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[OgieO]

Biron said there are 26 goaltenders making over $4,000,000. Kinda makes the AAV on Korpisalo seem a bit below market. Term offsets but I did not realize (nor would I have guessed) that that many goalies made more than him.

EDIT: looked it up - there are 25 that make $4,000,000 or more. 5th highest is Murray lol. Nice one Pierre.

 

[guyzeur]

Injuries are exacerbated for teams who lack depth. Norris is hopefully healthy but we’ve downgraded DBC to Kubalik. Just like last year we’re one injury away from Pinto in the top 6 and essentially having two fourth lines.

Poor goaltending is exacerbated for teams who lack depth. Last season our bottom two lines were often hemmed in, just hoping to tread water until we could send out the top two lines. It puts a ton of pressure on a goalie.

It’s not overblown at all. Only 2 of the 16 playoff teams had the same (5) or fewer forwards score 10 even strength goals as the sens (Winnipeg and Minnesota). Both got ousted in the first round.

All the teams that made it past the first round finals had at least 8 forwards score 10+ even strength goals.

Not many teams have success with as little depth scoring as the sens had, particularly 5 on 5. Hopefully we get a bounce back from fully healthy Batherson and Norris and good production from Kubalik and a good surprise in Smejkal but there’s no guarantees and we’re once again very vulnerable to injuries.

I don’t think Tarasenko is realistic with the $ we have left but he would be nice.

Who do you have in the top 6 if Kubalik is on the third and we don’t have Pinto?

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It’s pretty clearly a big deal, Dorion himself said he’d tell the media whether he expects the team to be a playoff team after the summer. Sounds to me like he knows we need to add.

All of this is beside the fact that I was responding to someone suggesting Reinhardt on the third line, in the NHL, which I think you’d agree is a bad idea.

Agree with "Injuries are exacerbated for teams who lack depth" although we had a lot to key players : Ottawa Senators Injuries - NHL | FOX Sports

1. I considered DBC's 1st year a huge mess. Maybe not as much on a personal level than from a team point of view. The whole team suffered because coach shuffle the team to see where he would fit best. Finding playing partners was worst than having 1 injured player to replace.

2. Having 2 players with +/- under 30 is on the coach or not?
3. Defensively the team wasn't very good

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Surprised he didn't get an NHL deal. Oh well...he will probably come back next yr when the cap us more robust

 

[armani]

Wonder how much of the holding pattern is influenced by pending ownership transfer, it's possible that a moratorium has been placed on spending on players until Dandy Andlauer takes over.

Another possibility is waiting on Tarasenko's decision before going after options b, c...Dorion usually ends up with options X, Y, Z..the more we wait the worse the FA pool depth gets.

So as I mentioned a little while back, do we think the new owner has put a moratorium on NHL roster signings/trades? It's eerily quiet. Maybe a smart move to stop a desparado from making desparate mistakes, and Pierre doesn't need to be desperate to make moves. It's very easy for Andlauer to put a stop to anything via the "board" that exists for the transition to new ownership. Current owners are also future 10% stakeholders, so I don't buy anybody telling me that pending owner doesn't have any influence on what's happening now (cuz they usually do).

 

[Golden_Jet]

So as I mentioned a little while back, do we think the new owner has put a moratorium on NHL roster signings/trades? It's eerily quiet. Maybe a smart move to stop a desparado from making desparate mistakes, and Pierre doesn't need to be desperate to make moves. It's very easy for Andlauer to put a stop to anything via the "board" that exists for the transition to new ownership. Current owners are also future 10% stakeholders, so I don't buy anybody telling me that pending owner doesn't have any influence on what's happening now (cuz they usually do).

Don’t think it really matters, there is only 5 million left, and that includes whatever Pinto gets.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Agree with "Injuries are exacerbated for teams who lack depth" although we had a lot to key players : Ottawa Senators Injuries - NHL | FOX Sports

1. I considered DBC's 1st year a huge mess. Maybe not as much on a personal level than from a team point of view. The whole team suffered because coach shuffle the team to see where he would fit best. Finding playing partners was worst than having 1 injured player to replace.

2. Having 2 players with +/- under 30 is on the coach or not?
3. Defensively the team wasn't very good

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I have to say.....Batherson was complete shit last year. And that was one year removed from me legitimately thinking the offence was going to run through him and Stutzle for the next 5 years+. I was a massive fan of his and couldn't understand what we were seeing. Now that we have a little context, I think we can right that season off as a wasted one because of that shitbird Buffalo goalie.

DBC was also a victim of Batherson, but he also is quite adequate to below adequate from the blue line to the net. I was disappointed in that aspect of him. Liked his forecheck a lot, think he's underrated there personally, but he's really borderline defensively.

