Proposal: Forget a Shakeup. New York Rangers Fire Sale

[bernmeister]

I am not sure you are selling at Fox's high point. He scored his 1st goal 20 games in. His D partner will most likely be moved shortly. His point total is good, but this is hardly a Norris year. Yes, the NMC kicks in and it's your jump off point for a while, but what makes that ideal for a buyer? It's ideal for you, I get that. What is the minimum a team has to get for him in your mind?

While I would responsibly listen to all offers, I do not have a generic benchmark in mind [i.e., MUST be this level draft pick next yr, or this quality level of prospect] for each and every team.
The fit I think is best and anticipated return I expect to be most given match up of diff team assets available as potential currency, is OTT.

Fox and my next Rs 2nd [couple yrs hence]
for
Kleven, Pinto, Grieg, and down the road [circa 2030] Sens 1st

The 2 Fs happen to help w/pivot issues and Klevin is good young D, elc, etc

 

[DFC]

I've wanted Kreider in TB for like 5 years but I have no idea how to make the money work.

 

[bleedblue94]

Someone else was Miller, I had Lindgren in my proposal. I like that Lindgren is a UFA, if he really is cooked, I like that we can move on.

Sorry then. Can you repost your proposal.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

Crouse, Hayton, Valimaki, 2025 2nd (UHC), and 2026 2nd (NYR) for Zibanejad (25%), Kreider, and Lindgren.

NYR get younger and adds a few picks, while decreasing cap. Wouldn't say they get better or worse by the deal.

UHC gets more experienced for a playoff push. Unfortunately, Zibanejad has a lot of time on that contract, might be manageable in the later years at $6.375m.

@bleedblue94

 

[bleedblue94]

@bleedblue94

25 on Mika is too much. Not with that term

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

25 on Mika is too much. Not with that term

Yea we covered this part already. You don't like the retention, I won't do it without. Then you mentioned Miller (probably didn't mean to quote me), and I said I hadn't, it was Lindgren, then you said oh sorry, show me your proposal again, then I did, then you mentioned the retention again, and I made this post right here.

 

[bleedblue94]

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Yea we covered this part already. You don't like the retention, I won't do it without. Then you mentioned Miller (probably didn't mean to quote me), and I said I hadn't, it was Lindgren, then you said oh sorry, show me your proposal again, then I did, then you mentioned the retention again, and I made this post right here.

I'm almost certain that originally that proposal was around with Miller instead of lindgren. Regardless what team has traded a player and retained that much money for this many years?

 

[bernmeister]

@bleedblue94

imo should not be unwilling to retain up to max on zib

 

[5cotland]

imo should not be unwilling to retain up to max on zib

You have the worst opinion of any NYR fan on this forum and the fact you have the mindset to retain for 5/6 years is just insanity.

 

[bernmeister]

You have the worst opinion of any NYR fan on this forum and the fact you have the mindset to retain for 5/6 years is just insanity.

that is your op and I acknowledge your right to that, even if it is erroneous

zib is a lost cause
accept the retained cap as price for being stupid and not listening to me about nmcs in the first place

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

imo should not be unwilling to retain up to max on zib

I guess it depends on the direction you feel NYR should take.

As @5cotland mentioned, albeit in a less than tactful way, retaining 50% for the duration of the contract is a lot. You'd need to be thinking rebuild for that to make sense. $4.25 is a very good 3c, you'd be spending Zib money for a different fit essentially, if you retain.

In a retool situation, which I think NYR could and maybe should entertain, 25% is the max I think you should go. $2.125 is becoming a smaller and smaller figure. Though still not ideal, it's very manageable.

If my mindset is just to move him for other areas of the roster, and otherwise to carry on as normal, I wouldn't retain anything.

 

[bernmeister]

I guess it depends on the direction you feel NYR should take.

As @5cotland mentioned, albeit in a less than tactful way, retaining 50% for the duration of the contract is a lot. You'd need to be thinking rebuild for that to make sense. $4.25 is a very good 3c, you'd be spending Zib money for a different fit essentially, if you retain.

In a retool situation, which I think NYR could and maybe should entertain, 25% is the max I think you should go. $2.125 is becoming a smaller and smaller figure. Though still not ideal, it's very manageable.

If my mindset is just to move him for other areas of the roster, and otherwise to carry on as normal, I wouldn't retain anything.

