GDT: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 3

[Nova Stutzlia]

On the brighter side, there will be no pressure on any of them (6,72,85) to be "the guy" when it comes to offense from the D.

 

[NyQuil]

On the brighter side, there will be no pressure on any of them (6,72,85) to be "the guy" when it comes to offense from the D.

On paper, it's the best top four we've had in a long time, since Chara and Redden for sure, maybe ever.

Now they just have to deliver.

 

[BondraTime]

As of today?

I've no doubt he will have that role at some point. I'm not sure it's on opening night of season 2 of his career.

I think as of today.

Averaged 22 minutes a night over the whole season last year, and the last 20ish games it was closer to 26.

Think he’ll be the guy leading the team in icetime for the next 10 years, getting significant play in all situations.

 

[NyQuil]

Averaged 22 minutes a night over the whole season last year, and the end of the year it was closer to 26.

Think he’ll be the guy leading the team in icetime for the next 10 years, getting significant play in all situations.

At the end of the year, Chychrun was out of the line-up (or recently returned after being injured) and Chabot was playing injured and then out of the line-up.

I hope that's not who he's competing with for the job this season.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Can we just OS Lafreniere and solve our gaping hole in the middle 6 on the left?

 

[Ice-Tray]

I still love Chabby and am stoked that we finally got him some really talented defensive partners and players to play with.

He’s part of a solid and dynamic top 4 that we have all wanted this team to have.

He doesn’t have to be the best guy, and if he isn’t, that means he have a really good top 4. He’s by far the best skater and offensive player of the group, and as of now is the guy who can create one on one scoring chances, deke in close and score.

I wish we could be happy with what we have in the top 4 and let them ride a bit, but it is what it is. As far as D goes, I’m looking forward to Kleven coming up, and I’m hoping that him and JBD can build off what I thought was a really solid audition together last year. I need to see Kleven flex on that nasty side though.

Sebrango is intriguing as well.

 

[JD1]

I think as of today.

Averaged 22 minutes a night over the whole season last year, and the last 20ish games it was closer to 26.

Think he’ll be the guy leading the team in icetime for the next 10 years, getting significant play in all situations.

I think Sanderson will be the #1 as well. Where I start debating with myself is who is the better player: Chychrun or Chabot. I haven't seen enough of Chychrun to have a firm opinion though.

I agree with @NyQuil that this is our best top 4 in decades. Just a healthy top 4 and we could easily be playoff bound.

 

[BondraTime]

At the end of the year, Chychrun was out of the line-up (or recently returned after being injured) and Chabot was playing injured and then out of the line-up.

I hope that's not who he's competing with for the job this season.

Absolutely.

Sanderson has a year under his belt, was our best PP option last year, was our best PK option last year, and only saw 16 mins ES compared to Chabots 21.

This season, I'd expect Chabot's PP TOI to fall ~30 seconds per game, and Sanderson's to stay about where it is, maybe drop a few seconds. I think all 3 of Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun will be on the 1st unit at times next year.

Sanderson's PK TOI is likely to stay the same around 3:20 a game, and Chabot's likely to stay where it is, as he doesn't play PK, about 10 seconds a game.

ES, that's going to see a huge change this year. Chabot will be down about 3 minutes per game, and Sanderson will climb about 3 minutes per game. This is great, Chabot shouldn't be getting those type of minutes, maybe 3 D in the whole league should.

Think Sanderson will end up ~24/25, and Chabot to sit around 22/23

 

[Golden_Jet]

Can we just OS Lafreniere and solve our gaping hole in the middle 6 on the left?

Don’t have the cap room
And a 4.4-6.3 offer sheet requires having our own 1st and a third draft picks, we don’t have the third,

Absolutely.

Sanderson has a year under his belt, was our best PP option last year, was our best PK option last year, and only saw 16 mins ES compared to Chabots 21.

This season, I'd expect Chabot's PP TOI to fall ~30 seconds per game, and Sanderson's to stay about where it is, maybe drop a few seconds. I think all 3 of Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun will be on the 1st unit at times next year.

