt producer will be expensive & I doubt they want to lose anyone of value from the roster & that includes Norris IMO. Adding McCaron fixes the 4th line & gives the Sens a deterrent that keeps Brady on the ice.

Now that Perron seems to be coming around he is like adding a scoring forward & has plenty of playoff experience. IMO Ott has 3 good scoring lines when they are all healthy & it's the 4th line that needs an upgrade. All yr we have had injuries throughout the lineup & to key players which has hurt scoring production & continuity within lines & the team in general.

I think the summer will be the time to add another big piece when the UFA guys are gone & they have made a few changes & can make some more money available. Forsberg & Amadio come to mind but the Sens could also use them in a playoff push if they don't want to rely on a rookie goalie & Amadio has Cup experience as does Perron.

top 6 would be the dream but i think getting a middle 6 forward for that third line would be beneficial. Both Grieg and Amadio havent really produced well offensively this season as they are on pace for 29 and 26 points (didnt do it exactly in terms of games missed just calculated based off 82 games). So we do need an offensive addition there someone that ideally moves amadio down. Then green can shuffle the top 9 if need be. Because having 2 guys pacing for under 30 points in the top 9 is bad.

 

[Boud]

BTW, obviously not the same thing, but everyone thought that Staios needed to trade Chychrun, Forsberg, etc. for Ullmark and there was no way we'd get rid of Korpi. Maybe the cost of Peterka wouldn't be nearly as bad as people assume.

One thing to consider with Peterka is we would need to shed some cap to make a trade like this work

He’s a RFA and pacing 70 points. With the cap figures we’ve seen for the next 3 years he’ll be making 7.5M at least I would think on a long term deal and maybe just a bit less on a bridge deal.

Then the assets it would cost to acquire him would undoubtedly be very very good. Unless we’re sending Batherson the other way or a 1st I don’t see how we don’t get easily outbit by teams with assets to trade.

The Ullmark situation is different. Goalie market is all over the place for one, and value is often lesser than players. Ullmark was also a UFA so his value was also reduced because of that. Then the goalie market had already settled by the point the trade was made so Boston had less options in hand to trade Ullmark.

For a 23 year old RFA 70 point scoring winger there will be interest around the league.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

One thing to consider with Peterka is we would need to shed some cap to make a trade like this work

He’s a RFA and pacing 70 points. With the cap figures we’ve seen for the next 3 years he’ll be making 7.5M at least I would think on a long term deal and maybe just a bit less on a bridge deal.

Then the assets it would cost to acquire him would undoubtedly be very very good. Unless we’re sending Batherson the other way or a 1st I don’t see how we don’t get easily outbit by teams with assets to trade.

Assuming this is how our roster looks (With 2 spares making minimum salary), JJ can be signed for anything 7M or less. If we buyout Perron, that'll be even higher. Also let's be honest, we'd need to include one of Pinto or Greig for him anyways, so we can absolutely sign him to a long term contract.

 

[Tuna99]

BTW, obviously not the same thing, but everyone thought that Staios needed to trade Chychrun, Forsberg, etc. for Ullmark and there was no way we'd get rid of Korpi. Maybe the cost of Peterka wouldn't be nearly as bad as people assume.

My issue is he is smallish, he seems decent 2 way but with him and Giroux in your top 6/9 it’s not helping the Sens move to a big tough heavier team which is where they need to go when you see them play some of the heavier teams

 

[Boud]

View attachment 987051Assuming this is how our roster looks (With 2 spares making minimum salary), JJ can be signed for anything 7M or less. If we buyout Perron, that'll be even higher. Also let's be honest, we'd need to include one of Pinto or Greig for him anyways, so we can absolutely sign him to a long term contract.

Yea that’s fair!

For Pinto/Greig I have a feeling Staios is setting the table for a Pinto 2nd line and Greig 3rd line. Norris is gone.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

My issue is he is smallish, he seems decent 2 way but with him and Giroux in your top 6/9 it’s not helping the Sens move to a big tough heavier team which is where they need to go when you see them play some of the heavier teams

He won't help against forechecking teams, true, but outscoring problems isn't a bad thing to have. Having a skilled winger like him absolutely helps against rush offense teams, since if we can convert high quality chances, then it won't even be countered by odd man rushes. A lot of odd man rushes we give up are a result of us not finishing our chances.

 

[aragorn]

top 6 would be the dream but i think getting a middle 6 forward for that third line would be beneficial. Both Grieg and Amadio havent really produced well offensively this season as they are on pace for 29 and 26 points (didnt do it exactly in terms of games missed just calculated based off 82 games). So we do need an offensive addition there someone that ideally moves amadio down. Then green can shuffle the top 9 if need be. Because having 2 guys pacing for under 30 points in the top 9 is bad.

