OT: Football Thread

[17futurecap]

Pathetic from the Jets D tonight as well, they deserve plenty of blame.

The offense is just atrocious, the Jets scoring drive was -3 yards.

 

[Crease]

Wilson out. Streveler in.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Feel bad for Zach now

 

[Crease]

Streveler is basically a right-handed Tim Tebow. Better than Wilson but still not good.

 

[17futurecap]

It's over for Zach, there is no coming back from this, best for both sides to go their separate ways.

The Strev drive was fun, but his arm is hilarious, Uzomah had a walk in TD.

 

[Crease]

You can’t go back to Wilson next week but you also can’t run a full game with Streveler’s playbook. Flacco? Yuck.

 

[17futurecap]

You can’t go back to Wilson next week but you also can’t run a full game with Steveler’s playbook. Flacco? Yuck.

It's tank season, lose out, which they should, and pick 10-12th. From 5-2 to 7-10.

 

[Crease]

Jets scored three points and that’s only because their defense recovered a fumble in the red zone.

 

[17futurecap]

 

[Ben Grimm]

Wilson got Philly booed! All the Jets QBs have QBRs under 50.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

It's over for Zach, there is no coming back from this, best for both sides to go their separate ways.

Yep. He lost the team earlier in the year but tonight he lost the fans.

It's over in NY.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

The Jets season was derailed by injuries and Zach Wilson.

Bring in an actual QB next season and assuming the Jets have better luck with injuries, they're a shoo-in playoff team.

 

[smoneil]

Out coached and out played at every level today.

As far as Zach is concerned, no team moves on from a 2nd overall pick after two (partial) seasons of football. It is idiotic asset management (and ZW will cost more on our cap OFF the roster than he will ON the roster). It's in the Jets' best interests to repair the asset.

That said, Wilson needs more than a re-set. He needs a full re-programming. The team needs to approach him, admit that they screwed up his development, and pitch him a long term plan where he holds a clip board for a full season (minimum). They bring in a new, more experienced OC. They bring in a vet to bridge to him for a year or two. Basically all the stuff they should have done the moment they drafted him. Then, they approach the rest of the roster and tell them to get over themselves and get on board with getting the kid right (no more middle school bullshit). If Wilson doesn't want to do that (and I frankly wouldn't blame him), then trade him for the best possible return, draft a developmental QB, and sign the best vet you can to a ~2-3 year deal. The tricky part will be the draft, because the team desperately needs at least one OT, a run-stuffer, and ideally a new center. Adding a new developmental QB with actual starter potential is something that will take up resources that we don't have in abundance anymore (I almost forgot what it was like to just have one pick in each of the first few rounds, haha).

Edited to add: I am REALLY curious as to what happened between Wilson and the locker room. If he did something unforgivable (racist comment, bonked some guy's mom, whatever), then they need to just cut their losses with him. If it's solely over his play, then the rest of the roster needs a major attitude adjustment. They literally look like they hate playing on the same field with him. I get that he hasn't been great this season, but when a player struggles, a team is supposed to pick him up. Too many guys on this roster opted to kick him when he was down instead (which is why I really wonder if there's not more going on behind the scenes).

 

[smoneil]

The Jets season was derailed by injuries and Zach Wilson.

Bring in an actual QB next season and assuming the Jets have better luck with injuries, they're a shoo-in playoff team.

If the team takes that mindset, then next season will see them outside the playoffs as well. They need a new OC, they need to completely re-build the offensive line, they need a new punter, a run stuffer on D, and some more talent in the secondary (safety positions mostly) as well. The defense, to be perfectly frank, needs to stop reading their own press clippings as well. They've been inconsistent all season, had issues with missed tackles, and the team as a whole has been a "poorly timed penalty" wholesaler.

I do think they need to bring in a new QB, as what's wrong with Wilson can't be fixed in an offseason in my opinion. But he's not at all the only reason this team is going to miss the playoffs. Remember, he was only in the game for four of the losses, and he had the team in a position to win last week before the defense pissed it away.