Sanderson's PK TOI is likely to stay the same around 3:20 a game, and Chabot's likely to stay where it is, as he doesn't play PK, about 10 seconds a game.

ES, that's going to see a huge change this year. Chabot will be down about 3 minutes per game, and Sanderson will climb about 3 minutes per game. This is great, Chabot shouldn't be getting those type of minutes, maybe 3 D in the whole league should.

Think Sanderson will end up ~24/25, and Chabot to sit around 22/23

Chabot will have more than 30 seconds a game, as that would mean 8-10 seconds for each PP in the game.

 

[BondraTime]

Don’t have the cap room
And a 4.4-6.3 offer sheet requires having our own 1st and a third draft picks, we don’t have the third,


Chabot will have more than 30 seconds a game, as that would mean 8-10 seconds for each PP in the game.

Fall ~30 seconds

 

[Golden_Jet]

Fall ~30 seconds

Ahh thanks, my bad

 

[Big Muddy]

I guess we'll find out.

I remember when OEL used to get the "bad team" excuse too.

I don't know what the exact pairings will be ultimately, but I would hope the 1st and 2nd pair have close TOI stats versus years past where Chabot had huge minutes.

 

[Micklebot]

Absolutely.

Sanderson has a year under his belt, was our best PP option last year, was our best PK option last year, and only saw 16 mins ES compared to Chabots 21.

This season, I'd expect Chabot's PP TOI to fall ~30 seconds per game, and Sanderson's to stay about where it is, maybe drop a few seconds. I think all 3 of Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun will be on the 1st unit at times next year.

Sanderson's PK TOI is likely to stay the same around 3:20 a game, and Chabot's likely to stay where it is, as he doesn't play PK, about 10 seconds a game.

ES, that's going to see a huge change this year. Chabot will be down about 3 minutes per game, and Sanderson will climb about 3 minutes per game. This is great, Chabot shouldn't be getting those type of minutes, maybe 3 D in the whole league should.

Think Sanderson will end up ~24/25, and Chabot to sit around 22/23

Was Sanderson actually the best PP option last year?

Chabot's on ice GF/60, xGF/60, and SCF/60 were all higher. Maybe that's due to Sanderson's ratio leaning more towards 2nd unit time, I'm not sure (as Chabot often played both units) but looking at their respective time with Stu as a proxi to isolate fist unit toi, Chabot still has better GF/60, xGF/60 and SCF/60. In the end, I'd rather a D that makes the unit better than a D that collects more pts, though Chabots pts/60 was slightly better than Sanderson's while with Stutzle as well.

I'd agree that Chabot's TOI at 5v5 should fall, the addition of Chychrun and development of Sanderson should naturally lead to that, but I'm not sure how much. We have a lot more options with all three, hard to say how it will play out.

 

[BondraTime]

Was Sanderson actually the best PP option last year?

Chabot's on ice GF/60, xGF/60, and SCF/60 were all higher. Maybe that's due to Sanderson's ratio leaning more towards 2nd unit time, I'm not sure (as Chabot often played both units) but looking at their respective time with Stu as a proxi to isolate fist unit toi, Chabot still has better GF/60, xGF/60 and SCF/60. In the end, I'd rather a D that makes the unit better than a D that collects more pts, though Chabots pts/60 was slightly better than Sanderson's while with Stutzle as well.

I'd agree that Chabot's TOI at 5v5 should fall, the addition of Chychrun and development of Sanderson should naturally lead to that, but I'm not sure how much. We have a lot more options with all three, hard to say how it will play out.

I’m just using what I saw while watching, I have zero clue/really don’t pay attention to any of that stuff personally

 

[Micklebot]

I’m just using what I saw while watching, I have zero clue about any of that stuff

Well, I saw us score more goals with Chabot on the ice, that's what matters, no?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Agree with those saying on paper we are better. Also we have Kleven who is banging the door down to get in to the lineup. I expect him to carve a regular spot within the year TDL at the latest.