Then there's Pinto, who showed us all glimpses of what's to come there, but the grind of a full season at C at his age, then having Batherson not being able to make full stops and come back, then having DBC defensively. That's gonna add up HUGE.

 

[Ice-Tray]

So as I mentioned a little while back, do we think the new owner has put a moratorium on NHL roster signings/trades? It's eerily quiet. Maybe a smart move to stop a desparado from making desparate mistakes, and Pierre doesn't need to be desperate to make moves. It's very easy for Andlauer to put a stop to anything via the "board" that exists for the transition to new ownership. Current owners are also future 10% stakeholders, so I don't buy anybody telling me that pending owner doesn't have any influence on what's happening now (cuz they usually do).

It’s always quiet around this time until the end of the summer. Everyone actually goes on vacation.

Tank is certainly one of the last dominos to fall in terms of bigger UFAs, so until he sees something he likes and signs, not much will happen at a time when typically not much is happening

Cottage time! (I don’t have one, but we just bought a ‘project’ camper on the weekend that needs me to replace the roof and floor so there goes my summer )

 

[JD1]

Biron said there are 26 goaltenders making over $4,000,000. Kinda makes the AAV on Korpisalo seem a bit below market. Term offsets but I did not realize (nor would I have guessed) that that many goalies made more than him.

EDIT: looked it up - there are 25 that make $4,000,000 or more. 5th highest is Murray lol. Nice one Pierre.

So that's 25 right now. He signed a 5 year deal. 4AAV will be mid tier back up money a few years down the line. It's a steal of a contract if he plays half decent meaning middle of the road starter stats

 

[operasen]

Is there a timeline for the ownership confirmation. I assume the Governors could have a videocall anytime to confirm Andlauer and let him get to work putting his people in place before September.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Is there a timeline for the ownership confirmation. I assume the Governors could have a videocall anytime to confirm Andlauer and let him get to work putting his people in place before September.

They could, waiting for all lawyers stuff and paperwork, banking to be done.

 

[OgieO]

I believe you are correct. Still tons of risk with that term, but AAV could be a heck of a bargain if he works out. If he stays healthy and plays well it will be an absolute steal. Fingers crossed.

 

[BondraTime]

Also probably fair to point out that of the 24 goalies getting paid more, over 1/4 of those are contracts teams couldn’t get rid of if they tried, and includes guys not in the league in Price and Lehner.

Goalie contracts have a very high bust rate comparatively.

 

[armani]

It’s always quiet around this time until the end of the summer. Everyone actually goes on vacation.

Tank is certainly one of the last dominos to fall in terms of bigger UFAs, so until he sees something he likes and signs, not much will happen at a time when typically not much is happening

Cottage time! (I don’t have one, but we just bought a ‘project’ camper on the weekend that needs me to replace the roof and floor so there goes my summer )

That’s the easiest/simplest explanation yet unwarranted given the limbo the current GM find himself in. It’s possible Tarasenko will have a domino effect, but I also can’t see Dorion going on holidays with his future on the line and an incomplete roster.

Enjoy your summer project!

 

[Hale The Villain]

You've never played the game have you.

It takes zero hockey IQ to stand in front of the net. Puck goes to the point, you go to the net. There's not a lot of smarts involved in that. And if you are dumb enough to not do that, when you get back to the bench they'll tell you to do that

Getting your stick on the puck when it's moving 80+ mph on the other hand requires some pretty significant hand eye coordination

Process info efficiently my ass. It takes huge skill to tip that puck and it doesn't have much to do with IQ. It's elite hand eye coordination

I've played hockey my whole life but regardless that's a stupid comment that isn't an argument.

It's not as simple as just standing in front of the net. It takes some level of IQ to find open space around the front of the net and avoid getting your stick tied up by defenders.

Hand eye coordination is primarily a function of hockey IQ. It's primarily the ability to track the speed, distance and angle of the puck in relation to your stick.

The players with the best sticks tend to be the smartest players on the ice. This is obvious stuff that I shouldn't need to explain.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I've played hockey my whole life but regardless that's a stupid comment that isn't an argument.

It's not as simple as just standing in front of the net. It takes some level of IQ to find open space around the front of the net and avoid getting your stick tied up by defenders.

Hand eye coordination is primarily a function of hockey IQ. It's primarily the ability to track the speed, distance and angle of the puck in relation to your stick.

The players with the best sticks tend to be the smartest players on the ice. This is obvious stuff that I shouldn't need to explain.

You mean to say putting old Chris Neil in front of the net wasn't a fool proof strategy?

 

[Senovision]

When Matt Murray gets bought out and IF some team takes the risk of Matt Murray it would be the fourth time someone did.
In Pittsburgh he was injured, then in Ottawa, and then in Toronto. I think if a team takes a chance on him it would be at a very low salary like $1million maybe slightly over that. He has proven time and time again that he is riddled with injuries. His pattern of being injured constantly is well established,

 

[Cosmix]

It’s always quiet around this time until the end of the summer. Everyone actually goes on vacation.

