Seravalli: Flyers turn down 1st and 2nd for Laughton

[wingdestroyer]

FWIW I also heard it was a 2024 2nd….

 

[FlyguyOX]

Seravelli seems to be slinging a lot of reaches lately.

He's always had very good sources in philly

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Flyers want a top prospect for Scott Laughton

 

[Rich Nixon]

IF this is true, it goes down as inexperienced manager growing pains, and Briere is currently trying to figure out why they just threw him out of the “GM Group Text.” Another manager will explain it to him, and they’ll let him back in after the draft.

Man this is the second Flyers-related trade board thread where I've seen you talking confidently and coming off goofy.

As others have noted, that isn't bad value for Laughton. But the contract and player are the sort of things GMs really covet. Some term, C/W flexibility, good on the PK, develops quick chemistry with most linemates, can score 15 goals and 40 points in a pinch. For $3m, that's NHL GM crack.

If the OP is correct, this would be at least the second time the Flyers turned down a 1st+ for Laughton (previously reported that Fletcher did the deadline before last—not that Fletcher's a good GM). It's not as if one lunatic GM would be coming out of the woodwork with an insane offer here, that's probably just the going rate for the player.

The Flyers really like him as a hockey player and presence in their room. They're in no rush to move on from him. He was the only player on the team that wore a letter last season, and he's the poster boy for Tortorella's TEAM CULTURE PLAY THE RIGHT WAY bullshit.

Briere, in that situation, is waiting for someone to actually pay a ludicrous price—whatever that is. Hold out a little longer to see if they can get the Jeannot special. Might be a risky game, given that Laughton has a bit of a concussion history and plays a style that's conducive to getting concussions.

Also kinda LOL at babying Briere on it. We'll have to wait and see what his future moves look like, but the return he got on his first ever trade—the Provorov deal—was pretty damn impressive. From the little evidence we have so far, he seems quite competent.

 

[dgaspari]

Flyers want a top prospect for Scott Laughton

Zachary Bolduc, LW, 19​

 

[Beauterham]

Can't imagine the Blues actually offered that. Army is on the record for saying that he's looking for players that are in the same agegroup as the younger core (Kyrou, Thomas, etc). So he's looking for players MAX 27 years that have multiple years left on their deal so that when our next window of opportinuty opens we can keep that open for as long as possible.

A 29 year old Laughton doesn't fit the picture and doesn't make sense IMO. Really hope these are just rumors.

 

[YP44]

What are they expecting to get? I feel like that's a pretty good offer, but maybe I'm underestimating his value.

maybe a higher first instead of a low first this year and a 2nd down the road? Just spitballing

 

[bleedblue1223]

I'm going to need some actual clips of what was said. There's no shot Laughton returns something like that unless Krug is also going to Philly.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I'm going to need some actual clips of what was said. There's no shot Laughton returns something like that unless Krug is also going to Philly.

You can listen to the podcast he said it on, but essentially he said he was told the Blues offered a 1st for Laughton - then he added that a 2nd was also in the deal (so 1st & 2nd for Laughton). But that's all he said...there could've been "Philly had to take _____ as a contract dump" or something, but he didn't say that.

Also I agree that if Briere really turned down a 1 and a 2 for Laughton, and he doesn't do better than that, I riot.

 

[bleedblue1223]

And I could someone buy Army having interest in Laughton if he was cheap, but he's stated many times that his age range is basically 25-27 and under, with 3+ years of control. Laughton has the 3 years, but a little too old for our retool/rebuild.

 

[Boud]

It's called negotiations. People always panic when they hear things like this or hear about rumoured players ask in contract negotiations. Briere has all the leverage here. With what we've seen in the playoffs, Laughton will be in high demand and he has a very good contract. Anyone who has seen him play knows they would love to have him on their team (I'm not a Flyers fan). Also with the cap only going up by 1M and so many teams already cap strapped, these are the players that go for a lot (see the Jeannot, Goodrow, Hagel trades) because they add a ton of value when push comes to shove and can play up and down the lineup.

In the end he likely goes for a similar price to Pageau.

Ottawa received
2020 1rst (28th)
2020 2nd (59th)
2022 3rd

Under contract for 3 years at 3M per. If someone doesn't pay now there will be a team desperate for grit and truculence closer to the deadline. Time is on the Flyers side. I don't see why this is so shocking.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Hmmm....25th overall, an asset with a 25% chance of actually playing 50 nhl games is an overpayment for a 40 pt player with grit locked in for 3 years at only 3 mill per.

Yep, I am on HFboards, where every late first round pick has David Pastrnak potential and value

 

[Brophy]

I don't believe this for a second. Danny boy would scoop that up in a second.

 

[Boonk]

Probably the best offer Briere will get for him and he farts it into the wind. Lol.

 

[Huffer]

Briere is just holding out for the 31st pick and Dvorak.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Can't imagine the Blues actually offered that. Army is on the record for saying that he's looking for players that are in the same agegroup as the younger core (Kyrou, Thomas, etc). So he's looking for players MAX 27 years that have multiple years left on their deal so that when our next window of opportinuty opens we can keep that open for as long as possible.

