GDT: flying

[bleedgreen]

I still suspect we'll see the old, frustrating Necas again at some point this season, but it'd sure be fun if we didn't. I feel like we've seen that amazing possession that ended in a goal end in a turnover the other way for a goal so many times. Is everything just going his way right now or has he somehow significantly improved for good? Time will tell.

I don’t know that the difference from last year is that huge. I think no small part of it is Robinson as a linemate and the featured spot on pp1 and 3v3 with Aho and Ghost. He’s had great starts before so it’s not surprising he’s hot again which plays to your point of questioning if he’s going to keep it up. I do see him making better passes after he hits the blue line but I think that’s Robinson and occasionally KK getting into better passing lanes. You can argue Necas has figured out the timing of going lateral and letting these guys catch up to him better. He’s always been clutch and has always made big plays late in games.

When he has linemates he reads well he moves the puck instead of keeping it a little more. I think because we’re less deep with scorers he’s been asked to step it up and being given leash to go create….and he’s running with it. If he stays healthy I think we’ll see his best season even if his lines cools 5v5 just because of the pp1 and OT duties.

The guys are deferring to him in the o zone more than I’ve seen in other years. His teammates trust him more (especially the dmen at the point) and it’s fun to watch. He’s happiest when he’s carrying the puck.

 

[tarheelhockey]

For a long time if I was getting one it would’ve been Pesce

Now’s the time! Buy cheap and break it out in 3 years as a throwback.

 

[bleedgreen]

Now’s the time! Buy cheap and break it out in 3 years as a throwback.

For giggles I poked around. Can anyone tell me what’s up with these sites?

https://www.yukijersey.ca/carolina-hurricanes?page=3

Brett Pesce Carolina Hurricanes Home Breakaway Jersey – Black – Ladyjacket

ladyjacket.com

 

[tarheelhockey]

For giggles I poked around. Can anyone tell me what’s up with these sites?

https://www.yukijersey.ca/carolina-hurricanes?page=3

Brett Pesce Carolina Hurricanes Home Breakaway Jersey – Black – Ladyjacket

ladyjacket.com

Looks like the definition of buyer beware/you get what you pay for.

 

[JustPenalties]

I’ve said it a few times but I don’t see Aho and svetch as a good match.

Both are crap tonight too.

I agree. Svet just doesent have the hockey iq to play with Aho.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I only caught about 1/2 the game last night. On the season, I haven't seen all the games. Probably about 1/2 of their total ice time.

I could be way off base here given the sample size I've seen. It seems like when the Canes are on top of their game, Pyotr is much more in control and more "calm" and when the Canes are off their game and playing more loosely, he's more chaotic.

I guess that somewhat makes sense in that he has to try to do more when the Canes play loose in front of him, but that also amplifies the issue. Freddie is more of a calming, stable entity back there when he's healthy, which unfortunately, is the issue.

Not a complaint, as they continue to win. It's just an observation and I was wondering if it was valid, or just due to a small sample size I've seen.

 

[DaveG]

I only caught about 1/2 the game last night. On the season and on the season, I haven't seen all the games. Probably about 1/2 of their total ice time.

I could be way off base here given the sample size I've seen. It seems like when the Canes are on top of their game, Pyotr is much more in control and more "calm" and when the Canes are off their game and playing more loosely, he's more chaotic.

I guess that somewhat makes sense in that he has to try to do more when the Canes play loose in front of him, but that also amplifies the issue. Freddie is more of a calming, stable entity back there when he's healthy, which unfortunately, is the issue.

Not a complaint, as they continue to win. It's just an observation and I was wondering if it was valid, or just due to a small sample size I've seen.

I think just small sample size last night. I wouldn't read too much into that game as that was quite possibly the worst ice I've seen at PNC where a game was still played. In fact not sure the ice from the postponed Detroit game would have been worse than last night. Too many bad bounces, cases of the puck moving slower than expected (both teams were overskating it badly most of the game) and guys losing their edge for no reason (see the Chatty pre-game snow fail) all over the place.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Dude Staal had that first goal of the season and now through 11 games has 1+0=1 on the year lmao

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Dude Staal had that first goal of the season and now through 11 games has 1+0=1 on the year lmao

Honestly, I feel so bad for Jarvis. The guy puts up 30 goals last year and is relegated to the old folks home.

The problem is that you can't touch the 2nd line, because it's working so well, and while the 1st is kind of meh right now, the player Jarvis would replace on that line is the only one scoring the goals.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Honestly, I feel so bad for Jarvis. The guy puts up 30 goals last year and is relegated to the old folks home.

The problem is that you can't touch the 2nd line, because it's working so well, and while the 1st is kind of meh right now, the player Jarvis would replace on that line is the only one scoring the goals.

