OT: Football Thread

[Barnaby]

Why not? Bring him in and see what he has. Who cares? Aren't you trying to win? If he can help you, kick the f***ing tires.



So then he'll be an easy pass. At this point he should get at least a tiny look.

Just a terrible take. Are you kidding me? It’s a complete publicity stunt for Colin Kaep and would just further make the Jets look like a laughingstock. He’s thrown for teams a few times over the years and not signed. He’s now older and even further removed.

He was a back up when he left at 29, now he’s 36. Not to mention the hoopla he’d bring. For what? Hey, bring back Joe Namath to take some snaps while you’re at it.

jacoby brisset, jameison winston and others are clear upgrades over Wilson. Stop acting like Wilson is anything but bad. Brissett played extremely well for the browns and helped them score points. Something that Wilson does none of. Then Winston yes he’s turnover prone but atleast he can get the ball into our playmakers hands and stop people from loading the box on us abd every play isn’t a run play. These are guys that we can pay a team a 5th round pick for and are clear upgrades over what Wilson is.

You bring in a vet for sure. Right now, it’s Zach’s team. Of course in 3 weeks if he looks putrid and the vet had a few weeks to at least learn the basics of the system and thrown to some WR’s then I’m sure they won’t hesitate to switch.

There’s no one out there that’s so good that you just leapfrog Wilson and have them playing within 72 hours of joining the team.

They’ll probably add a guy like Foles or trade for someone off the radar. Whoever they find isn’t likely to be enticing either.

Man in the last 7 seasons Chad Henne has thrown 61 passes. And then in 2024 he only threw 78. What would be the point?

Could just be kicking tires. Doesn’t necessarily mean they are legit interested. Hopefully he’s the back up to their back ups back up plan.

They need to bring in a vet either way, but there's not much out there who has the talent to take the Jets to the next level. Wilson has the talent. He just needs to address the issues with his performance.

The game plan should be this:

-Staple Hackett and Rodgers to Wilson's side. Rodgers is now the highest paid QB coach in the league.

-For the first ~third of the season, run the Wilson game plan from the pre-season. Quick, short throws. Playing it safe and relying on the run. The goal should be to not LOSE the game.

-After that, once he is comfortable again with basic fundamentals, start mixing in more of the plays that got him drafted. Work on his decision making. When should he go for the big play vs. the safe play.

Ultimately, it's the same plan that was in place before Rodgers got hurt, but now he'll be working on it on the field rather than behind the scenes. If it doesn't work it doesn't work, but it has a better chance of working than any of the realistic options out there for a new QB.

I'll also say that the team reacted FAR better to the whole thing than they did last year (with the childish campaigning around Mike White who, for those who still think he's good, had an atrocious pre-season). Garrett Wilson was giving credit to Zach for rallying the team at halftime. Zach Wilson was giving all the credit for the TD to Garrett Wilson. Everyone on the team was giving credit to each other, and that's the kind of culture that wins games.

I do think they will and should run a conservative game plan. They shouldn’t neuter him.

I don’t like playing not to lose the game and completely keeping the reigns on him. Only having him make serious throws in obvious passing downs like 3rd and long or late in the game when down isn’t doing him any favors either. You don’t necessarily turn him loose, but you have to give him chances to strike as well. That’s how he might gain some confidence and grow. It will also give the team some hope and let them know the coaches have at least some faith in him.

I’m not overly confident this will work, but at this point you have to give the kid a real chance.

To put things into perspective, the Jets have $10M in cap space and Mike White gets paid $8M. Only way the Jets are going to materially improve at QB this season is by trade, but no one is trading starter level QBs right now. Maybe after the bye, and even then the QB will need a few weeks to learn the playbook.

I could be wrong, but I thought that number was around $20 million after Corey Davis retired. Not that it matters. They aren’t finding a QB worth that salary in trade or UFA.

 

[smoneil]

I do think they will and should run a conservative game plan. They shouldn’t neuter him.

I don’t like playing not to lose the game and completely keeping the reigns on him. Only having him make serious throws in obvious passing downs like 3rd and long or late in the game when down isn’t doing him any favors either. You don’t necessarily turn him loose, but you have to give him chances to strike as well. That’s how he might gain some confidence and grow. It will also give the team some hope and let them know the coaches have at least some faith in him.

I’m not overly confident this will work, but at this point you have to give the kid a real chance.

I completely agree; I just think they need to get him there in a clear progression. The next few weeks are also brutal in terms of QoC. They aren't doing ZW any favors if they let him get destroyed by one or more of these insane defenses coming up. The original plan was to re-build his mechanics and fundamentals and have him learn by watching and shadowing AR. He can't really do that second part, but they CAN still do a variation on the plan by ramping him up slowly and deliberately. His biggest issue has always been decision-making under pressure. Let him spend a few weeks without having to worry about making decisions. Keep it absurdly simple and let the playmakers make plays. Then slowly expand his options so that he better understands when to go big and when to play it safe.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Just a terrible take. Are you kidding me? It’s a complete publicity stunt for Colin Kaep and would just further make the Jets look like a laughingstock. He’s thrown for teams a few times over the years and not signed. He’s now older and even further removed.