IMO, general approach by teams should be foundation of build w/ [pref quality] youth
Rs are not only not an exception
or have a track record lately of building lots of young assets

but rather
they are paying for stupidity of going w/preference for vets

as they unload first the deadwood and then productive vets, the payroll will be leaner and better able to handle the 4+ for coupla yrs

 

[5cotland]

that is your op and I acknowledge your right to that, even if it is erroneous

zib is a lost cause
accept the retained cap as price for being stupid and not listening to me about nmcs in the first place

How is he a lost cause? He is going through a tough spell alongside the majority of the team. It's only 32 games into the season and he still has 21 points. He literally had 6 points in 6 games less than 2 weeks ago.

Mika will find his form again like he always does.

 

[Mrfenn92]

How is he a lost cause? He is going through a tough spell alongside the majority of the team. It's only 32 games into the season and he still has 21 points. He literally had 6 points in 6 games less than 2 weeks ago.

Mika will find his form again like he always does.

It’s bern

 

[bernmeister]

How is he a lost cause? He is going through a tough spell alongside the majority of the team. It's only 32 games into the season and he still has 21 points. He literally had 6 points in 6 games less than 2 weeks ago.

Mika will find his form again like he always does.

how? both physically and mentally!
since he went full veg, he seems to be a qrtr step behind, does not shoot properly [he takes that recognized, predictable 1 timer on the PP and it is markedly more ineffective], his decision making is poor, and worst, other players either fly by or run over him

 

[Sparksrus3]

Such a funny thread
ZiB - no movement clause
panarin - no movement clause
Trocheck - no movement clause
Kreider - limited trade

The Rangers will turn it around and make the
Playoffs and win a round or 2 or 3.

I am the furthest away from being a Ranger fan by the way …

Happy Holidays all

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

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I'm almost certain that originally that proposal was around with Miller instead of lindgren. Regardless what team has traded a player and retained that much money for this many years?

There was someone else either in this thread or one of the others who made one about Miller. I'd have to go looking and I don't feel like it lol. I've had multiple convos around Lindgren over the past 6 weeks. With his play, UFA status, and age, he could be the perfect buy lower (as there is risk involved) 2LD to put with Durzi.

Edit: As for if this has happened in the past, no clue. Nor does that really matter, just because something isn't happening, doesn't mean it shouldn't. Different situations call for different solutions.

Now I'm not saying NY should do it, only that if I were Utah's GM, I wouldn't make the trade without. The proposal has for the most part been well received, the only point of contention thus far has been the retention.

Crouse, Hayton, Valimaki, 2025 3rd (UHC), and 2026 2nd (NYR)

For

Zibanejad (15%), Kreider, Lindgren, and 2025 4th

$850k less in retention for a 2025 3rd (4th going back) instead of a 2nd. Does that feel more reasonable on your end?

 

[bleedblue94]

There was someone else either in this thread or one of the others who made one about Miller. I'd have to go looking and I don't feel like it lol. I've had multiple convos around Lindgren over the past 6 weeks. With his play, UFA status, and age, he could be the perfect buy lower (as there is risk involved) 2LD to put with Durzi.

Edit: As for if this has happened in the past, no clue. Nor does that really matter, just because something isn't happening, doesn't mean it shouldn't. Different situations call for different solutions.

Now I'm not saying NY should do it, only that if I were Utah's GM, I wouldn't make the trade without. The proposal has for the most part been well received, the only point of contention thus far has been the retention.

Crouse, Hayton, Valimaki, 2025 3rd (UHC), and 2026 2nd (NYR)

For

Zibanejad (15%), Kreider, Lindgren, and 2025 4th

$850k less in retention for a 2025 3rd (4th going back) instead of a 2nd. Does that feel more reasonable on your end?

I think this is more complicated then it needs to be. Nyr could just deal lindgren separately at the deadline. If you needed some retention that nyr would retain on kreider for the 1.5 years. I would even say they could go to 50 percent on that. So the question I would have is what are you sending back for

Kreider at 50 percent and mika?

 

[LBpuzzels]

If your going to fire sale what you got to do it:

Trade Lingren
Retain 50% and trade Kreider
Retain 50% and trade Panarin
Retain 20-50% and trade Zibanejab (tough to retain for that long but get max value. Say what you want about his current play but with retention he has good value)

The NMC/NTC will make it harder but #20, #10, & #93 should all return significant packages.
You would still have important pieces in place if you wanted to "Reload" or you can look to keep off loading if you want to go "full rebuild"

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

It’s bern

Hahaha, yup.