Value of: Framework of a Auston Matthews trade?

[Matty Sundin]

I feel like his agent would heavily try to discourage him to go to Arizona.

 

[Marner4Life]

Fans won't like it but something like

LA: Matthews
Toronto: Byfield and Kempe
Third team: Petersen and picks from both sides

Matthews takes Kopitar's money next year and LA are set with him and Danualt for their entire window.

Not enough to Leaf’s

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

Not enough to Leaf’s

That's just a framework for a deal. However, the Leafs have little leverage. If he will only extend with say one of five teams, and none of them offer a big package, they're trading him as a rental which won't be a big package.

He has the Leafs bent over right now.

 

[kinghock]

Byfield has almost no value until he proves he can play at the NHL level and put up some atleast average numbers. Take him out and add a piece that actually has some value.

Matthews is average playoff performer with possible 13-15 million contract. For all the time he was in Toronto he proved that he is not difference maker during playoff time. LA biggest problems are defense, goaltending and not enough physicality. They need money to sign their own free agents (Gavrikov, Vilardi and Kupari). If Matthews will be signed by Kings, LA will have no ability to have deep and talented roster needed for contending team. I believe Kings should stay away from trading for Matthews.

 

[dirtydanglez]

To Arizona:
-Matthews

To Toronto:
-6th overall 2023 (will get a great player like Smith or Michkov)
-Guenther
-Geekie

OR

-Cooley
-6th overall

OR
-Keller
-Cooley/6th overall


I don’t think I’d give up more than that if I’m Arizona, but maybe a small add like a 2nd/B Prospect/decent roster player.

thats steep. arizona shouldnt do either of those.

 

[General Fanager]

Yeah none of these get it done.

Today you are probably right, but if he doesn't resign on July 1st and then it starts to hang over the team.......price goes down every day

 

[dirtydanglez]

Today you are probably right, but if he doesn't resign on July 1st and then it starts to hang over the team.......price goes down every day

way down. his ntc kicks in by then which really kills the market.

 

[Djp]

Considering he’s going to be able to block any trades soon, If they plan to trade him, It’s now or never.

Of course they can go the Nylander or Marner Route, But it all depends if AM Signs or not.

I’m just curious about the framework of a Matthews trade might be?

It’s illegal to discuss any framework on an extension until July 1 when a non movement clause kicks in.

you are going to be trading him as a 1 yr rental…not a sign and trade. You can’t ride contingencies on him resigning.

 

[General Fanager]

way down. his ntc kicks in by then which really kills the market.

Its worse...

its a full no move clause.....

 

[WTFMAN99]

Why would Anaheim sabotage and massively accelerate their rebuild instead of just selecting their cost-controlled franchise center at #2?

Matthews is the sure thing, name appeal, interest in the franchise is revitalized pretty instantly with a splash like that.

Anaheim has a ton of youth already.

Maybe they play it safe with the 2nd overall pick too though.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Matthews is the sure thing, name appeal, interest in the franchise is revitalized pretty instantly with a splash like that.

Anaheim has a ton of youth already.

Maybe they play it safe with the 2nd overall pick too though.

any team trying to cut a rebuild short by trading for matthews is gonna end up in the same boat toronto did by trying to take shortcuts with tavares.

 

[WTFMAN99]

any team trying to cut a rebuild short by trading for matthews is gonna end up in the same boat toronto did by trying to take shortcuts with tavares.

Why?

 

[General Fanager]

any team trying to cut a rebuild short by trading for matthews is gonna end up in the same boat toronto did by trying to take shortcuts with tavares.

Not necessarily.

The other team would need to mange the cap better. I think we can all agree that he would be the best player on any team that would trade for him. There is no problem to pay him as such. The problem lies with their 2-5th best players on that team. They cant be 10+ like in Toronto.

Why?

3 guys all making 10+ at the same position is not a good idea....as we see in Toronto.

 

[RoadWarrior]

To Arizona:
-Matthews

To Toronto:
-6th overall 2023 (will get a great player like Smith or Michkov)
-Guenther
-Geekie

OR

-Cooley
-6th overall

OR
-Keller
-Cooley/6th overall


I don’t think I’d give up more than that if I’m Arizona, but maybe a small add like a 2nd/B Prospect/decent roster player.

Arizona doesn’t have an arena.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Why?

the early success is going to lead to worse draft picks and therefor worse prospects. to acquire matthews at this point you're going to need to cut further into your draft picks and/or prospects. combine that with a big money contract on a player who like be on the backside of their prime by the team is a serious competitor. you'll also have less/worse assets to move on deadline deals when the time is right. it's the recipe for good not great.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

I don't think any competing team can sign him without sending massive amounts of cap back, and virtually none of the competing teams have the assets to acquire him.

