GDT: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 2

[GCK]

A total cop out. Our forward lines are going to be very similar in ability to last year.

Should we throw in the towel now or demand more from our team, coaches included?

Did Claude Giroux beat his career highest goal total by 7 at his age because he finally had a good coach, no same goes for Batherson being a total no show in the effort department. Did Stu and Sanderson show individual trophy capability because of DJ, of course not but DJ also didn’t make Joseph look like an AHL or expose Debrincat for what he is.

The best players on this team who are the core were 20, 21 and 23. @bert preaches patience all the time and he is right.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Did Claude Giroux beat his career highest goal total by 7 at his age because he finally had a good coach, no same goes for Batherson being a total no show in the effort department. Did Stu and Sanderson show individual trophy capability because of DJ, of course not but DJ also didn’t make Joseph look like an AHL or expose Debrincat for what he is.

The best players on this team who are the core were 20, 21 and 23. @bert preaches patience all the time and he is right.

First of all Giroux topped his previous best by one goal.

Second, patience doesn't mean leaving players in positions where they're failing.

Or continuing to give them lots of ice when they don't play hard.

That's apathy, not patience.

 

[bert]

That line was also still a minus at even strength. Great numbers
Still losing.

They were not in the same ballpark as the pizza line. Breaking up a line that was basically break even, in order to stop full caving of the second line? Might have been something a coach would want to try.

Where did I suggest the bolded....

Stutzle had 90 points in his D + 3... Only Mcdavid has had a better season in his D +3 since Stamkos... Tkachuk had 83 points 35 goals and was 11th in hits in the NHL. Yet you want to break that up... That line is the reason this team was even sniffing a playoff spot. They were taking all the hardest matchups.

Maybe Debrincat should have been better same with Batherson. They got easy matchups and got caved in at 5 on 5.

 

[bert]

First of all Giroux topped his previous best by one goal.

Second, patience doesn't mean leaving players in positions where they're failing.

Or continuing to give them lots of ice when they don't play hard.

That's apathy, not patience.

Thats a fine conversation to have about Batherson and Chabot... But when players like Stutzle and Tkachuk are having years like that at such a young age you let them run.

 

[bert]

A total cop out. Our forward lines are going to be very similar in ability to last year.

Should we throw in the towel now or demand more from our team, coaches included?

Do not agree on any level. First of all other than Giroux everyone else should be better/further along in their development.

Secondly that second line never made sense I agree that DJ should have made some changes but breaking up the first line was not the answer.

Three super similar players on that line. This year the second line is going to be much more balanced with different types of skillsets.

Norris Batherson lefty righty works we know it does. Whoever is LW on that line is going to be faster/have a better motor than Debrincat/Pinto. Whether thats Grieg, Joseph, Kubalik or someone that isnt on the roster yet its going to be a much better fit. Norris is a better defensive player than Pinto or Debrincat. I think he will demand more of Drake as well.

The third line will undoubtedly be better. Pinto has a full year under his belt he was an NHL rookie, coming off a terrible shoulder injury. He is going to be stronger, faster, more experienced, better in the dot. Have better wingers and better support from the D core.

 

[redbrick98]

Danton Heinen could be a great little add

Versatile middle 6 forward


Actually surprised he's hasn't been picked up yet

 

[Keli]

Double down and try to get Keller for 2 1st, 2nd, Grieg and Joseph. He’s good friends with Chychrun and Brady. Still signed for 5 years at 7.1m.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Double down and try to get Keller for 2 1st, 2nd, Grieg and Joseph. He’s good friends with Chychrun and Brady. Still signed for 5 years at 7.1m.

I am for it but get ready for the resistance that can’t understand the value of having a proven superstar on a good contract for long term

 

[2CHAINZ]

Double down and try to get Keller for 2 1st, 2nd, Grieg and Joseph. He’s good friends with Chychrun and Brady. Still signed for 5 years at 7.1m.

Triple down, let's go after McDavid.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

We should trade Joseph and pick for Garland.

 

[Loach]

I have a weird feeling we see another big move Dorion special this summer.

Everyone is assuming he'll just use the space left to fill the hole, and maybe they're right, but I won't be at all surprised if there's a big move left for Dorion. Maybe his last one.

Kinda like those people who get kicked out of a party for being a dbag and give the finger to the building as they stumble off into the night.

 

[JD1]

A total cop out. Our forward lines are going to be very similar in ability to last year.

Should we throw in the towel now or demand more from our team, coaches included?

No, I don't think they're going to be similar at all.

Pinto had a decent season, no question there. But there's a big difference between him having a decent season and being in say the top half of 2Cs. I think the kid is going to be really solid as a 3C this year, but last year he was a rookie C playing with a winger that struggled with pace most of the year due to an ankle injury.

This year, Batherson will be healthy day one and Norris will be back. Those two will give us a much stronger top 6 imo.

 

[Loach]

We have five left shot D in Chabot, Sanderson, Chychrun, Brannstrom & Kleven it's most likely Chychrun plays the right side to start the yr. Should a left shot D get hurt they would just move Chychrun over to the left side or bring up Kleven, they don't need Brannstrom, but they do need that salary to improve the bottom six.