This roster is better than any Jets roster of the past 20 years. But that's not exactly a high bar, and we need to be careful not to confuse "great for the Jets" with "great in the NFL." They still have quite a bit of work to do.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Edited to add: I am REALLY curious as to what happened between Wilson and the locker room. If he did something unforgivable (racist comment, bonked some guy's mom, whatever), then they need to just cut their losses with him. If it's solely over his play, then the rest of the roster needs a major attitude adjustment. They literally look like they hate playing on the same field with him. I get that he hasn't been great this season, but when a player struggles, a team is supposed to pick him up. Too many guys on this roster opted to kick him when he was down instead (which is why I really wonder if there's not more going on behind the scenes).

As a Giants fan chiming in, he didn't do that locker room any favors when he said he didn't think he let the defense down after showing only 2 total yards in the 2nd half.

2

Yards

In 30 minutes of football!!

You really can't defend a QB who is only managing 9 completed passes for the entire game. And this season isn't an aberration as he did it last season, too!

You could...maybe let that slide if he's picking up massive yards on the ground, but that's not the case either.

 

[smoneil]

As a Giants fan chiming in, he didn't do that locker room any favors when he said he didn't think he let the defense down after showing only 2 total yards in the 2nd half.

2

Yards

In 30 minutes of football!!

You really can't defend a QB who is only managing 9 completed passes for the entire game. And this season isn't an aberration as he did it last season, too!

You could...maybe let that slide if he's picking up massive yards on the ground, but that's not the case either.

Oh, I get that (though people acting as if the NE game is indicative of Wilson's complete body of work is getting old--that was a low-water mark, but if that's the way he always played, people wouldn't still be fixated on it more than a month later). I get getting in his face about it. But revolting the way the team seems to have done? If they want to win, it's in their best interest to get the kid straightened out. And if it's just about him not taking full accountability for the NE loss...why aren't they pissed off at all of the guys who passed the buck on Sunday (starting with the head coach and continuing on to the punt/ST group and the fact that no member of the defense was willing to own up to that blown coverage that literally cost them the game)?

I'm not saying Wilson should be starting. There's clearly something wrong. I just don't think uneven play--even with the deep valleys Wilson has gone through--explains the way the team has revolted. It literally looked like they would rather lose with Wilson than play for him.

 

[smoneil]

Here's a weird thought for the Jets QB situation next year. What about giving Darnold another shot? If they can re-build the line, he'd have weapons here that he never had the first time around. He likely wouldn't be as expensive as some other options.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Oh, I get that (though people acting as if the NE game is indicative of Wilson's complete body of work is getting old--that was a low-water mark, but if that's the way he always played, people wouldn't still be fixated on it more than a month later). I get getting in his face about it. But revolting the way the team seems to have done? If they want to win, it's in their best interest to get the kid straightened out. And if it's just about him not taking full accountability for the NE loss...why aren't they pissed off at all of the guys who passed the buck on Sunday (starting with the head coach and continuing on to the punt/ST group and the fact that no member of the defense was willing to own up to that blown coverage that literally cost them the game)?

I'm not saying Wilson should be starting. There's clearly something wrong. I just don't think uneven play--even with the deep valleys Wilson has gone through--explains the way the team has revolted. It literally looked like they would rather lose with Wilson than play for him.

If my Giants did that, I'd definitely zero in on the coaches, but I would still let the defense and special teams off the hook because you can't defend, again, 2 yards, through 7 possessions of 30 minutes of football.

And what did he say after that game?

Are you really surprised that your QB is getting flack from the team when he doesn't think he should be accountable?

He just isn't that good. Again, completing less than 10 passes a game, barely getting a 100 yards. This game just sealed it for him.

Manning was inconsistent, but even in those inconsistencies, he had the arm to back it up. It was his decision making that did him in a lot of times. Wilson is a completely different animal.

 

[LionsHeart]

That was such a brutal night for a QB. Awful play, the fans just killing you after every play, getting benched for a CFL QB. It takes a lot of patience to play in this city, because this city is not patient with struggling players. This is why Eli Manning worked here. He had that mentality to shrug it off. I’d argue Pennington did too.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Wilson is simply ineffective—and the team clearly does not like playing for him. Too bad White got hurt when he did.

