Value of: Framework of a Auston Matthews trade?

[Maukkis]

Toronto had a top heavy salary structure but I don't think Anaheim will run into that problem.

Zegras is going to pull what, 8x8?

Terry...6x6?

Matthews should be great or at worst good for 6 out of the 8 year extension at least, with no guarantee Fantilli or any other player they take will be remotely as good. Not sure what he would want to stay in Anaheim or maybe he'd embrace the warm weather + home country, 8 years, 12.7-13M?

More than likely Toronto just extends or attempts to extend Matthews but Anaheim has a ton of young talent at this point, this wouldn't be a move that hurts them. At some point it's okay to make a push and not try to collect picks forever.

I think this would be the easy way out (or just delaying the pain), but if you keep Matthews and trade another core player (Marner), how on Earth are you going to deal with his extension next year?

Dubas tried committing to his stars early on and had to pay dearly for it in the case of Matthews (the AAV was about fine, but the term was a clear mistake from day 1). If you signal similar levels of commitment to Matthews again, what is stopping him from asking for 15 AAV, knowing that you're pretty much forced to pay? Honest, genuine question.

I think that if the Leafs are offered two good roster players (think top 6 F/top 4 D level) that are youngish and/or have team control left for AM before July 1st, they should seriously consider taking the deal then and there. It's not ideal by any means, but it helps the team contend next year and is a better solution to the contract headache than trading Marner. Such a deal would be very hard to find, though.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

A place that seems like a good landing spot is Anaheim.

They have Zegras, Terry, Mintukov, Drysdale etc...I think Matthws would re-sign there but obviously Anaheim would need to know ahead.

Zegras-Matthews-Terry would be a fun line to watch.

Something with Henrique and 2nd overall for Matthews is a good starting point.

I think well happily take Fantilli at 2.

Fantilli Zegras
McTavish Terry

gives a good start to an exciting young top 6.


But im all ears on henrique to toronto trade.

Toronto had a top heavy salary structure but I don't think Anaheim will run into that problem.

Zegras is going to pull what, 8x8?

Terry...6x6?

Matthews should be great or at worst good for 6 out of the 8 year extension at least, with no guarantee Fantilli or any other player they take will be remotely as good. Not sure what he would want to stay in Anaheim or maybe he'd embrace the warm weather + home country, 8 years, 12.7-13M?

More than likely Toronto just extends or attempts to extend Matthews but Anaheim has a ton of young talent at this point, this wouldn't be a move that hurts them. At some point it's okay to make a push and not try to collect picks forever.

Zegras prob 8-8.5 x 8, Terry prob makes at least 7... he is super underrated player (and i think hell end up being the nylander of our rebuild).

Also have Drysdale to resign, tho i imagine we will bridge him

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

Matthews isn’t an ordinary rental. Keep in mind the team acquiring him will probably want to free up cap space and that means shipping contracts the other way. If you get more than one bidder for Matthews, which you will certainly have, then you can drive up the ask.

Think about Matthews in Chicago playing with Bedard in year 1 of a rebuild. I’m not sure the Hawks could resist that.

Los Angeles would be another prime destination… and they have assets to trade.

I'm sure the Hawks would love that but this is the stumbling block, teams either don't have the cap, don't have the assets or don't want to blow up a team/rebuild. The market for any $10m+ player not named McDavid will be limited.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think well happily take Fantilli at 2.

Fantilli Zegras
McTavish Terry

gives a good start to an exciting young top 6.


But im all ears on henrique to toronto trade.


Zegras prob 8-8.5 x 8, Terry prob makes at least 7... he is super underrated player (and i think hell end up being the nylander of our rebuild).

Also have Drysdale to resign, tho i imagine we will bridge him

Drysdale is probably going to get 1.4-1.6M similar to Sandin/Liljegren for the next 2 years.

Matthews is probably more exciting than any of the 4 forwards you listed and should be the most expensive with none of Zegras or Terry being able to demand anywhere close to what Matthews can ask for.

The problem Toronto had is adding JT for 11 when Matthews/Marner were better and could ask for similar.

Anyways, although I think it's a fit that could work, Anaheim could just continue to draft players too.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Drysdale is probably going to get 1.4-1.6M similar to Sandin/Liljegren for the next 2 years.