IMHO there's a 90% chance he re-signs in Toronto.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Today you are probably right, but if he doesn't resign on July 1st and then it starts to hang over the team.......price goes down every day

It’s either he’s moved now for much more than discussed in this thread.

Or he plays out his contract and either walks or re-signs.

 

[Fatass]

If LA is getting an extended Matthews, you’d owe Toronto a lot more than Byfield and Kempe.

Extended Matthews for:
Byfield
Clarke
2024 (unprotected) first.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Matthews has NMC clause on July 1. Arizona doesn't have to give up that much if he gets to July 1. Matthews will not want to see his new team raided. Lot of potential for Leafs to get exposed on this.

The most likely scenario is that he gets dealt at the draft… draft picks would certainly be involved. Possibly a top 10 pick with at least one top line player coming back the other way for cap purposes.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Not necessarily.

The other team would need to mange the cap better. I think we can all agree that he would be the best player on any team that would trade for him. There is no problem to pay him as such. The problem lies with their 2-5th best players on that team. They cant be 10+ like in Toronto.


3 guys all making 10+ at the same position is not a good idea....as we see in Toronto.

the early success is going to lead to worse draft picks and therefor worse prospects. to acquire matthews at this point you're going to need to cut further into your draft picks and/or prospects. combine that with a big money contract on a player who like be on the backside of their prime by the team is a serious competitor. you'll also have less/worse assets to move on deadline deals when the time is right. it's the recipe for good not great.

Toronto had a top heavy salary structure but I don't think Anaheim will run into that problem.

Zegras is going to pull what, 8x8?

Terry...6x6?

Matthews should be great or at worst good for 6 out of the 8 year extension at least, with no guarantee Fantilli or any other player they take will be remotely as good. Not sure what he would want to stay in Anaheim or maybe he'd embrace the warm weather + home country, 8 years, 12.7-13M?

More than likely Toronto just extends or attempts to extend Matthews but Anaheim has a ton of young talent at this point, this wouldn't be a move that hurts them. At some point it's okay to make a push and not try to collect picks forever.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

It’s either he’s moved now for much more than discussed in this thread.

Or he plays out his contract and either walks or re-signs.

Genuine question and not antagonistic, what do you think he returns if moved now? If much more than discussed in this thread, it'd be interesting to hear the type of deal you're talking.

 

[General Fanager]

It’s either he’s moved now for much more than discussed in this thread.

Or he plays out his contract and either walks or re-signs.

Possible but I dont think a team will gut their team to trade for him. They will need players to play with him.

It will be a lot for sure but I suspect not as much as you would expect.

Just out of curiosity, what would you be looking for in a deal for him?

 

[RoadWarrior]

That's just a framework for a deal. However, the Leafs have little leverage. If he will only extend with say one of five teams, and none of them offer a big package, they're trading him as a rental which won't be a big package.

He has the Leafs bent over right now.

Matthews isn’t an ordinary rental. Keep in mind the team acquiring him will probably want to free up cap space and that means shipping contracts the other way. If you get more than one bidder for Matthews, which you will certainly have, then you can drive up the ask.

Think about Matthews in Chicago playing with Bedard in year 1 of a rebuild. I’m not sure the Hawks could resist that.

Los Angeles would be another prime destination… and they have assets to trade.

 

[General Fanager]

Matthews isn’t an ordinary rental. Keep in mind the team acquiring him will probably want to free up cap space and that means shipping contracts the other way. If you get more than one bidder for Matthews, which you will certainly have, then you can drive up the ask.

Think about Matthews in Chicago playing with Bedard in year 1 of a rebuild. I’m not sure the Hawks could resist that.

Los Angeles would be another prime destination… and they have assets to trade.

Rangers too

 

[dirtydanglez]

Toronto had a top heavy salary structure but I don't think Anaheim will run into that problem.

Zegras is going to pull what, 8x8?

Terry...6x6?

Matthews should be great or at worst good for 6 out of the 8 year extension at least, with no guarantee Fantilli or any other player they take will be remotely as good. Not sure what he would want to stay in Anaheim or maybe he'd embrace the warm weather + home country, 8 years, 12.7-13M?

More than likely Toronto just extends or attempts to extend Matthews but Anaheim has a ton of young talent at this point, this wouldn't be a move that hurts them. At some point it's okay to make a push and not try to collect picks forever.

if im anaheim i just wait until my young core is good enough to challenge for a playoff spot before i make a move like that. in the meantime they can grab a great young defender next draft. maybe they get matthews for free at that point but i'd still stick with the young core.

toronto had top 10 pick draft picks 8 out of 9 consecutive years. anaheim is at like 4 or 5, they can go a bit longer.