Post-Game Talk: Flyers defeat Rangers 6-3

[fm]

We won traverse one year I think

 

[egelband]

We won traverse one year I think

 

[dapowl]

Any chance some of the more NHL ready guys don't want to overkill or get hurt in a prospects game. They have to show to camp next week and cant be to exhausted.
Jones in particular looked like he just wanted to have some fun and set some guys up for nice goals.
Overall was a very choppy game combined with bad ice and bad goaltending.
Barron line stood out and the 2 towers of humans in rempe and the Philly guy.

 

[Ola]

Any chance some of the more NHL ready guys don't want to overkill or get hurt in a prospects game. They have to show to camp next week and cant be to exhausted.
Jones in particular looked like he just wanted to have some fun and set some guys up for nice goals.
Overall was a very choppy game combined with bad ice and bad goaltending.
Barron line stood out and the 2 towers of humans in rempe and the Philly guy.

It’s the same for everyone.

But like we give up 4 PPGs on taking 4 penalties. I hate to hang out the goalie, but did Philly have 20 shots on goal? We carried the play almost the entire game.

The result really do not matter one bit. Everyone looked fine. Lundkvist was the only one I would say that had any issues at all, and he was out for repairs a while and the ice was horrible. And like when a D carries the puck up ice and lose control and have to turn back to get the puck to settle down, it happens. And when it have happened, it can happen again. It’s just the nature of the game. The only thing that would have me concerned, is if he didn’t rebound well from it. It’s that ability that you build up over the years.

 

[Unusual Suspect]

Yeah, it is hyperbole on purpose. Fair enough. But you did make my point exactly. Why the hell can I watch the San Jose Sharks Teal vs White game in broadcast quality, but the Rangers can't even provide a proper viewing angle for a prospects game with another organization?

On top of that, our beat doesn't even go to the camp beside Vince? Crazy. AK provides more prospect info for the fans than the organization itself. Haha.

I just don't buy the, "No one even cares", argument anymore. Other teams in smaller markets are not only providing streams of all this stuff, some even sell f***ing tickets.

FWIW, at gametime YouTube reported nearly 2000 viewers waiting to watch. Nothing earthshaking but you'd think enough to be worth one guy with a decent video camera and a tripod up on the second level. Maybe even Giannone and Valiquette via Zoom.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Yeah, it is hyperbole on purpose. Fair enough. But you did make my point exactly. Why the hell can I watch the San Jose Sharks Teal vs White game in broadcast quality, but the Rangers can't even provide a proper viewing angle for a prospects game with another organization?

On top of that, our beat doesn't even go to the camp beside Vince? Crazy. AK provides more prospect info for the fans than the organization itself. Haha.

I just don't buy the, "No one even cares", argument anymore. Other teams in smaller markets are not only providing streams of all this stuff, some even sell f***ing tickets.

The "no one even cares" argument has merit because "no one" means "Dolan" and/or "upper management". I've always felt if the NYR could make a profit televising these events, we'd have no problem seeing them. I vaguely remember reading something years ago where they said it's not "cost effective".

 

[Inferno]

FWIW, at gametime YouTube reported nearly 2000 viewers waiting to watch. Nothing earthshaking but you'd think enough to be worth one guy with a decent video camera and a tripod up on the second level. Maybe even Giannone and Valiquette via Zoom.

2000 people ain't a lot...galadon probably gets that for his daily clash of clans vids

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Predictable meaningless prospect tourney game hot takes are predictable.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

We won traverse one year I think

Rangers used to be pretty good at Traverse City from 05-11. They won the one year with Dubinsky as captain, and they made it to the finals in 2011 which was the one year the entire MSG crew went and Giannone and Maloney did the games and had Gorton/Clark/etc. on. I think JD even made an appearance when they played STL.

The mid 2010s dip makes sense because they traded away a lot of picks for those runs, but there is no excuse to be this crappy and disorganized. Knoblauch is a good coach too so it's probably a preparation/drill thing.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Any chance some of the more NHL ready guys don't want to overkill or get hurt in a prospects game. They have to show to camp next week and cant be to exhausted.
Jones in particular looked like he just wanted to have some fun and set some guys up for nice goals.
Overall was a very choppy game combined with bad ice and bad goaltending.
Barron line stood out and the 2 towers of humans in rempe and the Philly guy.