Agreed, but considering their lack of assets & cap space who can they afford to trade for? The guys we want to move don't seem to have all that much value & I don't want to give up on Norris or any of their other good young players. And I doubt they move Amadio, Perron or Forsberg at this time, it's likely they want to add not subtract. Should be interesting how this plays out.

 

[BigRig4]

Yea that’s fair!

For Pinto/Greig I have a feeling Staios is setting the table for a Pinto 2nd line and Greig 3rd line. Norris is gone.

Yeah I think that’s the long-term vision for the centre position.

 

[Puikiou]

Norris - Stützle - Giroux
Tkachuk - Pinto - Batherson
xxx - Greig - Perron​

That's a good/great top 9. Not sure why coaching/management is so reticent to try Norris on Stützle's wing before exploring the trade market for him.

It's not like 7.95M is crippling and Norris is exactly what you'd want #18's winger to be. Fast, tenacious, deadly shot, decently big, defensively reponsible, etc.

Aside from his faceoffs prowess, Norris doesn't have the typical attributes of a center (puck carrying down the middle, passing, puck skills, making their wingers better, etc.). However, if he clicks with Stützle, he would go right back to 35-40 goals territory and his trade value would improve as a result, assuming management's still hellbent on trading him.

Selling low on him now (a la Chychrun) or God forbid, pulling the trigger on a negative value trade (a la M. Joseph) would be terrible for the assets depleted organization we already are and another blunder added to Staios' list of blunders.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I read that Ottawa has shown interest in Mario Ferraro, so I wonder if they consider Tyler Kleven a long-term piece or if they'd dangle him to bring in a forward.

If they think Yakemchuk will be ready to make the jump next year, they may want a veteran LD to pair with him. Plus we're locked into Sanderson and Chabot in the top 4 on the left side.

If we're interested in acquiring a younger forward who has control that could potentially play in the top 6, Kleven is a piece that would probably have value.

Interesting thought, but I am not sure what we would be trading for Ferraro if we are moving Kleven elsewhere.

Doesn't Ferraro play both sides? I could be wrong.

Wasn't there a rumour Nashville was looking at JBD too?

JBD + 3rd/4th for McCarron would be my guess

I've made this exact proposal, Staois is dangling some combo of JBD, 3rd, 4th, and a prospect like Pettersson (i.e. mid-round value) for someone like Tanev, McCarron, Sundqvist, Brazeau, Bjugstad, Armia, or someone else I am forgetting. I am guessing most of them return more than we can offer up but we should be able to find a dance partner, even if it's little more than a warm body.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

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[Burrowsaurus]

Norris - Stützle - Giroux
Tkachuk - Pinto - Batherson
xxx - Greig - Perron​

That's a good/great top 9. Not sure why coaching/management is so reticent to try Norris on Stützle's wing before exploring the trade market for him.

It's not like 7.95M is crippling and Norris is exactly what you'd want #18's winger to be. Fast, tenacious, deadly shot, decently big, defensively reponsible, etc.

Aside from his faceoffs prowess, Norris doesn't have the typical attributes of a center (puck carrying down the middle, passing, puck skills, making their wingers better, etc.). However, if he clicks with Stützle, he would go right back to 35-40 goals territory and his trade value would improve as a result, assuming management's still hellbent on trading him.

Selling low on him now (a la Chychrun) or God forbid, pulling the trigger on a negative value trade (a la M. Joseph) would be terrible for the assets depleted organization we already are and another blunder added to Staios' list of blunders.

Not every center can play winger.

If Norris could he would. Especially with how weak our offense has been if that was an option they would have tried it.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Looking at mangiapane and Jeannot in FA. Both massive down years and could be had for decent prices. Mangiapane could have a resurgence playing with stutzle. And Jeannot could fit in really well with the identity Staios likes.

 

[TheNewEra]

Agreed, but considering their lack of assets & cap space who can they afford to trade for? The guys we want to move don't seem to have all that much value & I don't want to give up on Norris or any of their other good young players. And I doubt they move Amadio, Perron or Forsberg at this time, it's likely they want to add not subtract. Should be interesting how this plays out.

rakell i would actually pay up for since he has term so it wouldnt be a one time situation and based off the quick cap mock up i did earlier one we can fit in easily next year

I would consider these forwards from the trade board (trying to keep cap in mind)
reilly smith - on pace for 41 pts
joel armia - on pace for 33 pts
palmeri (would need retention) -on pace for 55 pts
gourde (would need retention) on pace for 39 pts

obviously a wide range here and im not in love with any of these players but we have players on the market with a variety of cap hits that would add an offensive boost to the team. Not all 50-60 players rumored (not to mention the non-rumored ones) are going to return a 1st or a 2nd

 

[Puikiou]

Not every center can play winger.

If Norris could he would. Especially with how weak our offense has been if that was an option they would have tried it.

