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The Jets IMO are a Super Bowl caliber team that was held down by the inability of their QB. It’s only one game, but holy moly did Mike White make a difference. That was an impressive performance.
 
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Sauce is gonna need good ball control against Justin Jefferson.

The Giants are 7-4, but if they lose and the WFT wins the G-Men will be in last place in the tough NFC Beast division and it will be tough to make the playoffs.
 

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Sauce is gonna need good ball control against Justin Jefferson.

The Giants are 7-4, but if they lose and the WFT wins the G-Men will be in last place in the tough NFC Beast division and it will be tough to make the playoffs.
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I think it’ll likely be reed vs Jefferson more frequently than people expect. Sauce and reed don’t flip sides to cover man.
 
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Say what you want about NHL refs but you'd NEVER see a disgraceful call like the NFL refs made for taunting in the situation they did. Situational awareness is missing with these dumb refs. The NHL is the only league where refs at least try to make the game LESS about themselves, sometimes to a fault. And you almost never see unsportsmanlike penalties in the NHL.
 
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KirkAlbuquerque said:
Damn Jets , way to claw back but that was a lot of red zone failure.

Mike White is still the truth.
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Mike White is a 28 year old nobody who has multiple interceptions in 4 of his 6 career games. For context, Zach Wilson has 5 multi-interception games in 20 career starts. Sam Darnold has 13 multi-interception games in 51 starts. Yet the latter two are seen as interception factories and Mike White is seen as a Christ/Chuck Norris hybrid for some reason. At his current pace, after the same number of games played, White is set to have nearly triple the number of multi-pick games as Wilson, and more than double the number of Darnold. And only 2 of White's six games have come against teams with good pass defenses (NE and Buffalo--in those two games, White combined for six interceptions last year). I get the underdog Ray Lucas vibe people want to believe in, but this guy just isn't all that.

The Jets need to build a better team culture. I want to preface this by saying that it's hard to blame the players (relative to the money made by the league and what they put their bodies through, the pay rate and lack of guaranteed $$ in the NFL is pitiful).

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it's patently obvious that these guys care more about their individual stat lines than they do about winning the game. Garrett Wilson championing Mike White after the game, even though White shat the bed in the red zone and threw 2 picks w/no touchdowns? Losing doesn't matter to him--they force fed him the ball (15 targets, only 8 receptions, but to 162 yards). Elijah Moore is happy--his targets are back up again, and his reception rate is back in the trash can (2 receptions for 7 yards on 6 targets). DJ Reed talking trash post-game on Justin Jefferson? Uhm, bro, Jefferson just grabbed the deciding touchdown in a game you lost.

Again, it's tough to blame them for only caring about themselves because of the horrid way the NFL handles salaries. But this team, even though it has all the talent in the world, won't go anywhere until they figure out how to play for the team instead of their own numbers.
 
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too behind sched to catch up last 6 or so pgs

Am bullish long term on Wilson.
And long term, thought out should be MO, not impulsive overreactions

That said, injury may be providing a solution here:
Niners lost Jimmy G [broken foot] after Trey Lance [severe ankle] went down
they are on 3rd string

Lance was a high pick also
NYJ need OL!!!!!!!!!
SF needs a guy now for depth, but also going forward

win win
Wilson + NYJ + Fant + NYJ 2023 + 2024 2nds
for
Lance + Jet's choice of Niners' OT + 49er's 2023 + 2024 1sts

SF gets immediate help and replacement for QB of future
Jets get needed OL, picks upgrade
talent wise, Lance + Wilson are ballpark comparable

thoughts?
 
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Anthony Richardson declaring for the draft. Oh boy is that tempting if he’s there when The Giants pick. Raw, but huge upside.

Apparently the scouts still love Will Levis too.
 
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smoneil said:
Mike White is a 28 year old nobody who has multiple interceptions in 4 of his 6 career games. For context, Zach Wilson has 5 multi-interception games in 20 career starts. Sam Darnold has 13 multi-interception games in 51 starts. Yet the latter two are seen as interception factories and Mike White is seen as a Christ/Chuck Norris hybrid for some reason. At his current pace, after the same number of games played, White is set to have nearly triple the number of multi-pick games as Wilson, and more than double the number of Darnold. And only 2 of White's six games have come against teams with good pass defenses (NE and Buffalo--in those two games, White combined for six interceptions last year). I get the underdog Ray Lucas vibe people want to believe in, but this guy just isn't all that.

The Jets need to build a better team culture. I want to preface this by saying that it's hard to blame the players (relative to the money made by the league and what they put their bodies through, the pay rate and lack of guaranteed $$ in the NFL is pitiful).

BUT

it's patently obvious that these guys care more about their individual stat lines than they do about winning the game. Garrett Wilson championing Mike White after the game, even though White shat the bed in the red zone and threw 2 picks w/no touchdowns? Losing doesn't matter to him--they force fed him the ball (15 targets, only 8 receptions, but to 162 yards). Elijah Moore is happy--his targets are back up again, and his reception rate is back in the trash can (2 receptions for 7 yards on 6 targets). DJ Reed talking trash post-game on Justin Jefferson? Uhm, bro, Jefferson just grabbed the deciding touchdown in a game you lost.

Again, it's tough to blame them for only caring about themselves because of the horrid way the NFL handles salaries. But this team, even though it has all the talent in the world, won't go anywhere until they figure out how to play for the team instead of their own numbers.
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This is…. An odd take.

The jets culture is better than it’s been since the early Rex Ryan days. Stats are telling of performance. Performance leads to contracts. Players have a limited time to earn. There isn’t a team in the league whose players don’t care about their individual performance. Sure, name on the front should matter more than the name on the back and all that, but you also have to be realistic. Anyways, culture wasn’t the issue. It was a sputtering offense. Hall was the only guy keeping it respectable until he went down.