I've never seen a team and coaches look so willing to play anyone else when that guy is a young high draft pick. I do not blame them for feeling that way but its unusual to be so public about it. Even the rookie WR looks like he wants nothing to do with Zach.

Seems to me Wilson is afraid to throw the ball -- everything is tenative......if he does have something on the ball it's usually to a receiver who's got 3 opponents around him.

I sometimes feel the opposite. I have not watched him much but he looks like he wants to play hero backyard type football. His prayers be answered passes the week before were not great throws. They were to covered guys and the Jets just came down with them.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Here's a weird thought for the Jets QB situation next year. What about giving Darnold another shot? If they can re-build the line, he'd have weapons here that he never had the first time around. He likely wouldn't be as expensive as some other options.

Mau not be an ideal way to go but it is not totally crazy because Darnold is better than the other 4 guys you currently have right now.

 

[sbjnyc]

Out coached and out played at every level today.

As far as Zach is concerned, no team moves on from a 2nd overall pick after two (partial) seasons of football. It is idiotic asset management (and ZW will cost more on our cap OFF the roster than he will ON the roster). It's in the Jets' best interests to repair the asset.

Don't agree. Jets can't afford a clipboard season with him. If you sign a guy who plays well then why am I bringing Zach Wilsonm back in? If he's not the guy you have to make that decision as early as possible or you lose him for nothing or get stuck with his 5th year option or worse.. Can't afford $200+ million mistakes like Goff, Murray etc. because of stubborn GMs who refuse to believe they can be wrong,

 

[NickyFotiu]

Don't agree. Jets can't afford a clipboard season with him. If you sign a guy who plays well then why am I bringing Zach Wilsonm back in? If he's not the guy you have to make that decision as early as possible or you lose him for nothing or get stuck with his 5th year option or worse.. Can't afford $200+ million mistakes like Goff, Murray etc. because of stubborn GMs who refuse to believe they can be wrong,

Goff was near a probowl season this year. Jets would be contenders with Goff.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

If the team takes that mindset, then next season will see them outside the playoffs as well. They need a new OC, they need to completely re-build the offensive line, they need a new punter, a run stuffer on D, and some more talent in the secondary (safety positions mostly) as well. The defense, to be perfectly frank, needs to stop reading their own press clippings as well. They've been inconsistent all season, had issues with missed tackles, and the team as a whole has been a "poorly timed penalty" wholesaler.

I do think they need to bring in a new QB, as what's wrong with Wilson can't be fixed in an offseason in my opinion. But he's not at all the only reason this team is going to miss the playoffs. Remember, he was only in the game for four of the losses, and he had the team in a position to win last week before the defense pissed it away.

This roster is better than any Jets roster of the past 20 years. But that's not exactly a high bar, and we need to be careful not to confuse "great for the Jets" with "great in the NFL." They still have quite a bit of work to do.

The OC is fine whenever a QB not named Zach Wilson is running it. The O-line was decimated by injuries, but yes, it can use a bit of improvement there (wouldn't surprise me if the 1st round pick is a tackle or a fast playmaking LB like Simpson). Mann is a middle-of-the-road punter, I can take or leave him there. Run stuffer, I can see drafting somewhere in the middle rounds. Even though I don't think Joyner has been that bad, a playmaking safety would be nice.

Overall, another good draft class and signing proper free agents, better QB play, and hopefully fewer injuries at least - and they are a playoff team next season.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

That was such a brutal night for a QB. Awful play, the fans just killing you after every play, getting benched for a CFL QB. It takes a lot of patience to play in this city, because this city is not patient with struggling players. This is why Eli Manning worked here. He had that mentality to shrug it off. I’d argue Pennington did too.

Eli Manning never looked anywhere near THIS awful.

And I don't blame the fans. Injuries and Zach Wilson pissed away a playoff season. The Jets playoff hopes died twice this season. Once when Breece Hall and AVT went down in the Denver game, and when Mike White got injured by Matt Milano in the Buffalo game.