Confirmed with Link: Flyers Great Ryan Johansen Placed On Waivers For Purpose Of Terminating Contract Due To "Material Breach" (NHLPA Files Grievance 9/26)

[Magua]

With how many stars the Flyers have directly passed over at the draft the last decade, you simply must trust they know what they’re doing this time. They couldn’t be wrong! Just listen to their insight on how they make draft decisions. Keep the faith, especially if you have never watched any of these prospects yourself.

 

[deadhead]

They weren't planning on taking the most fantastic player, they were planning on taking the fittiest player.

Drafting for perceived need and not BPA, which is especially a folly considering everything but RW is an urgent need.

But LHD is a need, up there with center.
And they don't have a proven PP1 QB either.

The positions where they're relatively strong are wings and RHDs.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Briere later spoke with Philly Hockey Now again on June 21, providing an updatethat “As far as I know, (Johansen is) doing stuff that isn’t too invasive to see if it can rectify his issues. I think he’s coming in here next week to meet with our doctors and trainers, so we’re hoping to get a little more clarification on the rest of the summer and leading into camp and the season next year.”

Huh. Doesn’t sound like a surprise.

Source: Full Timeline of Flyers’ Ryan Johansen Saga… So Far

 

[Beef Invictus]

But LHD is a need, up there with center.
And they don't have a proven PP1 QB either.

The positions where they're relatively strong are wings and RHDs.

They disagree.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Ha! I forgot about that thing. I wonder where it went?

It got supersized and delivered to HersheyPark.

 

[dragonoffrost]

I don't buy they skipped Buium b/c of his agent, nor b/c of his size (he's 6'0 and probably 200 lbs when he hits the NHL). I think they probably saw his ceiling in the NHL as a 2nd pair/PP1 QB, a good but not elite player - time will tell us if they (and the other teams that passed) were right.

In the same way, I think Gauthier didn't stiff the Flyers b/c of Torts or some other imaginary reasons, he and the team wanted him to play center, and he needed that second year of college if that was his goal (more lucrative position). My suspicion is he had the leverage to do a "Fox" and took advantage of it to get traded to the West Coast (he's from Arizona).

People love conspiracy theories, but often the truth is not that complicated.

States a suspicion then says others love conspiracy theories. We will never get the whole story unless Both sides sit down and spew the good which does neither the player or the Flyers any good.

 

[landsbergfan]

I made the mistake of checking that thread. The top response was a guy openly using ChatGPT to tell him the salary cap impacts.

We are all trying to cope with the loss of capfriendly

 

[GKJ]

I want to know why the Flyers willingly signed up to take a cap dump and now are mad that they have to deal with taking on a cap dump and in the process are openly shitting on yet another player.

We can ignore everything else that's still unconfirmed. We know this part is happening. What the hell kind of management is that?

They thought they could flip him and couldn’t.

Then the injury doesn’t let them buy him out

 

[Curufinwe]

We are all trying to cope with the loss of capfriendly

Yeah, i think they had list of roster assignments for every player so you could easily see when players were waived, put on IR, etc.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Here is where the situation gets sticky. Someone here is gaming the others. A player has the obligation to report an injury to their club. According to Colorado he never indicated to them that he was hurt prior to the trade. Therefore he was healthy and suitable for a trade. Then once traded to the Flyers and told that he was going to be sent to the minors, he claims to be hurt. The Flyers had the right visa a vis the CBA to make that move.
Things have gone off of the rails since then. Still someone is out of bounds here. Either the AVs traded an injured player to the Flyers which means that the Flyers are due compensation from them or Johansen is misrepresenting his situation. There is little evidence that the Flyers did anything outside of their rights in the CBA. Were they harsh with the player? Sure but at no point were they unwilling to give him his financial due.
We shall see in time who is out of line here but right now Johansen has a real problem. His agent who is already seen in a bad light by some organizations needs to be careful here. This mess has already had a negative impact on three clubs. If he loses this one, his clients may suffer as clubs will refuse to do business with him. His reputation already has cost Buium a higher position in the recent draft.

Spot on.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Spot on.

It sounds like this couldve all been avoided if they just gave him a shot with the Flyers.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It sounds like this couldve all been avoided if they just gave him a shot with the Flyers.

So you agree he breached his contract?

(And the Flyers were under no obligation to place him on their NHL roster if they didn't want to. He's a well-known locker room disruptor & lazy player.)

 

[Redpath]

It sounds like this couldve all been avoided if they just gave him a shot with the Flyers.

"Just let the future-less cap dump onto the team so there won't be a potential dispute over a breach of contract."

What are we talking about here? A cap dump was treated like a cap dump. If he needs special treatment to avoid a legal dispute, that seems like all the more reason to keep him away from the team.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

So you agree he breached his contract?

(And the Flyers were under no obligation to place him on their NHL roster if they didn't want to. He's a well-known locker room disruptor & lazy player.)

Based on past situations and as a whole, how can anyone give the Flyers the benefit of the doubt.

No matter the outcome, this is going to have a negative effect for the Flyers down the line. Players and agents will think long and hard to want to come here. This isn't an isolated incident.