They have four right shot D in Zub, Hamonic, JBD & Thomson & Guennette in Belleville. If a right shot D gets hurt they would just move JBD into a RD spot & call up Thomson for insurance.

Strange how PD got DBC when we already had players like that and needed ones that bring a different dimension to the team (players that you have been begging for! Lol)...Then did the same thing on defence.

 

[JD1]

First of all Giroux topped his previous best by one goal.

Second, patience doesn't mean leaving players in positions where they're failing.

Or continuing to give them lots of ice when they don't play hard.

That's apathy, not patience.

Here's a little quote from DJ from an interview he had with Mendes last month

“When I took this job, my job was to develop these kids. And with that comes losses. If Timmy makes a mistake, you have to keep playing him. And that’s part of it,” Smith explained. “Now as a coach, I will coach them differently. There is a different mindset when you’re developing and rebuilding. And there is a different mindset when you believe you can win every night. That’s the exciting part for me and our staff. These players. I think they feel they have a chance to win every night now.”

DJ is clearly going into this season with the mindset of winning every night.

The NHL is a grind. Some nights some guys don't have the legs. What has DJ done? Not much because of limited options. Last season Batherson struggled to get around most of the season and he said so himself. What did DJ do? Not much. Limited options.

I think expectations are quite different this year. We need health and presuming we have it, a night when a guy like Batherson doesn't have it, he gets 15 but gets 19 on a night when the motor is running hot. Or look at Chabot. Wtf do you do when he has his head up his arse? You keep putting him out there hoping he extracts it himself. This year? I fully expect his minutes to plummet and a guy like Brannstrom to see an extra 5.

We've not had those kind of options before. I think this year we do and I expect them to be utilized

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

 

[DueDiligence]

We got destroyed because the roster was lacking, no rearranging would fix that so just let your franchise centre be in the best possible position to have success.

Breaking up Stu and BT made no sense because the ominated most times when on the ice. Their ( and CG) possession numbers were the best on the team.

 

[Mingus Dew]

If they don’t have enough evidence to prove that they guys knew that she wasn’t consenting, that’s one thing, they still gang banged the girl, and she still felt as though she was assaulted.

Thats not Twitter mob, that’s just a fact. I highly doubt that the team wants him back, and I doubt he wants to be back.

You guys need to stop trying to brush things under the rug here, regardless of what the court case comes back if it even gets there, the girl was sexually assaulted in her mind, HC paid her out after their own investigation, and that’s not going to change.

If Formy was indeed there, and partook in he gang bang, he won’t be back. Not surprised that a bunch of men would be fine with that though.

Our criminal justice system is completely useless when it comes to prosecuting these sorts of offences so hopefully there are other means to discipline those involved. Anyone involved in this incident should never play pro again imo but I am probably in the minority on that one.

 

[BondraTime]

Our criminal justice system is completely useless when it comes to prosecuting these sorts of offences so hopefully there are other means to discipline those involved. Anyone involved in this incident should never play pro again imo but I am probably in the minority on that one.

There doesn't need to be charges, the NHL can act on it's own set of principals and findings.

No different than Trevor Bauer, who faced no charges legally, and was still banned from the league for 2 seasons, and it should have been lifetime.

 

[BondraTime]

Newhook with a 12 million 4 year contract, another similar guy to Pinto taking the 4 year deal, so number is deceiving comparing to Pinto's.

27g, 39a, 66p in 159 games, best season 14g 16a 30p. Cup champ.

 

[Mingus Dew]

There doesn't need to be charges, the NHL can act on it's own set of principals and findings.

No different than Trevor Bauer, who faced no charges legally, and was still banned from the league for 2 seasons, and it should have been lifetime.

Correct. This is what I would like to see happen if we learn that certain players were involved.

 

[GCK]

If things are just status quo and no new information is released then I think things just carry on as normal, as uncomfortable as that may be.

If a report comes out that says that XYZ players were involved in the incident but for [insert reason] criminal charges are not being pursued then I'd want XYZ players suspended for life but that's unlikely too.

Anyone that was confirmed in the room that night should be banished from the league.

Ridiculous statement.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Newhook with a 12 million 4 year contract, another similar guy to Pinto taking the 4 year deal, so number is deceiving comparing to Pinto's.

27g, 39a, 66p in 159 games, best season 14g 16a 30p. Cup champ.

That is a potential byproduct of trading away Debrincat that I havent heard discussed much. Could allow us to get more term with Pinto.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

If things are just status quo and no new information is released then I think things just carry on as normal, as uncomfortable as that may be.

If a report comes out that says that XYZ players were involved in the incident but for [insert reason] criminal charges are not being pursued then I'd want XYZ players suspended for life but that's unlikely too.

Anyone that was confirmed in the room that night should be banished from the league.

Its a stance .. but it won't happen

 

[Mingus Dew]

Ridiculous statement.

It won't happen. Boys will be boys and all that.

It should though.

 

[GCK]

It won't happen. Boys will be boys and all that.

It should though.

I’m uncomfortable with that not knowing what happened.