Tank is certainly one of the last dominos to fall in terms of bigger UFAs, so until he sees something he likes and signs, not much will happen at a time when typically not much is happening

Cottage time! (I don’t have one, but we just bought a ‘project’ camper on the weekend that needs me to replace the roof and floor so there goes my summer )

Before retiring I thought I would buy a small camper trailer (something like a Boler). Having aged and now retired, I changed my mind and decided I no longer want to drive to distant locations hauling a trailer.

I also looked at the Casita and Scamp trailers that are similar in size.

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[HSF]

So as I mentioned a little while back, do we think the new owner has put a moratorium on NHL roster signings/trades? It's eerily quiet. Maybe a smart move to stop a desparado from making desparate mistakes, and Pierre doesn't need to be desperate to make moves. It's very easy for Andlauer to put a stop to anything via the "board" that exists for the transition to new ownership. Current owners are also future 10% stakeholders, so I don't buy anybody telling me that pending owner doesn't have any influence on what's happening now (cuz they usually do).

more likely that Tank is trying to find a better option before signing here

 

[Golden_Jet]

more likely that Tank is trying to find a better option before signing here

That would be best, unless cheap 1 year deal.

 

[JD1]

I've played hockey my whole life but regardless that's a stupid comment that isn't an argument.

It's not as simple as just standing in front of the net. It takes some level of IQ to find open space around the front of the net and avoid getting your stick tied up by defenders.

Hand eye coordination is primarily a function of hockey IQ. It's primarily the ability to track the speed, distance and angle of the puck in relation to your stick.

The players with the best sticks tend to be the smartest players on the ice. This is obvious stuff that I shouldn't need to explain.

Well you certainly shouldn't have explained it the way you did.

 

[Ice-Tray]

That’s the easiest/simplest explanation yet unwarranted given the limbo the current GM find himself in. It’s possible Tarasenko will have a domino effect, but I also can’t see Dorion going on holidays with his future on the line and an incomplete roster.

Enjoy your summer project!

Thanks!

Of course he’s going to go on vacation, they all do, it’s doubtful that he’s fretting away in the office worried about his job. The roster is virtually set, we have a few contracts to sort out, and may add a player via trade or UFA, perhaps two tops. And really, what other team has a completely set roster at this time of year anyways? Yes, the GMs will go on vacation without the entire roster being finished, or all contracts signed.

I’m sure feelers have been put out, agents have been spoken to, and now everyone is out golfing and summering.

You can bet PD has his phone near though given that business can be done anywhere there is cell reception. No reason to postpone holidays.

Before retiring I thought I would buy a small camper trailer (something like a Boler). Having aged and now retired, I changed my mind and decided I no longer want to drive to distant locations hauling a trailer.

I also looked at the Casita and Scamp trailers that are similar in size.

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Yeah those are nice, but expensive and too small for a family of 5 lol!

We bought a 19 footer Fleetwood and will gut it. If we do it right it will be a nice family hub for the kids and their friends to tent around. We of course will sleep inside

 

[Bileur]

Agree with "Injuries are exacerbated for teams who lack depth" although we had a lot to key players : Ottawa Senators Injuries - NHL | FOX Sports

1. I considered DBC's 1st year a huge mess. Maybe not as much on a personal level than from a team point of view. The whole team suffered because coach shuffle the team to see where he would fit best. Finding playing partners was worst than having 1 injured player to replace.

2. Having 2 players with +/- under 30 is on the coach or not?
3. Defensively the team wasn't very good

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I don’t think it’s solely on DJ, but he was certainly a factor.

Definitely agree with three which is also connected but not solely attributable to DJ.

 

[Bileur]

We're not an injury away from Pinto in the top 6. We're a C injury away from Pinto in the top 6. But, Pinto has a full year under his belt in the top 6 and will certainly be better suited for it this year than he was last year when it happened.

If you presume our top 6 all get 10 even strength goals....then you have Pinto playing 3C against weaker opposition than he saw last year ... So can we create a line around Pinto that produces 25-30 EV goals?

There's no question we need to be healthy. Maybe it's our turn to have a healthy year.

I agree on the top 6, but I think that’s a tall order for the third line with the current players, that’s why I’m hoping we add more.

I hope you’re right about a healthy season but we’ve got a lot of guys who are starting to look questionable in terms of durability (Chabot, Chychrun, Norris, Greig). Hopefully they’re blips that gets settled moving forward. Hope isn’t a plan though so we need more depth as insurance.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

I want Tank on this team so bad, but I just don't know how we're gonna fit him in cap wise.