He was a back up when he left at 29, now he’s 36. Not to mention the hoopla he’d bring. For what? Hey, bring back Joe Namath to take some snaps while you’re at it.

Football skills are not the reason Kaep is remembered. If not for his political activism (not supporting or criticizing) no one would talk about him playing for the Jets because he would probably be out of the league or a backup and no one would think much about him.

 

[sbjnyc]

Just a terrible take. Are you kidding me? It’s a complete publicity stunt for Colin Kaep and would just further make the Jets look like a laughingstock. He’s thrown for teams a few times over the years and not signed. He’s now older and even further removed.

He was a back up when he left at 29, now he’s 36. Not to mention the hoopla he’d bring. For what? Hey, bring back Joe Namath to take some snaps while you’re at it.

Not only that, until a couple of years ago he said he would never accept a backup job and that he'd only sign as a starter.

 

[Barnaby]

Football skills are not the reason Kaep is remembered. If not for his political activism (not supporting or criticizing) no one would talk about him playing for the Jets because he would probably be out of the league or a backup and no one would think much about him.

100%

Who's the last guy who left the league for 7 years, then came back and succeeded in his mid 30's? Let alone one of the toughest positions to play in professional sports? With no training camp or pre-season games mind you. He was also struggling mightily when he left at 29. At 30, he most likely would've been a back up. That's not even getting into the realm of what his focus might be.

RG3 would be 10x more realistic, and that's never going to happen at this point in his career. This far removed from playing, and this far from playing a strong season.

For reference, Matt Ryan is 38 years old. Played last year. Won an MVP. - and... few are clamoring for him.

*Colin's last two seasons were bad. You're talking about his last productive year being in 2014 at the age of 27. Nine years ago.

 

[sbjnyc]

You bring in a vet for sure. Right now, it’s Zach’s team. Of course in 3 weeks if he looks putrid and the vet had a few weeks to at least learn the basics of the system and thrown to some WR’s then I’m sure they won’t hesitate to switch.

There’s no one out there that’s so good that you just leapfrog Wilson and have them playing within 72 hours of joining the team.

They’ll probably add a guy like Foles or trade for someone off the radar. Whoever they find isn’t likely to be enticing either.

Now that the Cowboys traded for Lance I'd ask about Cooper Rush.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Why not? Bring him in and see what he has. Who cares? Aren't you trying to win? If he can help you, kick the f***ing tires.



So then he'll be an easy pass. At this point he should get at least a tiny look.

There is legitimately no reason to give a soon-to-be 36-year-old who hasn't played in 5+ years a look, especially when you recognize how easy of a pass it will be. It is... well you know what it is. I'm not going there.

As far as the distraction piece is concerned that others talk about... I really don't care about that. I've been pretty consistent that I don't give a shit about a players history if they can help a team win. If Kap could help this Jets team win, 100% give him an opportunity. I care about watching the teams I root for win on a regular basis. Bring in whoever it takes to make that happen. But at this point, he isn't the guy who is going to make that happen.

There are so many better options.


Whatever they do, they need to do something soon. I am concerned about Zack Wilson going into week two, getting demolished and then the Jets having even less leverage in a trade.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Waller revealed some info on his hamstring injury the other day that I'm just seeing now:

Hope but no info for Giants’ Andrew Thomas, Graham Gano after injuries on same play

Giants coach Brian Daboll said Monday that he’s still waiting on test results to determine the severity of left tackle Andrew Thomas’ hamstring injury. “I don’t have it yet,” Daboll said. “I’ll hav…

www.nydailynews.com

Tight end Darren Waller’s Giants debut was far from what he’d hoped for. He played through a hamstring issue that had him listed as questionable, but the injury compromised a smooth transition to his new team.
“I felt like I would be able to play,” Waller said. “[It was] just a little frustrating to not be able to have that entire week rhythm that you usually have as a player of those full practices to be like, ‘Alright, I feel great about everything this week.’ But I felt like I’d be fine.”
Waller led the Giants with only three catches for 36 yards on five targets, playing 38 total snaps, or 58% of the offensive workload. He didn’t make his first catch until seven minutes remained in the first half. His first two targets were batted down and intercepted, respectively.
It sounded like there were some limitations on whether Waller could truly open up and run, so the Giants only asked him to do what he could handle.
“I was able to go out there and do all the snaps they asked me to do and not have it affect me,” he said. “There were some running real deep down the field where it might nip a little bit, but as far as everything that was asked [of] me, I was fine.”
Waller also revealed that his hamstring is the “same” right hamstring that landed him on injured reserve with the Raiders last season, and that this is a slightly different issue.
“I still have people on working me, a team, and it wasn’t the same degree of strain as last year,” Waller said. “It more so has to do with the nerve that was behind it. So it’s not really a muscular issue. It was more so a little bit something different, like nerve-wise.”
In other words, he got through the first game, but this is a lingering issue. Hopefully not for much longer.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

100%

Who's the last guy who left the league for 7 years, then came back and succeeded in his mid 30's? Let alone one of the toughest positions to play in professional sports? With no training camp or pre-season games mind you. He was also struggling mightily when he left at 29. At 30, he most likely would've been a back up. That's not even getting into the realm of what his focus might be.