Matthews is probably more exciting than any of the 4 forwards you listed and should be the most expensive with none of Zegras or Terry being able to demand anywhere close to what Matthews can ask for.

The problem Toronto had is adding JT for 11 when Matthews/Marner were better and could ask for similar.

Anyways, although I think it's a fit that could work, Anaheim could just continue to draft players too.

I think drysdale bridges higher than both tbh... i think he goes around 3. Maybe but were not building for excitement, were building for championships.... you seen first hand what happened when toronto tried to take a shortcut with tavares.

PV has been pretty up front about the importance of building through the draft.... We could also just wait until matthews is a free agent and throw money at him if his intention is to play in the southern united states.

Zegras Matthews McTavish
Vatrano Fantilli Terry

would be a pretty nice top 6

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think drysdale bridges higher than both tbh... i think he goes around 3. Maybe but were not building for excitement, were building for championships.... you seen first hand what happened when toronto tried to take a shortcut with tavares.

PV has been pretty up front about the importance of building through the draft.... We could also just wait until matthews is a free agent and throw money at him if his intention is to play in the southern united states.

Zegras Matthews McTavish
Vatrano Fantilli Terry

would be a pretty nice top 6

Could be.

All this could be a moot point too, the last thing that came out of Matthews mouth was that he wanted a contract in place before the start of next season.

I haven't heard of a player suddenly wanting to leave a team because a GM left, if you offer the guy 12.7-13M x 8 years, full NMC and all the signing bonuses and assurances of trying to surround him with a competitive roster and he won't commit in a handshake to being a Leaf on July 1st, you probably need to trade him at the draft because that's the best contract in the league.

After July 1st, he has all the power and if he asks 14-15M per and you're unable to trade him without his approval, you've shifted the power to his side which isn't smart.

 

[McGarnagle]

Lysell, Lohrei, Hall, Grzelcyk

 

[Budz]

If he does not sign.

It’s Matthews at 50% to a contender.

Top Prospect/young NHL player
Picks
A prospect

 

[dirtydanglez]

If he does not sign.

It’s Matthews at 50% to a contender.

Top Prospect/young NHL player
Picks
A prospect

nmc

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

ARZ wouldn't give up anything close to that. To rent Matthews for one year before he hits UFA?

Every part of that post is ****ing awful.

Its only redeeming quality is that the names are all spelled correctly.

It would be on the assumption that Matthews signs long term. I should have pointed that out.

 

[ole ole]

No your assumptions are awful. Any team trading for Matthews will ask to speak with his agent before handing over assets. Try to deal in reality not your own head.

Well lets add what his contract request is first. Till you know that he isn't worth jack.

I thought it went without saying that any deal this big comes with an extension.....

But what does the extension look like? You don't offer all that if you have to pay out 14 mil a season for Matthews. Not a chance. At that price the Leafs can keep him.

 

[ole ole]

If Matthews doesn't sign within the next 2 to 3 weeks he will be traded to one of 3 to 5 teams he's willing to extend with. The return will be big depending on who is involved and how bad those handful of teams want him.

And the ask for his new contract will scare at least 2-3 of those teams away.

 

[ole ole]

And the ask for his new contract will scare at least 2-3 of those teams away.

I for one would not gut my team just to give Matthews14 mil a season.
I wouldn't want him at 14 mil a season.

 

[Budz]

nmc

Before July 1.

 

[HABitual Fan]

I dont think The Habs should or would do this but from The Habs I would expect the deal to look like this....

Habs 1st
Slaf
Guhle

Or

Caufield
Guhle
Fla 1st.


I dont know. maybe im not even close. Its so rare a player the level of Matthews gets traded so knowing the value is hard.....

I'll keep the multiple players for the pricetag that he will carry. He may be damaged goods as well, so without a medical evaluation his value is up in the air as well. His postseason performance also raises questions. For me I don't think I would risk 8 years of him probably with a NMC.

I dont think The Habs should or would do this but from The Habs I would expect the deal to look like this....

Habs 1st
Slaf
Guhle

Or

Caufield
Guhle
Fla 1st.


I dont know. maybe im not even close. Its so rare a player the level of Matthews gets traded so knowing the value is hard.....

