Free Agency and Trade Thread - Playoff Edition II

[dubplatepressure]

I'm amazed when people throw out names, and then don't really dig deep to see if there is a fit. You hit the nail on the head multiple times. This premise that we can just put Reilly on the right... when it's been tried and abandoned several times before. Our PK wasn't great, yet we are going to use people who haven't been that good at it before, or no experience. Obviously you've pointed out a need there... we need people who are Right Handed, who can defend, PK, move the puck, skate... That's not Miller, nor Kerfoot, nor Barrie.... But it is Spurgeon, Gudas, Larsson, Pesce.... Whatever changes we make, these trades are very important for us. We need to get them right and understand what our needs are..not just a body, not just a right handed body... but one who can defend, one who can PK, one who can move the puck, can skate preferably.... It might be a tall order, but the more boxes that we can tick, the better.

You don't need to be right handed or PK to play 3rd line center. Our current 3rd liner does neither. Jack Johnson is also right handed, as is Zadorov, as is Barrie. I can understand to some extent the hesitation with Barrie given he's a puck moving OFD and doesn't exactly address a weakness. Kerfoot is a plus in relative shot attempts this past year, had 5 less 5v5 pts less than Kadri playing 2m less per game on average. And he has a higher FO% than Kadri. I think he'd be just fine as a replacement.

 

[Fogelhund]

You don't need to be right handed or PK to play 3rd line center. Our current 3rd liner does neither. Jack Johnson is also right handed, as is Zadorov, as is Barrie. I can understand to some extent the hesitation with Barrie given he's a puck moving OFD and doesn't exactly address a weakness. Kerfoot is a plus in relative shot attempts this past year, had 5 less 5v5 pts less than Kadri playing 2m less per game on average. And he has a higher FO% than Kadri. I think he'd be just fine as a replacement.

I should wake up more before posting... lol... Yes, if you are moving a Kadri for RHD, Kerfoot would be a good addition if not ideal. My preference would still be a guy who can PK, and has experience doing so. I don't see Johnson, Zadorov or Barrie as the right answers for us though, as explained before.

 

[dubplatepressure]

I should wake up more before posting... lol... Yes, if you are moving a Kadri for RHD, Kerfoot would be a good addition if not ideal. My preference would still be a guy who can PK, and has experience doing so. I don't see Johnson, Zadorov or Barrie as the right answers for us though, as explained before.

I mean you did just say you want a defensive minded right handed D. That's exactly what Zadorov is and to a lesser extent Erik Johnson. EJ had over 3SHM/G this year for COL....

 

[SeaOfBlue]

You don't need to be right handed or PK to play 3rd line center. Our current 3rd liner does neither. Jack Johnson is also right handed, as is Zadorov, as is Barrie. I can understand to some extent the hesitation with Barrie given he's a puck moving OFD and doesn't exactly address a weakness. Kerfoot is a plus in relative shot attempts this past year, had 5 less 5v5 pts less than Kadri playing 2m less per game on average. And he has a higher FO% than Kadri. I think he'd be just fine as a replacement.

Actually neither Jack Johnson nor Nikita Zadorov are RHD. They may be RD though, IDK. On second thought, you probably meant Erik Johnson anyways, who is RHD. We would not want Jack... might as well keep Zaitsev.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Actually neither Jack Johnson nor Nikita Zadorov are RHD. They may be RD though, IDK. On second thought, you probably meant Erik Johnson anyways, who is RHD. We would not want Jack... might as well keep Zaitsev.

Whoops sorry yes - definitely EJ, not JJ. Definitely not JJ.


Edit - and just for clarity, Zadorov is left handed but plays the right side. EJ is right handed. COL fans have seemed to be open to EJ for Kadri swap too. Lots of possibilities there.

 

[Mad hatter]

Some people may not like me suggesting this, but if we trade Zaitsev... maybe its worth gambling on Voynov?

There would HAVE to be a lot of homework done. If guys like Muzzin suggest that Voynov is a good guy that made a stupid mistake and would be great to add to the organizaiton, then I'd considering going in on a 1 or two year deal.

