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Boris Zubov
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It's unreal...how can so many NFL coaches be so bad at clock/game management.
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Texans got ripped off. Gay took that ball out after it was down by the Texan.
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Honestly better for them, they have played really well past two weeks, and lock up the 1 pick.
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Lions are starting to sneak up for the 6/7 WC spot. Giants better not lay an egg tonight or vs. the Colts.
Agreed, but remember, I said impetus for a deal was pre-White injury, and SF was getting Wilson NOW when they are down QBs.
Jets would get a comparable talent for long term, but get a quality starting OT out of it
He must eventually evolve to all situations, but he does look ok for the most part WHEN HE GETS TIME
that is on the eff in O-Line
We lost today b'c
DET is for real.
Their OLine dominated for the most part, and not just Sewell.
If our best D lineman was not injured, that could have been a difference maker.
Other reason is our OLine sucks
And Wilson is too raw to read quickly enuf w/o protection
I saw some improvement, he has a ways to go, but we need OTs
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The likely reason it hasn't been addressed in the last two years is that Wilson has had some injury issues. He missed most of pre-season this year. Last year, he threw a total of 20 passes in 2 preseason games. They delayed on bringing in a veteran QB to mentor him, and they never adequately found a replacement for Greg Knapp when he tragically passed (someone else, either here or on Twitter, brought that up to me a while back, and it struck me as a very good point). Meanwhile, the offensive coaching staff is made up of complete newbies. Lafleur may one day be a great OC, but he had next to zero experience before being elevated to that position. You never want to have a rookie HC, a rookie OC, a rookie QB, with a corps of mostly rookie WRs and a rookie RB. SOMEONE in the mix should have a bit of experience.
And yeah, Darnold and Wilson both should have sat for at least a year, just like Pennington (though even on draft day, I had called Josh Allen as being the best QB of that class).
Oh come on. Wilson puts up the same stat line that White put up against Minnesota, but with Wilson getting 2 more TDs and one fewer INT, and half the Jets fanbase wants to crucify Wilson while building a statue for Mike White. Wilson could have played better. Detroit isn't as bad as their ranking (their play over the last ~6 months is night and day from the first chunk of their season), but they are still bad enough at D that I wanted to see a bigger game from Wilson. But he responded to tie the game twice in the 2nd Quarter and then came through with a TD drive to put the team up by 4 points with four minutes left in the 4th quarter. He did what he needed to do to win the game. The defense gave up a 4th down 50+ yard TD to a tight end who they left completely unmarked (I think it was Quincy Williams, though Mosley looked mighty pissed at himself, too). Even then, Wilson pulled off some heroics to give his team a chance to win in the closing seconds.
So yeah, 3 points against are on Wilson. 7 points against are on Mann and the punt team. 7 points against are on the defense. From there, you can complain about the offensive line being a sieve and the RB's combining for just 50 yards (7 of which came from Wilson himself, and 13 more were negated by a holding call on Fant). You can complain about Saleh's brain fart re: time outs. You can question the pass rush (with Quinnen out, you expect Rankins, Lawson, and Johnson to step up--no sacks, and Lawson only has 1 sack in his last 4 games). You can complain about the lack of takeaways by the vaunted Jets D (none at all for three games running), or their mental errors on 4th down lately.
At the end of the day, Wilson put the team up with four minutes left to play and the opposing team needing a TD. Could he have done more? Sure. But he did enough to win. This is one where the team let him down.
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I agree with the bold, but not with the evenly. Timing matters. It's a big part of why I wasn't on team White after the Vikings game (who cares about yards when the music stops in the red zone over and over again)?
Wilson put them in a position to win with 4 minutes left to play. Quincy Williams (again, or Mosley--they were in man-to-man, so whichever man was responsible for Brock Wright) completely blew his coverage. Never even picked him up. And it gave away a touchdown and the game at the worst possible time. Wilson tried to salvage it, but his coach seemed to sabotage him (by being green, not intentionally) by not controlling the clock. So yeah, Wilson has a claim to the loss because he could have done more and he made a (big) mistake with that INT at the beginning of the 2nd half, but he's not even in the top 5 as far as who gets the most blame.
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Today was the first day I watch Zach play a full game. I saw some good and some bad. Even on some of the good the passes were just chucked up and Jets WR made great plays. Also noticed Zach left his feet for no reason on a throw or 2. Still Jets fans should be happy. The kid was left for dead and today he gave them a chance to win against a good Detroit team. Have to keep in mind he is still young. There have been guy's that started worse as young QBs then turned it around.
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I've watched thousands of football games I have never seen a game end like the one that just ended in Vegas. Especially such a bone headed play committed by the Patriots of all teams.
Bob Richards
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That Patriots loss was f***ing UNBELIEVABLE.
Dumbest way to lose I've seen in forever.
Dumbest way to lose I've seen in forever.
Boris Zubov
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I'm at the point where I let Wilson play out the season and then approach him in the offseason. Admit that the team screwed up his development by rushing him into the spotlight, and try to get him on board with a 2-year vet signing. Someone to be the ostensible starter for at least next season, teach him, give him the chance to iron out his issues and learn. ZW would get in in blowouts or in case of injury. And the plan would be transition him into the full time starter role in years 4 or 5. Hell, I'd even pick up his 5th year option after year 3 in exchange for his cooperation. He needs clipboard time and they need to be on the same page.
If he's NOT okay with that, I'd still go out and sign a (lesser) veteran QB. Someone who, unlike Flacco, could actually go in if needed. And I'd tell Wilson that if he doesn't want to do a long term development, then he has to prove he can be a top half of the league starter next season. Bring him some OL guys (we need at least one tackle and I think we need a new young center). If he can't cut it, cut bait, and then draft a QB to develop for a couple of years behind a vet signing. Worst case scenario, we would have a young QB coming up while the guys from this year's draft are still on their first contracts. But they can't screw it up again.
* This plan is predicated on the fact that I just don't see Mike White as having the ability to become a top half of the league starting QB.
** This plan is also predicated on the idea that they replace Mike Lafleur with a veteran OC with experience developing quarterbacks.
If he's NOT okay with that, I'd still go out and sign a (lesser) veteran QB. Someone who, unlike Flacco, could actually go in if needed. And I'd tell Wilson that if he doesn't want to do a long term development, then he has to prove he can be a top half of the league starter next season. Bring him some OL guys (we need at least one tackle and I think we need a new young center). If he can't cut it, cut bait, and then draft a QB to develop for a couple of years behind a vet signing. Worst case scenario, we would have a young QB coming up while the guys from this year's draft are still on their first contracts. But they can't screw it up again.
* This plan is predicated on the fact that I just don't see Mike White as having the ability to become a top half of the league starting QB.
** This plan is also predicated on the idea that they replace Mike Lafleur with a veteran OC with experience developing quarterbacks.
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White is good enough to win football games. I don’t think White is good enough to win a Lombardi trophy. I see him as maybe a more consistent Fitzmagic.
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Lions 7-7, making playoffs possible. Trust me, I haven't been able to say that in what seems forever.Jets 7-7, missing playoffs possible.
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