Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[tnfrs]

So what are the chances Gauthier was part of the “massive multi player trade” with St. Louis that fell apart because of Krug last summer?

Jordan Kyrou was in the rumors for a couple days, which would make a lot more sense now in the context of Gauthier being a component. They also had the 10th overall pick (Dalibor Dvorsky), which Briere would have been interested in.

thats probably where the scott laughton for a 1st and 2nd rumor came from, seravalli was the only one who ran it maybe he heard about philly shopping a center from the world championship and assumed it was laughton

 

[Rebels57]

I haven’t listened but did they say when it was his idea? Before or after the conclusion of his freshman season and before or after the conclusion of the Flyers’ season?

If it’s after either of those it doesn’t really refute the ELC thing.

The Zoom call took place after the conclusion of both his Freshman season and the World Championships. So presumably end of May or into early June of 2023. They thought the call was requested to tell the Flyers he was ready to turn Pro and they had a contract ready.

This contradicts reports that they were not willing to sign him prior to the 23-24 season due to their salary cap and his potential bonus overages. More shoddy reporting by Friedman. No surprise.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The Zoom call took place after the conclusion of both his Freshman season and the World Championships. So presumably end of May or into early June of 2023. They thought the call was requested to tell the Flyers he was ready to turn Pro and they had a contract ready.

This contradicts reports that they were not willing to sign him prior to the 23-24 season due to their salary cap and his potential bonus overages. More shoddy reporting by Friedman. No surprise.

That doesn't contradict that at all though if i'm reading it correctly.

Gauthier's freshman season ended on March 11th. The story that Friedman suggested is that he wanted to sign right then but he was told that they couldn't because of potential cap overages. He wanted to sign with the Flyers near the end of the 22-23 season in that narrative.

 

[Random Forest]

thats probably where the scott laughton for a 1st and 2nd rumor came from, seravalli was the only one who ran it maybe he heard about philly shopping a center from the world championship and assumed it was laughton

The rumors were that the deal was massive, with several players on both sides. If I squint, I could see Gauthier + Sanheim + Laughton + Hayes for Kyrou + 10th overall + Krug as vaguely fitting the description.

Gauthier = 10th overall
Sanheim + Laughton = Kyrou + Krug (Krug having negative value)
Hayes for nothing

 

[deadhead]

Laughton for a 1st and 2nd straight up never made a lick of sense, you might have gotten a late 1st for Laughton (though teams have become more stingy with 1st rd pick), but St Louis was cap strapped and needed a scoring center, which is why they took Hayes for basically nothing but the same cap hit Laughton would require.

Krug by the way is having a solid season,
21:44 minutes, CF 48.26%, CFrel +3.70, xGF 48.76%, xGFrel +5.59, 1.17 pp/60
The raw numbers are pulled down playing on a bad 5x5 team, but the "rel" numbers suggests that on the Flyers he'd have similar metrics to Sanheim.

So they weren't crazy wanting Krug to fill Sanheim's hole in the short run while they developed young D-men.

 

[Curufinwe]

No, it doesn't contradict it at all.

Gauthier was ready turn pro right when the dysfunctional Flyers fired their GM after a disastrous trade deadline. The inexperienced, interim GM evidently felt it would be better not to burn a year of Gauthier's ELC, but he obviously didn't understand that Gauthier's camp would react so negatively to being told he would have to wait till the 23-24 season.

Flyers fire embattled general manager Chuck Fletcher after four-plus seasons

The Flyers made the playoffs just once under Fletcher, with the GM making several notable missteps when it came to trades and free-agent signings.

www.inquirer.com

Schedule and Results - College Hockey | USCHO.com

www.uscho.com

 

[Redpath]

No, it doesn't contradict it at all.

Gauthier was ready turn pro right when the dysfunctional Flyers fired their GM after a disastrous trade deadline. The inexperienced, interim GM evidently felt it would be better not to burn a year of Gauthier's ELC, but he obviously didn't understand that Gauthier's camp would react so negatively to being told he would have to wait till the 23-24 season.

Briere's interview absolutely contradicts this though. But who knows which nuggets are sincere and which are posturing.

 

[Danko]

Here's the link for the Marek show.

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[Curufinwe]

Before Fletcher was fired, Sommerman tweeted that the Flyers wanted to sign Gauthier to his ELC when his college season ended.



They Fletcher was fired and Briere didn't sign him.

Gauthier announced he would return to BC on 3/24/2023, when the Flyers still had 11 games left.