Simple solution was pay him his money and move on next season. The bad outweighs the good.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Based on past situations and as a whole, how can anyone give the Flyers the benefit of the doubt.

No matter the outcome, this is going to have a negative effect for the Flyers down the line. Players and agents will think long and hard to want to come here. This isn't an isolated incident.

Simple solution was pay him his money and move on next season. The bad outweighs the good.

Tend to agree. Even if he’s wrong, whats the point of this?

For a bit of piddly cap space? Let’s not BS ourselves that they will be taking on another cap dump for picks.

For an apparently “rebuilding” team (which is a lie but whatever) - they are so desperate to move his cap hit?

Again, bullshit. Flyers are nothing but a self serving propaganda machine, the odds they are just doing this to send a message to Johansen if they feel they have been taken advantage of.

The optics risk toward other players after what went down with Hayes, Gauthier, and to a lesser extent Ghost/Kolosov…

For a team that is so dead set on finding talent in trades or FA, it’s a stupid move to go after him. For what?

 

[Adam Warlock]

So you agree he breached his contract?

(And the Flyers were under no obligation to place him on their NHL roster if they didn't want to. He's a well-known locker room disruptor & lazy player.)

If he lied about his injury then yes he did. And yes they had no obligation... but their reasons are petty. They have a hole at C there was zero harm in giving him a shot. They turned walker from a cap dump to a valuable asset...no reason they couldnt do the same.

"Just let the future-less cap dump onto the team so there won't be a potential dispute over a breach of contract."

What are we talking about here? A cap dump was treated like a cap dump. If he needs special treatment to avoid a legal dispute, that seems like all the more reason to keep him away from the team.

Its not about avoiding a legal dispute...its about avoiding another public feud with a player. The org is not doing themselves any favors in attracting future players.

 

[StreetHawk]

Here is where the situation gets sticky. Someone here is gaming the others. A player has the obligation to report an injury to their club. According to Colorado he never indicated to them that he was hurt prior to the trade. Therefore he was healthy and suitable for a trade. Then once traded to the Flyers and told that he was going to be sent to the minors, he claims to be hurt. The Flyers had the right visa a vis the CBA to make that move.
Things have gone off of the rails since then. Still someone is out of bounds here. Either the AVs traded an injured player to the Flyers which means that the Flyers are due compensation from them or Johansen is misrepresenting his situation. There is little evidence that the Flyers did anything outside of their rights in the CBA. Were they harsh with the player? Sure but at no point were they unwilling to give him his financial due.
We shall see in time who is out of line here but right now Johansen has a real problem. His agent who is already seen in a bad light by some organizations needs to be careful here. This mess has already had a negative impact on three clubs. If he loses this one, his clients may suffer as clubs will refuse to do business with him. His reputation already has cost Buium a higher position in the recent draft.

Philly would need to have done their due diligence once RyJo said he was hurt. Whether it was exams, scan, specialists, whatever from the medical side to document their position to whether they ever put him on IR, as he never landed on LTIR. Plus, their end of season exit physicals (as each player needs to do one in order to determine if they are eligible to be bought out or not). They needed this to either ensure he was a buyout candidate or give them the option to send him down to the A and make him ride the buses to collect his salary.

From a Player POV, if something is bothering you and the team says you are fine, best to get a second opinion. I recall Nate Burleson, former WR with a decade in the league, mentioned on a segment he did for SportsNet in Canada that after his career was over he did a complete physical with a private doctor and was shocked when the doctor asked him when he tore or broke something. Nate said he was told it was a sprain or something minor but the doctor told him, based on the x-ray or scan, that it was more serious than that. But, there would need to be some type of communication between player and team in a timely manner. Especially, if it's to the extent that he would have to be placed on LTIR.

See how this unfolds.

 

[Redpath]

Its not about avoiding a legal dispute...its about avoiding another public feud with a player. The org is not doing themselves any favors in attracting future players.

The point still stands. If a cap dump is going to initiate a feud for being treated like a cap dump, that is further reason to not have that player on the team.

 

[Adam Warlock]

The point still stands. If a cap dump is going to initiate a feud for being treated like a cap dump, that is further reason to not have that player on the team.

In a vaacum maybe...but theyre having so many of these public battles its just not a good look. I just dont see the harm in letting him play.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Being injured and having the team agree you are injured is not a breach of contract.

 

[BernieParent]

Kind of a weird question because Johansen's injury status really has nothing to do with them because he never played for the Flyers or the Phantoms. He played 63 games in a row for Colorado, then said he was too injured to report after the trade, and also too injured to be bought out this summer. Now he's been recorded busting moves on the dancefloor. So I'd worry more about his camp will do under scrutiny.

Johansen at his wedding:

 

[GKJ]

Johansen at his wedding:

 

[trostol]

so there are people questioning he was injured...when Danny came out and said he was injured...i don't get it

 

[GKJ]

Being injured and having the team agree you are injured is not a breach of contract.

They don’t agree on the severity of the injury though.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

"Just let the future-less cap dump onto the team so there won't be a potential dispute over a breach of contract."

What are we talking about here? A cap dump was treated like a cap dump. If he needs special treatment to avoid a legal dispute, that seems like all the more reason to keep him away from the team.

Bingo