Buch definitely phoned it in his first year. Hagelin in 2011 didn't do much and after 2.5 months of AHL hockey, him and Mitchell were called up and changed the entire dynamic of that team.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

OnHockey.tv+various other streaming platforms. Swiss league isn’t hard to watch

Also I work in hockey. This year was tough to keep up with the draft but I had a personal top 45, Othmann was no where near it. I did watch him in the Swiss league. Not 30+ times, but enough to gauge the player. Read my comments earlier on him. Tries to be something he’s not, predictable shot that will go right past low tier goalies but won’t work in the NHL, bad skater, and too complimentary. He insists on playing like a powerforward but it just doesn’t work for him, he gets outmuscled easily and doesn’t have a frame to grow into to play like he wants. I’m big into fitness as well and just don’t see his frame/strength being there unlike someone like Kakko who I said years ago will have a massive frame, unfortunately, some players have limitations. You can bookmark this, I really believe Othmann will bust/disappoint. He doesn’t have a translatable NHL toolkit and I have a hard time seeing a role for him to fill at the NHL level. His defensive game isn’t good enough for bottom 6 as he cherry picks often but I will say when he wants to be good defensively he is, the stick work and aggression is there, but his aggression feels fabricated and unnatural. I’m not saying I’m 100% correct on this and this will how his career will go, but after watching him this is just what I see. And his two awful penalties today is exactly what I expected out of him, he doesn’t know how to be a powerforward, he lacks that instinct, and that leads to dumb plays/penalties. He will be a dominant CHL player and that’s when we should sell high on him in a package deal ideally. As I said before, he’s the type of player bad teams get tricked into drafting

The problem with Othmann as a player is, it's a lot like that old joke in Office Space "so what exactly is it that you do around here?"

What is he good at and what does he stand out in? Not a good skater. His shot? Didn't look that great. He had some decent plays as the game went on. I'm not saying he will totally bust and look, sometimes players as they get older evolve and their game changes. Look at Brett Connolly as a Junior vs. the NHL grinder who helped Washington win a Cup.

He's very very young but he needs to start excelling in one or two areas.

Rangers needed centers badly in this draft. We all thought Svechnikov or Rati. This was a case of the "we're the smartest people in the room" or reputation the Rangers unfortunately have.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

What time is today's game? 3 PM again live from the Flyers Practice place in Southern NJ?

I did watch yesterday and just to sum it up:

Happy they came back and made it competitive but the first period I was definitely thinking "damn they need more time to get the Quinn out of their DNA".

Barron looked very good. Rempe was noticeable. Pajuniemi had some good moments and if he keeps progressing, might be a slightly more dynamic Michael Ryder-type.

On defense I thought Schneider/Robertson were solid. Skinner wasn't bad either. He's one of those "put him in any situation and he'll be competent but not spectacular." I think Skinner could have an NHL career like Corey Potter or Nate Guenin, he just needs to get lucky and be in an organization with not much D depth or due to injuries stick as a third pair. Highly doubt it's with the Rangers.

Jones looked like he was toning it down.

Lundkvist had a bad bad game. It's ok, just needs to use this as a tune up for camp and games.

Othmann was not good but in fairness he made some good plays as the game progressed.

Vierling is very rusty and may need some time to get in rhythm for his season due to missed time.

 

[Irishguy42]

What time is today's game? 3 PM again live from the Flyers Practice place in Southern NJ?

5pm Eastern

The game will be here, per NYR Twitter account:

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

5pm Eastern

The game will be here, per NYR Twitter account:

Thanks for helping me plan my gym time

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hot takes, confirmation bias and what ever the f roo just posted are why I looked forward to opening this thread today.

 

[NYR Viper]

Pajuniemi always gives me Vrbata vibes

 

[Lays]

The problem with Othmann as a player is, it's a lot like that old joke in Office Space "so what exactly is it that you do around here?"

What is he good at and what does he stand out in? Not a good skater. His shot? Didn't look that great. He had some decent plays as the game went on. I'm not saying he will totally bust and look, sometimes players as they get older evolve and their game changes. Look at Brett Connolly as a Junior vs. the NHL grinder who helped Washington win a Cup.

He's very very young but he needs to start excelling in one or two areas.

Rangers needed centers badly in this draft. We all thought Svechnikov or Rati. This was a case of the "we're the smartest people in the room" or reputation the Rangers unfortunately have.