Cutter Gauthier Announces Return to Boston College

On Friday evening, Boston College forward Cutter Gauthier announced on Instagram that he plans to return to the Heights for his sophomore season. View this post on Instagram ...

www.bcinterruption.com

 

[GKJ]

Elliotte Friedman on 32 Thoughts pod didn’t mention anything about bonus overages today, but cited that Briere did not want to bring Cutter into a fractured room with all the chaos going on at the end of the season.

 

[Curufinwe]

It makes sense why Briere didn't want to sign him then. It also makes sense that Gauthier's camp felt they had been more or less promised he would get burn his first ELC year, and so after that opportunity was taken away they no longer trusted Flyers management and decided he would never play for Philly.

 

[Danko]

Danny said two other teams made serious offers they considered.

 

[GKJ]

I’d be most curious to wonder if Fletcher had believed the same thing.

Friedman thinks Briere asked for Bowen Byram, which sounds like would’ve been 1-for-1 because the Avalanche wanted more.

Also wondered about LA but got pushback.

 

[Rebels57]

That doesn't contradict that at all though if i'm reading it correctly.

Gauthier's freshman season ended on March 11th. The story that Friedman suggested is that he wanted to sign right then but he was told that they couldn't because of potential cap overages. He wanted to sign with the Flyers near the end of the 22-23 season in that narrative.

Ohhh ok I get it now. He wanted to sign BEFORE the end of the 2022-2023 season so he could burn that year off the ELC, according to Friedman?

 

[Danko]

I’d be most curious to wonder if Fletcher had believed the same thing.

Friedman thinks Briere asked for Bowen Byram, which sounds like would’ve been 1-for-1 because the Avalanche wanted more.

Also wondered about LA but got pushback.

Wasn't there rumors they wanted Byram in the proposed Giroux trade?

 

[Rebels57]

It sounds like a definitive timeline is starting to take shape.

I will say this, if the Fletcher firing/Briere hiring/ELC contract scenario is all it took for him to bail on the Flyers, he never wanted to be here to begin with and was looking to find something to justify asking out.

Either way, i've never been super high on his game and Hockey is more fun with villains.

 

[VladDrag]

I’d be most curious to wonder if Fletcher had believed the same thing.

Friedman thinks Briere asked for Bowen Byram, which sounds like would’ve been 1-for-1 because the Avalanche wanted more.

Also wondered about LA but got pushback.

Can you expand on the LA part a bit more?

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I’d be most curious to wonder if Fletcher had believed the same thing.

Friedman thinks Briere asked for Bowen Byram, which sounds like would’ve been 1-for-1 because the Avalanche wanted more.

Also wondered about LA but got pushback.

I’d be more nervous about Byram than Drysdale, especially after Lindros and Patrick. The organization doesn’t seem to have luck with concussions

 

[GKJ]

Can you expand on the LA part a bit more?

No, that’s all that was said.

 

[tinycars]

Hockey is more fun with villains.

Really looking forward to the reaction he gets when he plays here!

It's gonna be fun

I’d be more nervous about Byram than Drysdale, especially after Lindros and Patrick. The organization doesn’t seem to have luck with concussions

And Pronger

 

[Random Forest]

Can you expand on the LA part a bit more?

No, that’s all that was said.

Have to imagine Briere asked about Brandt Clarke and got turned down.

Like I said originally, trading Gauthier right now only makes sense in a very, very limited number of trades. So few, that we can probably guess all the players Briere identified as suitable targets, and then further guess which of those teams might have been interested to continue the conversation.

It makes sense that Byram would have been a name that was discussed, but I’m glad we didn’t get further down that road. I’m a lot more optimistic on Drysdale than Byram.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

https://x.com/nhl_watcher/status/1745836716416532786?s=46

Sorry, can’t get he link to work properly, but it mentions the Flyers asked for Byram.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The Laughton stuff is beyond embarrassing at this point. Have some shame.

 

[Jettany]

The frequency of usage in my experiences has been limited but current players such as Makar and in the recent past Neidermeyer have had that tag. Others as well. There is an attachment to the origin of the sport which includes members of the Hall who have had that label applied as a position.

The original rover….Paul Coffey.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

https://x.com/nhl_watcher/status/1745836716416532786?s=46

Sorry, can’t get he link to work properly, but it mentions the Flyers asked for Byram.

Change the x (as in x.com) to Twitter and they work.