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Hanover Fist

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Beef Invictus said:
No, that's not all he can find. You harped on it repeatedly.
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Hollywood Cannon

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Larry44 said:
Unless they, inexplicably, are planning to re-sign JVR, they should have eaten half his remaining salary and taken whatever - even a 4th or 5th. Now they will pay his full salary, he won’t get a chance to showcase his skills in the playoffs in hope of getting another contract next year. It’s a disservice to a veteran NOT to deal him, even for futures.

The simple fact is that Chuckles has never been up to this job, should never have been hired, and should be fired immediately.
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Even if they were re-signing him, they should have dealt him.
 
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Flybynite said:
The biggest problem with the app comment isn't the app existing. Using analytics to show player performance and their capable roles and what not is all important.

The problem is he said it told him the value JVR had. That's the bullshit.

Value is market. The market always changes. What teams are in contention and not in contention. What players are on the sellers are on the block vs not on the block. *WHEN* you attempt to sell... All those things change the value. If the app is saying "I spit out that player X is worth blah blah pick(s)" and that's what he uses it's dumb.

Think about that old leaked Dallas Cowboy draft pick value chart. That chart isn't 'gospel' many realized each draft is different and greatly increases or decreases the value of picks in that draft.

These 'assets' are expiring contracts. At the end of the day that's what matters the most that you actually GET SOMETHING and he failed spectacularly at that. Putting your hat on a "Well. I wasn't gonna get ripped off cuz this app told me JVR is worth X" is just so ridiculous.
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Just wanted to clarify that the app is not my Problem my post was just a bit of irony and comical overreaction. All in all its laughable that chucky is using informations he would never share in normal circumstances. But now to save his ass he is lying about this things or giving things from the inner circle we should never know. Its bush league level!
 
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Flybynite

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Ironmanrulez said:
Just wanted to clarify that the app is not my Problem my post was just a bit of irony and comical overreaction. All in all its laughable that chucky is using informations he would never share in normal circumstances. But now to save his ass he is lying about this things or giving things from the inner circle we should never know. Its bush league level!
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Yea. There's also a real level of 'disbelief' that the Flyers are somehow operating at a 'analytics level' in Fletcher's decision making process just by observing their player moves as well.

I think myself (and probably anyone else) assuming it's some kind of analytics driven app may even be giving Fletcher way too much credit lol.
 
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renberg said:
Are we now into needing to submit resumes to post on this site? It’s a place for opinions. If you don’t like what was posted, just discuss things or ignore them. This situation here is starting to resemble a pissing contest. Not cool.
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Accountability is the way of the franchise. I think we need to go the same way. Did we not?
 
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The app thing doesn’t make any sense by the way. The market is an entirely circumstantial thing and it’s always changing. You’re dealing with people as assets, contracts, draft picks for rebuilding teams and contending teams that alone vary wildly in value year to year, competing offers, and options that change with each signing, and conditions that vary in likelihood and importance. Different team situations from teams like the Coyotes who live off taking bad contracts to teams like the Flyers who suck and won’t ever move past ancient standards and like the Bruins who know their shit and value winning now.

It’s why I’m laughing at the few posts defending it like it makes sense. Team made analytics not available to us makes sense. So does use of apps. An app that makes trade valuations in the real life NHL might as well be NHL 23.
 
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Garbage Goal said:
The app thing doesn’t make any sense by the way. The market is an entirely circumstantial thing and it’s always changing. You’re dealing with people as assets, contracts, draft picks for rebuilding teams and contending teams that alone vary wildly in value year to year, competing offers, and options that change with each signing, and conditions that vary in likelihood and importance. Different team situations from teams like the Coyotes who live off taking bad contracts to teams like the Flyers who suck and won’t ever move past ancient standards and like the Bruins who know their shit and value winning now.

It’s why I’m laughing at the few posts defending it like it makes sense. Team made analytics not available to us makes sense. So does use of apps. An app that makes trade valuations in the real life NHL might as well be NHL 23.
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Sure it does. It's just a way of organizing data.
"Here are the closest deals." "This is the range of returns."

Then you use as one data point and collect other data.

No different than spread sheet analysis used by VC and Investment Bankers, no one makes a deal off those cash flow analyses, because they know how dependent those analyses are on some basic assumptions. And in the end, judging those assumptions requires experience and well honed intuition.

But those analyses help guide the decision maker's intuition.
 
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GKJ said:
He is part of the boys club there, the Flyers have him in that role for a reason. It’s why he’s been around so long.
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It's also why the whole "Danny Briere just saying what he needs to say for his 'boss' take on Briere pushing for 'size' is a bad take"

Even if he was lying and just saying what his boss wanted to hear... Fletcher isn't the "boss" who needs to hear it. That's the organization philosophy. Fletcher could be fired and the replacement will have to endorse the organizational philosophy to be hired.

I can't think of any team that keeps so many failed and fired former 'decision makers' in an organization with influence on that organization. They were fired and failed for a reason and yet continue to linger.
 
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