Sorry, but what does this even mean? How does one know anything without giving it a legitimate try?

Belleville watchers had a strong sense that Matinpalo is a better player than Hamonic at this point in thei career. However, it was impossible to know for sure until Matinpalo was given a chance to perform in the NHL. Same with Zub vs Gudbranson, Coburn, J. Brown, etc. a few years back. Guess your stance back then would have been: "If Zub was better than Josh Brown, he would be playing" ?

Norris displays a lot of the attributes of a successful scoring winger and much less those of a successful top-6 center. How is it unreasonable to try slotting him in a role that seems much more suited for him and the team?

 

[aragorn]

rakell i would actually pay up for since he has term so it wouldnt be a one time situation and based off the quick cap mock up i did earlier one we can fit in easily next year

I would consider these forwards from the trade board (trying to keep cap in mind)
reilly smith - on pace for 41 pts
joel armia - on pace for 33 pts
palmeri (would need retention) -on pace for 55 pts
gourde (would need retention) on pace for 39 pts

obviously a wide range here and im not in love with any of these players but we have players on the market with a variety of cap hits that would add an offensive boost to the team. Not all 50-60 players rumored (not to mention the non-rumored ones) are going to return a 1st or a 2nd

I like Reilly Smith LW/RW he plays a rugged game, what would it cost to acquire him do you think?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Analysts saying we need to make a move to get us to the playoffs, but I ask: with what currency? A 1st round pick, again? One of our handful (if that) of legit prospects?

I'm failing to see an impactful trade that can help propel us into the playoffs with the resources we have.

No doubt that we need some more offense.

Agreed that Dorion left us in such a disaster position that we have nothing to offer in a trade, all of our valuable assets are in the NHL and we need them. Dorion's team was so bad, Staios had to get to the cap just to make this team "ok".

Nothing will happen this trade deadline unless we like trade Norris or Batherson or something. Maybe we find someone who wants JBD and we get like a 5th rounder back.

 

[TheNewEra]

I like Reilly Smith LW/RW he plays a rugged game, what would it cost to acquire him do you think?

right now everyone is being rumored to be returning a 2nd plus

that being said rangers are on a heater with him out of the lineup. I think he ends up returning a 3rd and a prospect. He might get a 2nd if a team needs the 50% retention.

I could be completely wrong but thats my guess here

 

[aragorn]

right now everyone is being rumored to be returning a 2nd plus

that being said rangers are on a heater with him out of the lineup. I think he ends up returning a 3rd and a prospect. He might get a 2nd if a team needs the 50% retention.

I could be completely wrong but thats my guess here

So a 3rd & JBD, Reinhardt or say Sogaard might do it? I'd take that, although we have too many forwards that are just okay & should move one too.

 

[Icelevel]

Weird trade from San Jose giving their goalie away. Making room for askorov I guess but gave him (vanecek) away.
Frees up 3.4mil so I guess it makes sense.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Buckle up.

 

[TheNewEra]

So a 3rd & JBD, Reinhardt or say Sogaard might do it? I'd take that, although we have too many forwards that are just okay & should move one too.

Thats my personal guess

i just dont see teams throwing around that many firsts or second like candy. One first has been moved in this upcoming draft (dont think he is returning a first). If wikipedia is accurate then 17 2nd round picks have already been moved in the upcoming draft and 8 2nd round picks have been moved for 2026. There really arent that many 2nd round picks left to be moved once you factor in the rebuilding teams/bad teams that wont be trading their picks.

My guess is the value drops with Smith. I could be completely wrong and it ends up being a different player. But i fully expect someone that is in the 30-40 point range getting dealt for a 3rd + something. I just think its going to be smith because the rangers are in chaos mode, are winning and i doubt they want the locker room issue of sitting a guy out after the deadline when it seemed like you were moving him

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Sorry, but what does this even mean? How does one know anything without giving it a legitimate try?

Belleville watchers had a strong sense that Matinpalo is a better player than Hamonic at this point in thei career. However, it was impossible to know for sure until Matinpalo was given a chance to perform in the NHL. Same with Zub vs Gudbranson, Coburn, J. Brown, etc. a few years back. Guess your stance back then would have been: "If Zub was better than Josh Brown, he would be playing" ?

Norris displays a lot of the attributes of a successful scoring winger and much less those of a successful top-6 center. How is it unreasonable to try slotting him in a role that seems much more suited for him and the team?

No my stance back then was there’s no way any other d man in the org isn’t better than Josh brown.

Dean brown has said Norris has taken some shifts on the wing in practice.

He also got a period I beleive like 2 months ago on the wing.

You’re working under the assumption that they haven’t tried it in practice.

Also I don’t think Grieg can play full time center

I don’t see why we would move a good center into a maybe not so good winger and then have a much lesser center play third line center.