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Atkinson trade looks like a push at best right now. The Flyers sorely missed Voracek's transition play at 5v5 and his zone-entry and playmaking ability on the PP. Atkinson is cheaper but his contract is one year longer.
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Atkinson trade looks like a push at best right now. The Flyers sorely missed Voracek's transition play at 5v5 and his zone-entry and playmaking ability on the PP. Atkinson is cheaper but his contract is one year longer.
LegionOfDoom91
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At this rate they may forced into rebuild by then but the extra year was always a turn off for me with Atkinson in comparison to Voracek. Which I felt was easily hand waved by most at the time of the deal.
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Personally I loved the Voracek trade because it cruelly exposed just how stupid those complaints were about Jake's weak wrist shot being bad for the Powerplay.
What's really bad for the PP is not being able to even enter the zone, and then not being able to pass the puck around crisply when you do get set up.
What's really bad for the PP is not being able to even enter the zone, and then not being able to pass the puck around crisply when you do get set up.
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Based on what?
They lost Giroux and haven't yet replaced him.
They've added no one but that prick DeAngelo and Torts
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LegionOfDoom91
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I like these people that still think DeAngelo’s somehow been black balled or will be black balled because of his political views. Not realizing the majority of the league is white & likely conservative themselves.
Even far before his Twitter political escapades came to the forefront this guy was getting himself in trouble with the teams he played for. The guy has just been a pain in the ass to get along with amongst his peers even some that share somewhat similar backgrounds to him.
NHL teams don’t give a shit that there’s a segment of Twitter/internet fans that hate DeAngelo. That doesn’t factor into their evaluation of him as a hockey player. The people within the NHL that actually don’t like DeAngelo are more so on an island by themselves than he is.
DeAngelo’s been punished over the years by the NHL collective for being a bad teammate within the locker room completely unrelated to politics.
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Since he's Hayes approved, wouldn't the Flyers, again, have the best locker room in the NHL. /s
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The rights to Hayes for a 5th worked out.
Niskanen for Gudas was a win.
Braun for a 2nd and a 3rd worked out.
Pitlick for Hartman worked out.
Ellis for Myers and Patrick? Well, it was worth the swing.
Dumping Ghost's $4.5M 2 year deal was needed in the cap world. Cost of flat cap business.
I still think Risto for Hagg, 14th overall (Isak Rosen), and a 2nd rd pick receives the most overblown hate of all. If you pay attention to the league you know that big 20-minute Ds get traded for a 1st, esp if RH.
Example: David Savard. Example of a lefty: Chiarot. And those were deadline rentals.
Tippett, 1st, and 3rd for Giroux -- don't know how you can do better when a player gives you a 1 team list. Shocked they were able to get a 1st added to Tippett.
Atkinson for Voracek -- win because of the cap savings.
Recouping a 3rd for Braun -- nice.
Getting a 4th for Brassard, who was a low-cost offseason signing? Nice.
BringBackHakstol
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Whoa damn all these good moves, glad we have a contender
To be honest very little lost very little gained overall. He won a few, lots of draws, lots of nothing in nothing out. Pretty much follows the average GMs line.
Certainly not a good GM but far from the worst. The Braun deal to acquire him was fine, Niskanin as well, I don’t have an issue with the Risto deal as we need more physical players not less, I think De Angelo has promise, Ellis looked great when done. Hartman turned into a loss, probably worst one. Stolarz trade itself was fine. Stolarz still hasn’t shown he’s more than a part time backup. That we didn’t use Talbot was a head scratcher but that’s on the coach.
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If all these moves actually worked out then why is the team worse?
A GM doing a bunch of moves that "work out" is one who, at minimum, should have the team at the same level or a bit better. At minimum. That's without getting into the woeful prospect pool.
The opposite is true. Obviously, things haven't been working out.
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Risto wasn't a good deal, nor was the extension, should have cut loses, taken a 1st plus and moved on.
Voracek is not a good 5x5 forward anymore, his value is strictly the PP. I'll take Atkinson as long as he can stay healthy.
Fletcher took over an 82 point team, everything went right his first year, the goalies screwed up like 2018-19 his second year, last year between AV and a ridiculous amount of injuries the team imploded.
The team wasn't as good as 2019-20, wasn't as bad as 2021-22.
This happens - TB went from 103 to 80 to 40 in 48 before rebounding.
Colorado 112 to 82 to 48
The difference is a smart FO realizes that the good year was the fluke, and instead of doubling down, tries to address fundamental weaknesses - but the Flyer FO seems to think the up years are the "norm" and the down years "bad luck," so they are unwilling to accept that the team needs a fundamental rebuild - and this pattern has gone on for a decade.
Voracek is not a good 5x5 forward anymore, his value is strictly the PP. I'll take Atkinson as long as he can stay healthy.
Fletcher took over an 82 point team, everything went right his first year, the goalies screwed up like 2018-19 his second year, last year between AV and a ridiculous amount of injuries the team imploded.
The team wasn't as good as 2019-20, wasn't as bad as 2021-22.
This happens - TB went from 103 to 80 to 40 in 48 before rebounding.
Colorado 112 to 82 to 48
The difference is a smart FO realizes that the good year was the fluke, and instead of doubling down, tries to address fundamental weaknesses - but the Flyer FO seems to think the up years are the "norm" and the down years "bad luck," so they are unwilling to accept that the team needs a fundamental rebuild - and this pattern has gone on for a decade.
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How is risto going to get us a first plus when we had to pay to get rid of ghost? Risto is miles worse than ghost in every aspect.
deadhead
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Scott, Clarke and Holmgren are the FO.
Fletcher gets his mandate from them - if they said rebuild, he'd rebuild, if they say try and win next year to put fans in the seats . . .
Even Hextall had to get approval from Snider to initiate a half-assed rebuild, and when Holmgren ran out of patience . . .
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Scott is uninvolved. He is not Snider. He gives free reign to Fletcher, who he empowered to have that free reign and leave him out of it. He barely knows what's going on.
Clarke and Homer only have the influence Fletcher allows them to have. They no longer have direct power, so when they have input and a say in direction it is because Fletcher chooses for that to happen. Fletcher is the single most powerful non-owner management figure in team history.
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I don't see Clarke or Holmgren there
Curufinwe
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You guys are gonna feel silly when footage leaks of Homer and Clarke forcing Fletcher to extend Risto at gunpoint.
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Probably the team president who directly reports to him and who they assured him is competent.
Edit: Scott doesn't need someone advising him on minutiae or every move. He doesn't give a shit about that. That's Fletcher's territory. If he's talking to them, then the main harm they're doing is in insisting Fletcher is doing great and should remain in his roles.
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can someone tell me if I understand RFA? today was qualification day. the Hurricanes would have had to qualify DeAngelo. if he wasn't qualified, the Flyers could have signed him as a free agent with no compensation. it would have been better for Fletcher to wait till today to trade for TDA. basically, the GM traded from a position of weakness and gave up 3 assets for nothing!
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They would have qualified him…that doesn’t mean that the player accepts the contract offer.