I'll keep the multiple players for the pricetag that he will carry. He may be damaged goods as well, so without a medical evaluation his value is up in the air as well. His postseason performance also raises questions. For me I don't think I would risk 8 years of him probably with a NMC.

 

[General Fanager]

Well lets add what his contract request is first. Till you know that he isn't worth jack.


But what does the extension look like? You don't offer all that if you have to pay out 14 mil a season for Matthews. Not a chance. At that price the Leafs can keep him.

Sure you can. His deal isn't the problem in Toronto and wouldn't be the problem on any new team. The killer is Tavares. A 2nd line center making 11 is a back breaker....

 

[dirtydanglez]

Before July 1.

he cant sign before then.

 

[John Mandalorian]

With that NMC, the best thing Toronto can do is either back up the truck, then wait out the Tavares contract. One would expect the new GM to have some leeway to wait out the Tavares contract before making other more significant moves.

Or wait for him to hit free agency where they might find out they're bidding against themselves less than during the season.

Can Arizona even afford to keep him?

 

[McVespa99]

If LA is getting an extended Matthews, you’d owe Toronto a lot more than Byfield and Kempe.

That partly depends on how much he is extended for. If it is a number that starts with 13 there wont be many teams that could trade for him even if they wanted to so that would limit his value in a trade

 

[General Fanager]

I'll keep the multiple players for the pricetag that he will carry. He may be damaged goods as well, so without a medical evaluation his value is up in the air as well. His postseason performance also raises questions. For me I don't think I would risk 8 years of him probably with a NMC.

Totally fair, I forgot he might have the wrist damage

 

[HuGo Sham]

I dont think The Habs should or would do this but from The Habs I would expect the deal to look like this....

Habs 1st
Slaf
Guhle

Or

Caufield
Guhle
Fla 1st.


I dont know. maybe im not even close. Its so rare a player the level of Matthews gets traded so knowing the value is hard.....

for a UFA? never, and even with an extension - maybe michkov (@5), slafkovsky and a top 1-2 D? Why would habs entertain this? You've destroyed rebuild by trading a potential 40 goal scorer, a potential power forward and the kind of Dman habs have been looking for since trading sergachev.
Matthews is great but it's a sideways move at best for a rebuilding team like Montreal.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Don’t forget he probably only signs a 5 year deal again,
Last deal got 95% signing bonus and best term they could get was 5 years.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Here is framework for you

To
C Austin Matthews (50% retained on this coming year by Hawks)
W Mike Hardman (Just contract dump from Hawks, could be cheap #13 F or play in AHL)

To
C Quinton Byfield
W Adrian Kempe
D Sean Durzi
Kings 2025 2nd (Becomes 1st if Kings make it to WCF next season)

To
G Cal Petersen (2 x $5M)
D Sean Walker (1 x $2.65M)
C Alex Turcotte
Kings 2024 1st

Kings land Matthews at 50% for coming year while signing him to extension this summer and unload Petersen/Walker allowing them to sign Gavrikov while also either bringing back Korpisalo or looking for another option in goal to be #1 via FA/Trade

Leafs get a goal scoring winger (35 + 41 goals the last 2 seasons) signed at nice value for next 3 years, Young NHL C in Byfield, A young NHL RD in Durzi and a pick in 2025 draft that has potential to become 1st round pick

Hawks eat 50% of Matthews cost this year while taking on Petersen + Walker contracts. As compensation they get 2024 1st + Turcotte who gets his chance as Hawks #2C this coming year to prove if he can finally get his career going after all the injuries.

 

[rockinghockey]

For a pending UFA? No

Of course it comes with an extension

 

[CapsFrontOffice]

The problem is despite recent performance,Matthews is a top tier elite player. Ovie, Crosby or McDavid, Mathews level.

Toronto's goal in a draft pick would be a Austin Mathews....there are not many of those. Even if Bedard was offered you are looking at proven NHL player vs prospective.

I think the Leafs do what it takes to keep him no matter what....there are an awful lot of Mathews Jerseys in Toronto as well. If Matthews gets traded or signs elsewhere Leafs fans are gonna make Montreal fans look like amateur hour and they would be right in doing so.

You don't trade or not re-sign an elite player .....at all costs you build everything around them.

Do we have any indication Matthews wants out of Toronto? I doubt he does because he kind of holds the cards on his next contract amount there.