Proposal: Forget a Shakeup. New York Rangers Fire Sale

[bernmeister]

I am not sure you are selling at Fox's high point. He scored his 1st goal 20 games in. His D partner will most likely be moved shortly. His point total is good, but this is hardly a Norris year. Yes, the NMC kicks in and it's your jump off point for a while, but what makes that ideal for a buyer? It's ideal for you, I get that. What is the minimum a team has to get for him in your mind?

While I would responsibly listen to all offers, I do not have a generic benchmark in mind [i.e., MUST be this level draft pick next yr, or this quality level of prospect] for each and every team.
The fit I think is best and anticipated return I expect to be most given match up of diff team assets available as potential currency, is OTT.

Fox and my next Rs 2nd [couple yrs hence]
for
Kleven, Pinto, Grieg, and down the road [circa 2030] Sens 1st

The 2 Fs happen to help w/pivot issues and Klevin is good young D, elc, etc

 

[DFC]

I've wanted Kreider in TB for like 5 years but I have no idea how to make the money work.

 

[bleedblue94]

Someone else was Miller, I had Lindgren in my proposal. I like that Lindgren is a UFA, if he really is cooked, I like that we can move on.

Sorry then. Can you repost your proposal.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

Crouse, Hayton, Valimaki, 2025 2nd (UHC), and 2026 2nd (NYR) for Zibanejad (25%), Kreider, and Lindgren.

NYR get younger and adds a few picks, while decreasing cap. Wouldn't say they get better or worse by the deal.

UHC gets more experienced for a playoff push. Unfortunately, Zibanejad has a lot of time on that contract, might be manageable in the later years at $6.375m.

@bleedblue94

 

[bleedblue94]

@bleedblue94

25 on Mika is too much. Not with that term

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

25 on Mika is too much. Not with that term

Yea we covered this part already. You don't like the retention, I won't do it without. Then you mentioned Miller (probably didn't mean to quote me), and I said I hadn't, it was Lindgren, then you said oh sorry, show me your proposal again, then I did, then you mentioned the retention again, and I made this post right here.

 

[bleedblue94]

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Yea we covered this part already. You don't like the retention, I won't do it without. Then you mentioned Miller (probably didn't mean to quote me), and I said I hadn't, it was Lindgren, then you said oh sorry, show me your proposal again, then I did, then you mentioned the retention again, and I made this post right here.

I'm almost certain that originally that proposal was around with Miller instead of lindgren. Regardless what team has traded a player and retained that much money for this many years?

 

[bernmeister]

@bleedblue94

imo should not be unwilling to retain up to max on zib

 

[5cotland]

imo should not be unwilling to retain up to max on zib

You have the worst opinion of any NYR fan on this forum and the fact you have the mindset to retain for 5/6 years is just insanity.

 

[bernmeister]

You have the worst opinion of any NYR fan on this forum and the fact you have the mindset to retain for 5/6 years is just insanity.

that is your op and I acknowledge your right to that, even if it is erroneous

zib is a lost cause
accept the retained cap as price for being stupid and not listening to me about nmcs in the first place

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

imo should not be unwilling to retain up to max on zib

I guess it depends on the direction you feel NYR should take.

As @5cotland mentioned, albeit in a less than tactful way, retaining 50% for the duration of the contract is a lot. You'd need to be thinking rebuild for that to make sense. $4.25 is a very good 3c, you'd be spending Zib money for a different fit essentially, if you retain.

In a retool situation, which I think NYR could and maybe should entertain, 25% is the max I think you should go. $2.125 is becoming a smaller and smaller figure. Though still not ideal, it's very manageable.

If my mindset is just to move him for other areas of the roster, and otherwise to carry on as normal, I wouldn't retain anything.

 

[bernmeister]

I guess it depends on the direction you feel NYR should take.

As @5cotland mentioned, albeit in a less than tactful way, retaining 50% for the duration of the contract is a lot. You'd need to be thinking rebuild for that to make sense. $4.25 is a very good 3c, you'd be spending Zib money for a different fit essentially, if you retain.

In a retool situation, which I think NYR could and maybe should entertain, 25% is the max I think you should go. $2.125 is becoming a smaller and smaller figure. Though still not ideal, it's very manageable.

If my mindset is just to move him for other areas of the roster, and otherwise to carry on as normal, I wouldn't retain anything.

IMO, general approach by teams should be foundation of build w/ [pref quality] youth
Rs are not only not an exception
or have a track record lately of building lots of young assets

but rather
they are paying for stupidity of going w/preference for vets

as they unload first the deadwood and then productive vets, the payroll will be leaner and better able to handle the 4+ for coupla yrs

 

[5cotland]

that is your op and I acknowledge your right to that, even if it is erroneous

zib is a lost cause
accept the retained cap as price for being stupid and not listening to me about nmcs in the first place

How is he a lost cause? He is going through a tough spell alongside the majority of the team. It's only 32 games into the season and he still has 21 points. He literally had 6 points in 6 games less than 2 weeks ago.

Mika will find his form again like he always does.

 

[Mrfenn92]

How is he a lost cause? He is going through a tough spell alongside the majority of the team. It's only 32 games into the season and he still has 21 points. He literally had 6 points in 6 games less than 2 weeks ago.

Mika will find his form again like he always does.

It’s bern