Is White Tom Brady? No, but he’s shown he can move the offense which Wilson had been unable to do. Avoiding turnovers is important, but you also have to score points. You also need to give your defense a break. The defense is good enough to win games, but you’re asking a lot of them when you have 8 3 and outs. Whites only played in what? 6 games? Who’s to say he can’t get better? Wilson had been showing zero progression. You kept waiting for the statement game. The game where he throws over 350 with 3 or 4 TD’s and walks the team down the field late in the 4th to win the game. Flacco looked like prime Peyton in comparison.
 
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smoneil said:
Mike White is a 28 year old nobody who has multiple interceptions in 4 of his 6 career games. For context, Zach Wilson has 5 multi-interception games in 20 career starts. Sam Darnold has 13 multi-interception games in 51 starts. Yet the latter two are seen as interception factories and Mike White is seen as a Christ/Chuck Norris hybrid for some reason. At his current pace, after the same number of games played, White is set to have nearly triple the number of multi-pick games as Wilson, and more than double the number of Darnold. And only 2 of White's six games have come against teams with good pass defenses (NE and Buffalo--in those two games, White combined for six interceptions last year). I get the underdog Ray Lucas vibe people want to believe in, but this guy just isn't all that.

The Jets need to build a better team culture. I want to preface this by saying that it's hard to blame the players (relative to the money made by the league and what they put their bodies through, the pay rate and lack of guaranteed $$ in the NFL is pitiful).

BUT

it's patently obvious that these guys care more about their individual stat lines than they do about winning the game. Garrett Wilson championing Mike White after the game, even though White shat the bed in the red zone and threw 2 picks w/no touchdowns? Losing doesn't matter to him--they force fed him the ball (15 targets, only 8 receptions, but to 162 yards). Elijah Moore is happy--his targets are back up again, and his reception rate is back in the trash can (2 receptions for 7 yards on 6 targets). DJ Reed talking trash post-game on Justin Jefferson? Uhm, bro, Jefferson just grabbed the deciding touchdown in a game you lost.

Again, it's tough to blame them for only caring about themselves because of the horrid way the NFL handles salaries. But this team, even though it has all the talent in the world, won't go anywhere until they figure out how to play for the team instead of their own numbers.
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The team culture is more than fine spearheaded by Robert Saleh.

Mike White (who's 27 btw) has only played in about 4-5 full games in his career. Maybe he deserves more time to see what the Jets have in him? Zach Wilson needed a reset at minimum, plain and simple. I question if he's the guy based on what I've seen in 20 games and two seasons, but he needed to be benched right now.

And with the way Zach Wilson was playing most of the year, I don't blame the skill players for their frustration. When you can't even complete a simple screen pass, there's a major issue. That Pats game was one of the most horrific QB performances I've ever seen.
 
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smoneil said:
Mike White is a 28 year old nobody who has multiple interceptions in 4 of his 6 career games. For context, Zach Wilson has 5 multi-interception games in 20 career starts. Sam Darnold has 13 multi-interception games in 51 starts. Yet the latter two are seen as interception factories and Mike White is seen as a Christ/Chuck Norris hybrid for some reason. At his current pace, after the same number of games played, White is set to have nearly triple the number of multi-pick games as Wilson, and more than double the number of Darnold. And only 2 of White's six games have come against teams with good pass defenses (NE and Buffalo--in those two games, White combined for six interceptions last year). I get the underdog Ray Lucas vibe people want to believe in, but this guy just isn't all that.

The Jets need to build a better team culture. I want to preface this by saying that it's hard to blame the players (relative to the money made by the league and what they put their bodies through, the pay rate and lack of guaranteed $$ in the NFL is pitiful).

BUT

it's patently obvious that these guys care more about their individual stat lines than they do about winning the game. Garrett Wilson championing Mike White after the game, even though White shat the bed in the red zone and threw 2 picks w/no touchdowns? Losing doesn't matter to him--they force fed him the ball (15 targets, only 8 receptions, but to 162 yards). Elijah Moore is happy--his targets are back up again, and his reception rate is back in the trash can (2 receptions for 7 yards on 6 targets). DJ Reed talking trash post-game on Justin Jefferson? Uhm, bro, Jefferson just grabbed the deciding touchdown in a game you lost.

Again, it's tough to blame them for only caring about themselves because of the horrid way the NFL handles salaries. But this team, even though it has all the talent in the world, won't go anywhere until they figure out how to play for the team instead of their own numbers.
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Wilson doesn't throw as many picks because he only throws 18 times a game because a) the team doesn't trust him to make plays and b) he's afraid to make plays. Mike White steps up and guns it. Also, neither INT vs the Vikings were his fault, the last one being pretty much a hail mary since it was 4th down with 10 seconds left.
 
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bernmeister said:
even if that is true
NY should do my deal b'c they get a needed OL upgrade now + beter pick
and
9ers should do it b'c they have zero depth
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First of all the trade deadline passed several weeks ago. Even if it didn't the 49ers are 8-4 and aren't trading a starter for future considerations.
 

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sbjnyc said:
First of all the trade deadline passed several weeks ago. Even if it didn't the 49ers are 8-4 and aren't trading a starter for future considerations.
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Well you got me dead to rights on the TDL passing
forgot that

As to the premise, yeah, it is a double edged sword and Niners certainly don't WANT to deal a higher end OL,
but
you are down to 3rd string QB as a starter.

That's a LOT of risk for this season


peace out
 
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