I believe in second chances and I want nothing more than to see the leafs win but what Voynov did was disgusting. I was proud of the jays organization for how they handled the Osuna situation and I hope the leafs follow their lead. I personally hope Voynov never gets to play in the NHL again because, according to the reports, it went away beyond what should be forgave and he should have been deported and not aloud back. I’d also like to give a congratulations to the kings organization and for how they handle it. Again this is just my opinion but how far he went isn’t forgivable in my view and don’t want him on the team.

 

[MyBudJT]

I believe in second chances and I want nothing more than to see the leafs win but what Voynov did was disgusting. I was proud of the jays organization for how they handled the Osuna situation and I hope the leafs follow their lead. I personally hope Voynov never gets to play in the NHL again because, according to the reports, it went away beyond what should be forgave and he should have been deported and not aloud back. I’d also like to give a congratulations to the kings organization and for how they handle it. Again this is just my opinion but how far he went isn’t forgivable in my view and don’t want him on the team.

I'm sorry, I found this amusing.

"I believe in second chances" followed by "XXX person doesn't deserve a second chance".

Pick one!

Like I said, you'd have to do your research and make sure that you know what kind of person you'd be getting... but if guys like Muzzin think he'd benefit our organization.... why not?

 

[Mad hatter]

I'm sorry, I found this amusing.

"I believe in second chances" followed by "XXX person doesn't deserve a second chance".

Pick one!

Like I said, you'd have to do your research and make sure that you know what kind of person you'd be getting... but if guys like Muzzin think he'd benefit our organization.... why not?

Not sure why I have to pick one, it depends on the act I think, that’s what I meant about second chances. Lots of people do stupid things that aren’t them and 95% of them should be forgiven. In my view though sometimes acts aren’t forgivable and second chances aren’t deserved. How far he took it, I don’t believe he deserves a second chance. If you want to give a second chance to someone who could do that to his wife/girlfriend then your a better person then I am I guess because I don’t.

 

[MyBudJT]

Not sure why I have to pick one, it depends on the act I think, that’s what I meant about second chances. Lots of people do stupid things that aren’t them and 95% of them should be forgiven. In my view though sometimes acts aren’t forgivable and second chances aren’t deserved. How far he took it, I don’t believe he deserves a second chance. If you want to give a second chance to someone who could do that to his wife/girlfriend then your a better person then I am I guess because I don’t.

Then you don't believe in second chances... People do stupid things. Some change, and are different people after such events. If someone changes, and they're not the person they were before, then why not give them a second change (if you believe in second chances).

I don't even know the whole story, and not pretending to know. I'm not even advocating we sign him. I am just saying IF we do our homework, and he passess... then perhaps its an option to explore.

 

[NiL8r87]

Then you don't believe in second chances... People do stupid things. Some change, and are different people after such events. If someone changes, and they're not the person they were before, then why not give them a second change (if you believe in second chances).

I don't even know the whole story, and not pretending to know. I'm not even advocating we sign him. I am just saying IF we do our homework, and he passess... then perhaps its an option to explore.

Let's not travel down that road.

https://www.tsn.ca/talent/legal-look-disturbing-details-emerge-of-voynov-s-assault-on-wife-1.160584

 

[MyBudJT]

Let's not travel down that road.

https://www.tsn.ca/talent/legal-look-disturbing-details-emerge-of-voynov-s-assault-on-wife-1.160584

I'm not travelling down that road, but it looks like you want to.

I was talking about why I thought the post was amusing for it's hypocrisy.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

People who want Voynov on this team are on something. Leafs don’t need that kind of media attention, and/or tension in the locker room. What they guy did is disgusting, if any team can afford to give him a second chance it’s a team like Arizona that gets minimal attention.

 

[NiL8r87]

I'm not travelling down that road, but it looks like you want to.

I was talking about why I thought the post was amusing for it's hypocrisy.

I'm simply saying let's not travel down the Voynov road, for the reasons in the article.

 

[dubplatepressure]

My take on the Voynov thing - I am not opposed to him re-joining the league as a player. My personal preference is that he does not do this here.

 

[Mad hatter]

Then you don't believe in second chances... People do stupid things. Some change, and are different people after such events. If someone changes, and they're not the person they were before, then why not give them a second change (if you believe in second chances).

I don't even know the whole story, and not pretending to know. I'm not even advocating we sign him. I am just saying IF we do our homework, and he passess... then perhaps its an option to explore.