I think Brett Connolly is a good idea of what we may get out of Othmann. Not as good if a skater but I really can’t see him being much more than that. Not to say players don’t exceed expectations like crazy sometimes like Will Karlsson or Yanni Gourde off the top of my head who both had subpar NHL skill sets and weren’t supposed to be as good as they are, but being realistic I just can’t see anything I like about Othmann’s game that gets me excited for him. After the draft I went and re-evaluated him, and tried to like him but I just couldn’t. Not to say I want him to fail, I do want to be proven wrong, but I just don’t see much there

But Othmann wasn’t a “smartest in the room” type pick. He’s the type of pick that smart GM’s chuckle at taking him at 16 because he’s carried the reputation of being Shane Wright’s side kick. Bad teams get tricked into drafting these players because they’ve heard about him for a while. And in a year where it was tough to scout, we took the “proven commodity” as everyone knew Othmann already as he was a major name for 2021 years back when he got drafted 2nd overall in the OHL.

 

[Baby Duck Homme]

I thought we played the flyers prospects twice this weekend? Was that the only prospect game for us this year.

Edit: disregard. I see we play later today. No GDT yet. I hope it isn’t some epileptic with a flip phone as the camera person again.

 

[eco's bones]

It’s not the usual for 17/18 years old who’ve just been drafted to dominate scrimmages against opposition teams. Othmann has stuff to work on. He’s kind of scrawny as well. He’s at least two/three years away. For all the goalie haters I would have taken Wallstedt but Othmann wasn’t a terrible pick if you weren’t going to take a goalie.

 

[Ola]

Pajuniemi always gives me Vrbata vibes

Yeah, like he is a good talented hockey player and I think that he is underrated for sure. At the same time, hard to disagree with those saying that we have a log jam infront of him. Can still become an NHLer though, probably elsewhere…

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I think Brett Connolly is a good idea of what we may get out of Othmann. Not as good if a skater but I really can’t see him being much more than that. Not to say players don’t exceed expectations like crazy sometimes like Will Karlsson or Yanni Gourde off the top of my head who both had subpar NHL skill sets and weren’t supposed to be as good as they are, but being realistic I just can’t see anything I like about Othmann’s game that gets me excited for him. After the draft I went and re-evaluated him, and tried to like him but I just couldn’t. Not to say I want him to fail, I do want to be proven wrong, but I just don’t see much there

But Othmann wasn’t a “smartest in the room” type pick. He’s the type of pick that smart GM’s chuckle at taking him at 16 because he’s carried the reputation of being Shane Wright’s side kick. Bad teams get tricked into drafting these players because they’ve heard about him for a while. And in a year where it was tough to scout, we took the “proven commodity” as everyone knew Othmann already as he was a major name for 2021 years back when he got drafted 2nd overall in the OHL.

I don't why they didn't take either Svechnikov/Rati. That was the obvious and easy pick. Rangers have needed center help since I've been born.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Yeah, like he is a good talented hockey player and I think that he is underrated for sure. At the same time, hard to disagree with those saying that we have a log jam infront of him. Can still become an NHLer though, probably elsewhere…

Paju will start the year in Hartford unless he goes crazy in preseason. Best thing for him is just to work on his overall game and an opportunity will come.

 

[Lays]

I don't why they didn't take either Svechnikov/Rati. That was the obvious and easy pick. Rangers have needed center help since I've been born.

I didn’t like Svechkov or Raty either to be fair. I don’t think we should’ve forced a center there and I’m glad NYR took their BPA, just not glad as to who it was

 

[jay from jersey]

Jones has been the best d-man.

Skinner looks very big and pretty capable so far. Moving the puck, simple plays.

Skinner has a future as a 3rd pair NHL D. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. He’ll be very good at the role and very cheap.
Unfortunately, it probably won’t be with us

PS anyone that thinks nils will take Fox s PP minutes away is kidding themselves. At least not for a couple seasons. And I don’t expect Nils to be here that long. Jones was better overall this game.
Cuylle, Barron, Othmann, Hendriksson were all good. Imo Morgan Barron is ready for the show, especially if Goodrow is on his wing to help him with face offs.
Cuylle looks like a Barron clone. In a years time Or so maybe a little longer,
Cuylle-Barron-Goodrow can be a solid 3rd line
Cuylle, Othmann, Skinner, Panjunemi all need a year in the A minimum.
Robertson looked good. Needs some AHL time. Looking same way for Schneider

 

[LOFIN]

Paju will start the year in Hartford unless he goes crazy in preseason. Best thing for him is just to work on his overall game and an opportunity will come.

Hopefully he'll get a taste of the NHL at some point during the season.