RG3 would be 10x more realistic, and that's never going to happen at this point in his career. This far removed from playing, and this far from playing a strong season.

For reference, Matt Ryan is 38 years old. Played last year. Won an MVP. - and... few are clamoring for him.

*Colin's last two seasons were bad. You're talking about his last productive year being in 2014 at the age of 27. Nine years ago.

I think people need to separate what he was fighting for and actually him. He as a person has become an attention whore that looks for publicity at every possible level. Frankly given where his career was trending become an activist might have been the better career move than remaining in football as an obscure backup. Ironically in the end he didn't sacrifice anything.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I think people need to separate what he was fighting for and actually him. He as a person has become an attention whore that looks for publicity at every possible level. Frankly given where his career was trending become an activist might have been the better career move than remaining in football as an obscure backup. Ironically in the end he didn't sacrifice anything.

Of course it was...he signed a huge deal with Nike after he was out of the league.

Report: Colin Kaepernick's Nike Contract Worth 'Millions,' Will Get Branded Line

Former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick will earn millions from his endorsement deal with Nike and have his own apparel line with the company, Yahoo Sports' Charles Robinson reported Monday...

bleacherreport.com

 

[RangerBlues]

In Zack we trust.
And if that does not work the Jets can scrap it, get ten draft picks a new QB and all the talent back again in two years.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Giants TE Waller not concerned about hamstring

New York Giants tight end Darren Waller doesn't believe the hamstring injury that made him questionable for Sunday's loss to the Dallas Cowboys is cause for concern.

www.espn.com

Waller conceded Sunday that it's the same hamstring (his right leg) that kept him out a chunk of last season. But it's a different type of problem. They're not even comparable, he says.

"No, not really just because as far as the severity of last year and the time it forced me to miss, it's nowhere near that," Waller said. "Last year there was legit times where I couldn't run because my hamstring is pulled.

"But I can run at practice [Thursday], run routes and do it for two hours, so I'm like, 'I feel great.'"

Waller explained after Sunday's 40-0 loss to the Cowboys that it was more a nerve problem than something muscular. That set off an alarm for some. But Waller said Thursday that it was a little scar tissue that compressed the nerve and caused some discomfort.

The belief is that it is something that can be managed rather easily.

"A matter of getting that stuff out of there," Waller said.

 

[Filip Chytil]

He is the same doctor who repaired Cam Akers' Achilles tendon. Granted, Akers is significantly younger than Rodgers. He also repaired Joe Noteboom's Achilles tendon (he tore it in mid Oct last yr and was a full participant in camp in July- granted Noteboom is also over a decade younger than Rodgers). Noteboom is an offensive lineman for LAR FYI.

The gist of the article is Dr. Neal ElAttrache's technique allows for a level of physical activity sooner in the rehab timeline.

 

[17futurecap]

Losing Greg the Leg isn’t good when the Jets are going to be scrapping for points.

Hopefully it’s just a 1 week thing that doesn’t linger.

 

[smoneil]

Losing Greg the Leg isn’t good when the Jets are going to be scrapping for points.

Hopefully it’s just a 1 week thing that doesn’t linger.

Get him on an all cranberries diet, stat.

 

[JimmyG89]

He also repaired Joe Noteboom's Achilles tendon (he tore it in mid Oct last yr and was a full participant in camp in July- granted Noteboom is also over a decade younger than Rodgers).

And also significantly heavier. Tendons and ligaments don't grow like muscles, so a 300+ lbs OT being back on the field in 10 months is pretty astounding.

I remember when Jeff Cumberland played for the Jets at TE and tore his achillies. His career wasn't over but he was never the same player. in 10-15 years since that happened, we're talking about guys coming back within 6-10 months.

 

[JCProdigy]

Get him on an all cranberries diet, stat.

What? He has a UTI!?!?!

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Get him on an all cranberries diet, stat.

 

[JCProdigy]

So, according to Rodgers on yesterday's Pat McAfee show, he hinted that he definitely isn't planning on retiring and that, when he can, he'll be on the sidelines for the rest of the season.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

this sport needs to be abolished

 

[I Eat Crow]

The Giants may honestly be picking top 5 next April lol

 

[will1066]

Wow, it's not often a fan gets a souvenir football on a FG attempt like the Commanders kicker just did

 

[LeetchisGod]

The Giants may honestly be picking top 5 next April lol

Wouldn't surprise me one bit. This franchise has been mostly embarrassing for over a decade.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Total waste of a challenge.

They just look so inept in every facet.

 

[Bob Richards]

Absolute dogshit lmao