Maybe your right, maybe I really don’t and I’m sorry to have gotten so far off topic. I really think they’ll be able to get a decent for Zaitsev, he’s really not that bad. Got no RD at all once he’s gone though, Dubas is going to be a very busy man he in next 6 to 9 weeks, hopefully.
Go Leafs Go

 

[rumman]

Then you don't believe in second chances... People do stupid things. Some change, and are different people after such events. If someone changes, and they're not the person they were before, then why not give them a second change (if you believe in second chances).

I don't even know the whole story, and not pretending to know. I'm not even advocating we sign him. I am just saying IF we do our homework, and he passess... then perhaps its an option to explore.

reminds me of a Chuck Cannon song: "every sinner has a future, and every saint has a past"

 

[mydnyte]

I would love to get a cheap young LWer with size for Zaitsev...Maybe its unrealistic but a Zaitsev for N.Ritchie or Zaitsev for Micheal Dal Colle...I think Lou might bite.

We are deepest at RW, but, i'd try to take a flyer on Ho-Sang ...head is an issue, but, talent is not.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think the Voynov thing is easy to handle from a PR perspective. Here is a guy, maybe from a culture where this wasn't looked down on, as bad as it is here. He's made mistakes, and he's learning about North American culture, and what is right. The Leafs are going to support Women's rights, and start a charity....

by the way, as we judge Voynov keep in mind... culture and laws aren't the same everywhere else in the world, as they are in North America... nor have they been this way here in the past either. We are making great progress in positive directions, though we still have a long way to go even here. Old viewpoints, traditions and ways sometimes take a long time to change. In Russia, and other parts of Eastern Europe, such changes haven't happened as rapidly as they have here.

Domestic violence in Russia - Wikipedia

Decriminalisation of domestic violence in Russia leads to fall in reported cases

Domestic abuse is not always criminal in Russia

Violence Against Women in Russia | The Circle NGO

That isn't to suggest that he be excused, in the least. That isn't to condone what he did, but sometimes we need to understand, even that which we despise.

 

[Legion34]

Bob McKenzie just listed the following DMen as available With teams actively trying to move them.

Brodie. Hamonic. Miller. Trouba. Martinez.

CJ has mentioned subban. And ekblad. And Larson.

Myers and Karlson are UFAs. Gardiner as well.....

Obviously some of these are much less likely. But there are plenty of options.

 

[Fogelhund]

Bob McKenzie just listed the following DMen as available With teams actively trying to move them.

Brodie. Hamonic. Miller. Trouba. Martinez.

CJ has mentioned subban. And ekblad. And Larson.

Myers and Karlson are UFAs. Gardiner as well.....

Obviously some of these are much less likely. But there are plenty of options.

Whether it's one of these guys, or someone else, we probably need two RHD now. I think Spurgeon might be able to be shaken free.... Carolina is going to move someone, but not likely Pesce.

 

[ToneDog]

Bobby Mac mentioned moving Marleau and maybe a sweetener to LA for Martinez. I believe Martinez was paired with Muzzin in LA.

 

[Fogelhund]

Bobby Mac mentioned moving Marleau and maybe a sweetener to LA for Martinez. I believe Martinez was paired with Muzzin in LA.

Marleau, Zaitsev, 2nd pick, for Martinez, Voynov rights?

 

[Fogelhund]

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 21m21 minutes ago
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Hearing the Leafs and Kings have talked about a potential Patrick Marleau trade. Obviously there’s the Todd McLellan connection there for Marleau so he might waive. But as of now I don’t think the two teams have found a fit. Kings would need to unload a contract or two as well...

 

[ToneDog]

Marleau, Zaitsev, 2nd pick, for Martinez, Voynov rights?

You want to clear or cap in one fowl swoop I think you need to add a little more to get the Kings to bite. Also not sure whether Leafs would be interested in touching Voynov.

I might do Marleau, Z, AJ or 2nd for Martinez + something depending on how desperate Kings are to move Martinez.

 

[ToneDog]

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 21m21 minutes ago
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Hearing the Leafs and Kings have talked about a potential Patrick Marleau trade. Obviously there’s the Todd McLellan connection there for Marleau so he might waive. But as of now I don’t think the two teams have found a fit. Kings would need to unload a contract or two as well...

It is sure sounding like the Leafs agree with what many of the posters on this board have been saying for a long time that Marleau and Z need to be moved in order to move forward. I like it.