I expect Ice time to change downward for Chabot but he is still immensely talented.
I think Sanderson continues to solidify himself as our best all situation D man. How that plays out in the pairings and the icetime TBD. He will be up there overall not sure if he unseats Chabot on PP1 but that will be a coaching decision .. with the same crew . I suspect they run Chabot there to start. Chychrun is also another PP weapon with that Shot. I think Sanderson showed well as the PP1 QB .. I think he is crisp and makes consistently good quick decisions and uses the ice well. Chabot will have to be at his best to keep his spot. OT is another place where Sanderson can challenge and cut into Chabot's ice time. Chabot just has to play to his capabilities for now.

Defensively there were some gaffs on the D but more so its the team defense that has to improve the most of any part to the Sens over all game. I think that is coaching, accountability and execution. I think the Sens could use some help on the coaching staff in that area.

 

[Qward]

Can we just OS Lafreniere and solve our gaping hole in the middle 6 on the left?

our best shot at Laf was with Debrincat.

 

[bert]

our best shot at Laf was with Debrincat.

They never had the cap space for him. But maybe with the assets they acquired they can get him. Id be willing to trade One of the firsts and Merilainen for him. Dont know if they consider that though.

 

[Cosmix]

Thanks!

Of course he’s going to go on vacation, they all do, it’s doubtful that he’s fretting away in the office worried about his job. The roster is virtually set, we have a few contracts to sort out, and may add a player via trade or UFA, perhaps two tops. And really, what other team has a completely set roster at this time of year anyways? Yes, the GMs will go on vacation without the entire roster being finished, or all contracts signed.

I’m sure feelers have been put out, agents have been spoken to, and now everyone is out golfing and summering.

You can bet PD has his phone near though given that business can be done anywhere there is cell reception. No reason to postpone holidays.


Yeah those are nice, but expensive and too small for a family of 5 lol!

We bought a 19 footer Fleetwood and will gut it. If we do it right it will be a nice family hub for the kids and their friends to tent around. We of course will sleep inside

Do you plan to do much travelling with it, or just park it at a lakeside lot? I know friends that do both.

 

[Cosmix]

Only team I can see willing to take a chance on Matt Murray with his current contract and 6m salary next year is Chicago and the leafs are going to have to pay a substantial asset to get it done.

Are they going to try LTIR definitely but I don’t think Murray will go off into the sunset like that.

They don’t wanna do a buyout because they are going to be tight next year already factoring in the increase with the extensions to Matthews and Nylander. Buying out Murray will turn Mathews at 14 and Nylander at 9.5 to Matthews at 15 and Nylander at 10.5 basically.

I read on the Leafs site that some expect Mathews to sign at a "discount" to allow the team to have more $$ to sign higher quality players on other lines. I am very sceptical that Mathews will sign for anything less than the max allowed.

 

[BondraTime]

Well, I saw us score more goals with Chabot on the ice, that's what matters, no?

I would imagine, generally the guy leading ice time and on the 1st unit will be on for more goals than the guy getting less time, 80% of which was on the tail end of the 2nd unit. 1st unit always scores more than the 2nd unit.

If Sanderson was on for Chabots minutes and Chabot in Sanderson's, that likely switches, of course being on for more minutes with the better unit will make your numbers better, even if you weren't involved in the plays.

 

[Cosmix]

Can we just OS Lafreniere and solve our gaping hole in the middle 6 on the left?

That would be a gutsy aggressive move. Hope the new owner encourages the GM to do it.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Good news for Murray buyout hopefuls.

But then again

 

[Micklebot]

I would imagine, generally the guy leading ice time and on the 1st unit will be on for more goals than the guy getting less time, 80% of which was on the tail end of the 2nd unit. 1st unit always scores more than the 2nd unit.

If Sanderson was on for Chabots minutes and Chabot in Sanderson's, that likely switches, of course being on for more minutes with the better unit will make your numbers better, even if you weren't involved in the plays.

Ok, I'll revise, I saw the team score more goals per min when Chabot was on the ice with Stützle than when Sanderson was on the ice with Stü

 

[Micklebot]

Good news for Murray buyout hopefuls.

But then again

They really need to address this, if a medical screening is all that is blocking a buyout, there should be some mechanism for the buyout to happen and the insurance to pay the difference until the player is cleared to play.