The good news is he's locked in, so this isn't a case where it's affecting his paycheck a la Necas.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The good news is he's locked in, so this isn't a case where it's affecting his paycheck a la Necas.

True, but I can’t imagine it’s where Jarvis would want to be in the lineup. He’ll do it, and do it well, because he’s a good soldier, but man, it’s a baffling decision.

But the team is winning games, and in the end, that’s all that matters.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

True, but I can’t imagine it’s where Jarvis would want to be in the lineup. He’ll do it, and do it well, because he’s a good soldier, but man, it’s a baffling decision.

But the team is winning games, and in the end, that’s all that matters.

Honestly, with the way the "4th" line is playing, swap Jarvis and Carrier. I'm sure that's not where Jarvis "wants" to play either, but him with Drury and Blake would be super fun.

 

[bleedgreen]

Don’t swap a thing until we lose!

I think I’d change all the lines then. Necas/Robinson and Staal/Martinook being the only for sure pairings. I’d try Aho with Necas/Rob and KK with Svech/Jarvy which screws jr.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Of the 80 lines in the NHL with 50 minutes of ice time together or more, the line of Martinook-Staal-Jarvis has the best xGF% in the NHL. #2? McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman. #3? Svech-Aho-Jarvis. Now, I get that they struggle to finish so xG does not equal goals, but they are still 28th / 80 in GF%. Only Necas/KK/Robinson are better ranked at #19.

Martinook-Staal-Jarvis are dominating possession when they are on the ice 5v5 and giving up only 0.92 goals / 60 minutes of 5v5 ice time.

I do think that the line would have almost the same results if Carrier was on it vs. Jarvis though, so I agree with the sentiment that his scoring is taking a hit because of it. Until they lose though, I don't see it changing.

 

[Stickpucker]

Our GA stat may be good, but our SV% on the years is shit

Id rather it this than the reverse.

 

[Stickpucker]

Necas 5th in scoring. 2nd P/GP. The guys around him are all averaging about 2-3 more minutes of ice time per game.

What I heard

##Free Nachos!!

He needs 4 more mins a night.

I still suspect we'll see the old, frustrating Necas again at some point this season, but it'd sure be fun if we didn't. I feel like we've seen that amazing possession that ended in a goal end in a turnover the other way for a goal so many times. Is everything just going his way right now or has he somehow significantly improved for good? Time will tell.

Well....it isn't a contract year....

 

[Ole Gil]

Watching Necas, it seems like his puck control has jumped to another level. He was always zipping around the outside of the ice, but seemed to lose it a lot while stickhandling.

No idea what has changed, a little stronger, a little quicker, a little better hands, a little better decisions, all of the above. But he just doesn't seem like he's losing the puck any more.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Watching Necas, it seems like his puck control has jumped to another level. He was always zipping around the outside of the ice, but seemed to lose it a lot while stickhandling.

No idea what has changed, a little stronger, a little quicker, a little better hands, a little better decisions, all of the above. But he just doesn't seem like he's losing the puck any more.

I think Tripp and a couple on this board have pointed it out. In the past, Necas was a north-south player entering the zone. It'd cause him to quickly lose real estate and turn the puck over trying to deke through defenders.

Now, he's adding a little east-west cut when he enters the zone. This not only gives him better control, it allows his linemates to catch up. Robinson's goal last night is a perfect example of that.

 

[spockBokk]

It’s not like Jarvis isn’t getting chances with Staal and Martinook, he seems to get a few prime scoring chances each game. He’s also getting 1-1.5mins of every 2 mins of PP time they get. His numbers will be fine.

He gives that Staal line a true threat to score because he’s the only only on that line w/o hands of stone. Also, him on that line allows everyone to play their natural side.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

dogshit start to the period, they basically scored by accident as we were flailing every-f***ing-where

Our GA stat may be good, but our SV% on the years is shit

then AHO FAILS but Roslovic saves the shitty semi-breakaway!

Id rather it this than the reverse.

Looking into the numbers. 5v5:

CA/60: #1 in the NHL
HDCA/60: #18 in the NHL
HDSV%: #1 in the NHL.
MDSV%: #23 in the NHL
LDSV%: #22 in the NHL.

We don't give up a lot of shots on goal overall, but we give up more high danger shots on goal/60, yet our goalies are doing a good job at saving them. They are doing a poor job at saving Medium and Low danger shots.

I still go back to wondering if our system, where goalies don't get much work due to shot suppression is a big contributor to our goalies SV%. Last year, Pytor struggled early before settling in.