A 29 year old Laughton doesn't fit the picture and doesn't make sense IMO. Really hope these are just rumors.

Seravalli framed it as Armstrong being really impressed with Laughton on the World Championships team this year, where he wore a letter. By all accounts, Laughton is just a solid person—teammates love him, he's the first to volunteer for every community initiative, all that. So it wouldn't surprise me if Armstrong wanted him both for his on-ice contributions and to be a positive locker room guy for that young core of theirs. Same reason the Flyers are fine hanging on to him and trying to milk the market.

Do I personally think he's worth this much? Not really. But it appears that The Old Hockey Men do, to the extent that this offer isn't surprising.

Hmmm....25th overall, an asset with a 25% chance of actually playing 50 nhl games is an overpayment for a 40 pt player with grit locked in for 3 years at only 3 mill per.

Yep, I am on HFboards, where every late first round pick has David Pastrnak potential and value

Exactly. Your odds at pick #25 aren't much better than your odds at pick #42. But one of them is AN ALMIGHTY FIRST while the other is just a second. Hell, two of the ALMIGHTY FIRSTS you can acquire now were just lowly seconds six years ago. These aren't magic beans, and they only carry as much value as the acquiring team's draft board dictates.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

If DA made that offer it would have also included a cap dump as well. As others have stated, Laughton doesnt fit our retool.

 

[AustonMarner]

Seravelli > Eklund

Absolute trash reporting

🗑🗞

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Laughton turns 30 next year, been in league a decade with some miles, and profiles as a bottom 6 player on a most teams.

Crazy to not accept that deal if it was truly on the table imo.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

This only proves some of the offers for a signed DeBrincat are a complete joke.

 

[Regal]

Shouldn’t the point of inflating the point totals of a 3rd line centre by playing them 18+ minutes a night to be to maximize their trade value before they fall off?

 

[BKarchitect]

Pageau is the best comp. Pageau was a tick younger when he was dealt and is a much better pure center (he’s a face-off master while Laughton is below average on the dot and I feel is flat out better when he’s played as a winger). Laughton has a bit better of a scoring record albeit in a higher scoring era than Pageau did at the time he was dealt. Pageau is and was the better pure defensive player.

Look, a late 1st and a 2nd seems reasonable to offer and we don’t know (if even true) how that offer was constructed. So it’s a very late 1st this year…what is the 2nd was not till 2025? What if it was contingent on the Flyers eating some salary to make Laughton even more attractive and the Flyers said, nah - somebody will pay us this at no retention.

He could still get traded for a late 1st and an additional 2nd package even if this rumor is true because we don’t the specifics. Or maybe they get a bit more. Who knows. It’s obvious Laughton is an attractive chip.

We’ve seen guys like Lehkonen and Barbashev become superheroes in the post-season. Laughton certainly fits the mold of a plug-and-play middle six guy with all kinds of versatility and “playoff style” jam. Now at 29 he’s much more of a WYSIWYG proposition than say Lehkonen was. But no reason to think you’re gonna see any major regression for the rest of the contract.

This only proves some of the offers for a signed DeBrincat are a complete joke.

It has nothing to do with Cat.

There are teams out there that would gladly pay more for Laughton, his contract and the style of hockey he can play than they would for the privilege of paying DeBrincat 8x8 moving forward.

There is ZERO comparison to make in these trade scenarios.

 

[The Nuge]

Seems odd that a team would offer that let alone that Philly would turn it down. Why not sell high on a 29 year old coming off a career year when the team is going to be bad for a few years?

 

[Boud]

This only proves some of the offers for a signed DeBrincat are a complete joke.

The market wildly varies from player to player and it also depends on the situation around the league.

The first thing is Debrincat is 1 year away from being a UFA and having complete control of where he goes. If DBC decides I'm not signing with anyone and I'm heading to FA, then that means Ottawa only gets rental value. He was nice enough to give a list of teams he's willing to sign with, that gives a bit more power to Ottawa but not a lot. Now out of the teams he's willing to sign with .... There's only 1 team that really makes sense and that's Detroit.

Second thing is not many teams have the cap space to make things work AND want to allocate a lot of money to a winger. DBC is a great player don't get me wrong but teams competing are pretty much all against the cap. So looking at the teams on DBCs list you have 3 cap strapped teams, one team who likely is not interested in him and another team who's probably interested and has the cap space, that's Detroit.

Trade negotiations are all about leverage. If a player like Laughton has a 3 year deal, that means the Flyers can decide to trade him or not trade him until they get what they want and Laughton also has no say in regards to where he's traded. For Ottawa the situation is very different, they have basically 0 control over Debrincat.

If I'm Yzerman trying to make a deal with Ottawa I'm not over playing my hand here because I know I have a clear advantage: Cap space and the player wants to sign with my team. So why give full value when majority of teams are either not interested at all, have no cap spacex or are only willing to offer rental value...

There will be 10 teams seriously enquiring about Laughton. The market is not even close.

 

[LGB]

Doesn't seem like the type of player we should be targeting, although I'm more pessimistic than some about our playoff odds the next couple years. It does make sense on the level that we need another center and could probably use another good veteran presence. I'd hope it would be the later first.