McGroarty2
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Since CAR is getting DeAngello at 50% cap hit and trading Pesce while sending their 3rd goalie down, they would have $6.8 mil in cap space with 12 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies. Would make sense to sign Tarasenko.
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BlindWillyMcHurt
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I can't wait for people to hype up the Canes all next season only for them to get crushed again by a team that actually understands you can't just bore everyone into submission.
I can’t imagine them wanting both DeAngelo and EK.
I think it’s gonna be a one horse race.
All of this post is copium. Haha
Gurglesons
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If they have Necas and Svech healthy and Necas keeps up what he did this year and Svech hits a new level I think they can win a cup.
I don’t see that happening but adding Orlov gives them the best D they’ve had in their contention window and they probably commit to actually adding an elite talent at the deadline this year.
Empoleon8771
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Carolina never made much sense for me as a Karlsson target to begin with. The biggest issue they've had in the playoffs in recent years is a lack of high end scoring forwards and a bad powerplay. Karlsson is great on the powerplay, but the roles he'd play in aren't really issues on the Canes powerplay. Their biggest issue on their top powerplay unit is that they don't have a legitimate net front guy, they're currently running with Noesen in that role. He did do well in the role, but their powerplay would be miles better if they got a guy like Hornqvist for that spot.
I just can't understand the logic behind why they'd be going after him. The Canes already have offensive threats from their blueline and the help Karlsson would bring to the powerplay isn't the kind of help they need. Between Burns, DeAngelo, Orlov and Skjei, why do they need even more offense from their blueline?
I just can't understand the logic behind why they'd be going after him. The Canes already have offensive threats from their blueline and the help Karlsson would bring to the powerplay isn't the kind of help they need. Between Burns, DeAngelo, Orlov and Skjei, why do they need even more offense from their blueline?
BlindWillyMcHurt
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They need some guys that can step up their offensive games especially when things get tight in the postseason. Looking down the line of their top players... they all kinda laid an egg offensively outside of Aho and Burns in the playoffs. I know not every team can have PPG numbers from their top players but they don't seem to have enough punch to me. I also have to wonder what their offensive ceiling is as a team considering how they seem to like to play.
Svech WAS a huge loss for them, though. He's definitely the kind of player that can change the game with one flick of the stick.
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Even if it doesn't work out, I'm nearing the point where I simply appreciate the flirtation, like I do with women.
DesertedPenguin
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They don't which is why I have a tough time believing Carolina is a legitimate destination for Karlsson.
I would believe the premise of "Karlsson is willing to waive for two teams - Pittsburgh and Carolina" as the primary means of why Carolina is even in the discussion. Sure there may be trade talks because, as Dubas alluded to, anytime you have a guy like Karlsson available you have to do your due diligence to see if there is a fit. But Carolina seems more intent on TDA and Tarasenko...not Karlsson. So it could be one big rouse to keep teams (mainly, perhaps US) on our toes.
I can't imagine that possibility changing anything for Dubas though in terms of the price he's willing to pay. Again, this all seems very Kessel-esque where the Sharks need to trade Karlsson and there's one (maybe two) teams that can talk legitimately and when it gets down to the wire it will become a "Here's what we can do, take it or leave it". Then as Greier, you have to decide whether or not you're going to do right by Karlsson or not,
As much as I really don't think DK, there's legitimacy to what he just said.
GMs talk A LOT about a lot of different things. Some things get leaked, some don't. When guys like DK (or anyone else for that matter) report on a rumor, it doesn't always mean it will manifest into a trade but that is usually the metric we use to evaluate their legitimacy - all the while, forgetting that teams talk trades that don't go through all the time.
Now...let's just hope the trade inquiry is about Granlund, Petry, or Carter. Or, ideally, all three.
AuroraBorealis
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He would help their ES Forward scoring too with his playmaking. Very possible career years in the top six for a few guys.
I still don't think it's worth it though.
Karlsson would have to bring Pesce's value to the team (5-6M) and much more to justify 8.5M AAV and to negate the losses of the pieces going the other way.
It's just too much to ask from him at this stage in his career.
Ryder71
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Time to call this Pecse guy, Joe Pesce even though his last name is spelled with an i just for kicks..It all comes down to Joe Pesce..
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DesertedPenguin
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It was about Grzelcyk from Boston.
And I was more focused on the first part of his tweet. Of course there are varying levels of talks, some of which simply end after one conversation. But being afraid to be first on a rumor and being afraid of posting in the morning? Grow up. Either you have something as a reporter or you don't. If you don't have the confidence in your source/sources to report it, then keep digging until you do.
This actually adds credence to the criticism that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Real reporters aren't scared of being first.
Gurglesons
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I don't see the offers being that high with only 2 teams reportedly in it. If it was, it would've been accepted already imo.
The onus is on Grier here. Sure, he doesn't HAVE to make a trade. But what happens if the groin issues resurface if he holds onto EK. Or another injury happens. Grier obviously trying to hold out for the most he can get and rightfully so.
But if one of these GMs decide to go in another direction, he's royally screwed.
Personally, I'm not even sure the Canes are all that interested. They might've just floated their interested to strengthen their negotiations with their own players.
All the reports suddenly say today " It would be really costly for Pens to add Erik Karlson". I think they are afraid of losing draft picks. You have to give up stuff to get good players nowadays in this league. Of course this is what everyone was saying about that Arizona defensemen last year.
Gurglesons
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Getting a team to take cap dumps and retain 3+ mil of cap over 4 years was always going to be costly.
AuroraBorealis
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The difference is Chychrun can defend, is much younger, and he's a slam dunk to outperform that dirt cheap cap hit for years, with reasonable health provided.
That was a great deal for Ottawa. I think whoever acquires EK is gonna lose the deal, unless the asking price drops significantly.
orby
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This Karlsson talk reminds me of the Kessel situation in summer 2015. It dragged on while both sides waited for the other to blink on the asking price and worked out cap logistics, but there was never really any other team in the mix.
Empoleon8771
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Literally nothing has changed since a week ago regarding Karlsson. People need to stop jumping to insane conclusions because nothing has happened yet. Opinion pieces from The Hockey News mean nothing.
The situation is the same it has been for a week: San Jose is holding firm to see if the Penguins or Canes bite and increase their offer out of desperation. Both Carolina and Pittsburgh are being patient and not meeting San Jose's demands, and are instead focusing on addressing other holes on the roster. Any sort of trade with EK is going to be complicated, so it's going to take a bit of time.
My guess is that any sort of Karlsson to Pittsburgh deal will end up looking something like:
-Penguins get Karlsson at $8.5 million while retaining $1 million on Petry
-Dallas gets Petry at $5.25 million
-San Jose gets Marchment, Granlund, Ty Smith's RFA rights, a 2024 1st and a 2025 1st
The situation is the same it has been for a week: San Jose is holding firm to see if the Penguins or Canes bite and increase their offer out of desperation. Both Carolina and Pittsburgh are being patient and not meeting San Jose's demands, and are instead focusing on addressing other holes on the roster. Any sort of trade with EK is going to be complicated, so it's going to take a bit of time.
My guess is that any sort of Karlsson to Pittsburgh deal will end up looking something like:
-Penguins get Karlsson at $8.5 million while retaining $1 million on Petry
-Dallas gets Petry at $5.25 million
-San Jose gets Marchment, Granlund, Ty Smith's RFA rights, a 2024 1st and a 2025 1st
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