Our SV% on the PK isn't great, 16th ranked in the NHL. It could be my imagination, but seems like we've had an abundance of 5-3 so far this season so that might be skewing it as well. Looking at the numbers, we've had 6:15 TOI/Game on the PK so far and 30s/game has been the 5-3 time.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Did you guys see the stat last night that we’re the first team since the Bruins in the 60s to have the same skater lineup in the first 11 games to start the season?

That’s kind of wild to me. Bill Burniston might be an actual gamechanger of an asset to the franchise.

I think Tripp and a couple on this board have pointed it out. In the past, Necas was a north-south player entering the zone. It'd cause him to quickly lose real estate and turn the puck over trying to deke through defenders.

Now, he's adding a little east-west cut when he enters the zone. This not only gives him better control, it allows his linemates to catch up. Robinson's goal last night is a perfect example of that.

I’m not saying this lightly but at this point his start to the season deserves it: his mastery of the offensive zone through 11 games has shades of McDavid/peak Patrick Kane. He’s doing what he wants out there right now.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Looking into the numbers. 5v5:

CA/60: #1 in the NHL
HDCA/60: #18 in the NHL
HDSV%: #1 in the NHL.
MDSV%: #23 in the NHL
LDSV%: #22 in the NHL.

We don't give up a lot of shots on goal overall, but we give up more high danger shots on goal/60, yet our goalies are doing a good job at saving them. They are doing a poor job at saving Medium and Low danger shots.

I still go back to wondering if our system, where goalies don't get much work due to shot suppression is a big contributor to our goalies SV%. Last year, Pytor struggled early before settling in.

Our SV% on the PK isn't great, 16th ranked in the NHL. It could be my imagination, but seems like we've had an abundance of 5-3 so far this season so that might be skewing it as well. Looking at the numbers, we've had 6:15 TOI/Game on the PK so far and 30s/game has been the 5-3 time.

This kind of matches the eye test honestly, a lot of the goals we've let in seem to fit into the "hard to stop, but definitely still stoppable" category. There definitely seems to be a general correlation (not sure if there's data out there) between goalies who don't face many shots and seem "cold" and those that face a plethora of shots and seem "hot." It's why we often complain of getting "out-goalied"...goalies really get into a groove/rhythm when they're facing a lot of lower-danger shots vs coming in sitting around for 5 min and suddenly facing a medium-high danger shot. Throw something at me when I'm in a heightened state and I'm way more likely to dodge it than if you lightly lob something at me when I'm barely paying attention.

 

[Chrispy]

Did you guys see the stat last night that we’re the first team since the Bruins in the 60s to have the same skater lineup in the first 11 games to start the season?

That’s kind of wild to me. Bill Burniston might be an actual gamechanger of an asset to the franchise.

That's a lot more than just Burniston. It's not having Rod/Tulsky do anything in terms of bringing skaters up and sending Blake back down. It's not having healthy scratches you might rotate in during a back to back.

And yes, it's health of the skaters (and Freddie doesn't qualify there.) But even a cold start by Blake or a hot start by someone in Chicago could have changed the lineup at some point.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

This kind of matches the eye test honestly, a lot of the goals we've let in seem to fit into the "hard to stop, but definitely still stoppable" category. There definitely seems to be a general correlation (not sure if there's data out there) between goalies who don't face many shots and seem "cold" and those that face a plethora of shots and seem "hot." It's why we often complain of getting "out-goalied"...goalies really get into a groove/rhythm when they're facing a lot of lower-danger shots vs coming in sitting around for 5 min and suddenly facing a medium-high danger shot. Throw something at me when I'm in a heightened state and I'm way more likely to dodge it than if you lightly lob something at me when I'm barely paying attention.

Yeah, last night, Kooch was tested early and looked great. Made some great stops before the 5-on-3. Then had a massive screen on that 5-on-3, leading to the goal against.

The 2nd one was probably stoppable with better positioning, but considering the team in front of him failed to clear the zone at least twice in the 15 seconds prior to the goal, I'd say it was an overall team failure.

The 3rd goal probably falls into that category as well. Bad enough to allow a pass into the slot like that, but then to puck watch and abandon the guy right next to PK, just oof. But PK also bit hard on the guy coming down the slot, so...

The 4th one is hard to judge. It's a horrendous turnover by Chatfield, and a shot that initially looked non-threatening, but if TK tipped it (and I think they eventually gave him credit for it), not a lot Kooch could do.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That's a lot more than just Burniston. It's not having Rod/Tulsky do anything in terms of bringing skaters up and sending Blake back down. It's not having healthy scratches you might rotate in during a back to back.

And yes, it's health of the skaters (and Freddie doesn't qualify there.) But even a cold start by Blake or a hot start by someone in Chicago could have changed the lineup at some point.

agree. And most coaches don't change the line-up when the team continues to win.