GDT: Florida Tourism Board | Hurricanes @ Panthers | 7:30 PM

[Wolfpuck]

All Hail Lord Anton!

 

[tomdundo]

[Fantasy team problems]


-Dropped Khudobin for Ward when I saw that Ward was starting the game against the Islanders.

-Ward gets hung out to dry and pulled after 3 goals on 9 shots.

-Drop Ward when I see Bernier sitting there and healthy, since the Ward/Khudobin split has been pretty even lately.

-Khudobin with a shutout tonight.

[/Fantasy team problems]

 

[Atas2000]

[Fantasy team problems]


-Dropped Khudobin for Ward when I saw that Ward was starting the game against the Islanders.

-Ward gets hung out to dry and pulled after 3 goals on 9 shots.

-Drop Ward when I see Bernier sitting there and healthy, since the Ward/Khudobin split has been pretty even lately.

-Khudobin with a shutout tonight.

[/Fantasy team problems]

Anton will probably win me that matchup in my league. You have to be more patient, really.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Wow your arena looks pretty empty

Well played

 

[rocky7]

Going for shutout. 3rd pairing w/ Skinner-Lindholm-Nash.

Good thing Khudobin already re-signed.

yeah wtf was that? and no Tlusty for an empty net hat trick. then I thought that maybe they got stuck out there for an icing..? idk.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

yeah wtf was that? and no Tlusty for an empty net hat trick. then I thought that maybe they got stuck out there for an icing..? idk.

I seriously doubt Muller cares about the shutout, and if he does, he cares more about helping that line learn how to defend in those situations. IMO.

 

[raynman]

yeah wtf was that? and no Tlusty for an empty net hat trick. then I thought that maybe they got stuck out there for an icing..? idk.

They were stuck out there because Bellemore iced the puck I believe. When the camera followed the puck Ellis was still in net. So FLA pulled Ellis when they realized who was on the ice.

 

[Finnish Jerk Train]

*gasp*

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=82284779&postcount=14

I KNEW IT!!!

Oh. Em. Gee.

Outed!

 

[tarheelhockey]

They were stuck out there because Bellemore iced the puck I believe. When the camera followed the puck Ellis was still in net. So FLA pulled Ellis when they realized who was on the ice.

FLA probably pulled Ellis because we made the bush-league move of calling a timeout with 20 seconds left in a 3-0 game.

 

[Joe McGrath]

FLA probably pulled Ellis because we made the bush-league move of calling a timeout with 20 seconds left in a 3-0 game.

Which implies that Muller did care about preserving the shutout.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Which implies that Muller did care about preserving the shutout.

Oh I think he did. Khudobin's reaction to the broken shutout in Columbus said a lot. He wanted to make sure that didn't happen again.

Still, you're up 3-0. There are 20 seconds left. You're playing a meaningless game against a team that has one of the weakest offenses in modern history. Call a timeout, really?

 

[cptjeff]

Oh I think he did. Khudobin's reaction to the broken shutout in Columbus said a lot. He wanted to make sure that didn't happen again.

Still, you're up 3-0. There are 20 seconds left. You're playing a meaningless game against a team that has one of the weakest offenses in modern history. Call a timeout, really?

With your bottom D pair on the ice and gassed.

Yes, you call the timeout. It costs you absolutely nothing and keeps your goalie happy.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Oh I think he did. Khudobin's reaction to the broken shutout in Columbus said a lot. He wanted to make sure that didn't happen again.

Still, you're up 3-0. There are 20 seconds left. You're playing a meaningless game against a team that has one of the weakest offenses in modern history. Call a timeout, really?

My original comment was that having your bottom pair and those 3 forwards out starting a shift with about 1:10 on the clock was stupid, if he actually gave a **** about the shutout. Calling the timeout implies that it was important that he did so. Based on some of the questionable line choices in similar situations we've seen that cost them at least 1 point back when it actually mattered (Buffalo and Winnipeg) I wonder if whoever is changing the lines has any clue how much time is left on the clock.

 

[tarheelhockey]

With your bottom D pair on the ice and gassed.

Yes, you call the timeout. It costs you absolutely nothing and keeps your goalie happy.

Florida noticed it. They weren't planning on pulling Ellis until the timeout. And they'll remember it.

 

[What the Faulk]

Florida noticed it. They weren't planning on pulling Ellis until the timeout. And they'll remember it.

Hm, last time Florida harbored a grudge there were some questionable diving calls in the next game. I'm trying to think how this will come full circle. Maybe Florida plays the whole game without a goalie and ends up winning 2-0?

 

[tomdundo]

Hm, last time Florida harbored a grudge there were some questionable diving calls in the next game. I'm trying to think how this will come full circle. Maybe Florida plays the whole game without a goalie and ends up winning 2-0?

Canes/Cats Wars Episode V : M. T. Knett Strikes Back

 

[Joe McGrath]

Florida noticed it. They weren't planning on pulling Ellis until the timeout. And they'll remember it.

With the amount of players they have that have checked out, and the number of young guys who probably didn't even notice, I'm guessing they don't remember anything.

I think it's more likely they remember getting swept by a terrible hockey team in a fairly embarrassing fashion.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Honestly, who cares if they'll even remember it?

 

[DaveG]

With the amount of players they have that have checked out, and the number of young guys who probably didn't even notice, I'm guessing they don't remember anything.

I think it's more likely they remember getting swept by a terrible hockey team in a fairly embarrassing fashion.

Says a lot about how bad Florida's been this year when I honestly can't remember anything about the other games against them. This one only stands out because 1 - it's recent, and 2 - it's Qdoba's first shutout with us.

 

[wolfofthesteppes]

Insert 'Panthers' for 'Germans'

 

[tarheelhockey]

With the amount of players they have that have checked out, and the number of young guys who probably didn't even notice, I'm guessing they don't remember anything.

I think it's more likely they remember getting swept by a terrible hockey team in a fairly embarrassing fashion.

It's the kind of thing that sticks with people who don't like to lose, and especially don't like to have their nose rubbed in a loss. I remember back in high school I played for a football coach who was something like the 20th winningest coach of all time, nationally. He would bring up stuff like that before the next game, remind everyone how that team was out there trying to put up stats against us last time. Trying to get their picture in the paper for blowing us out. If you think about it from that angle, and have any kind of pride, it's enough to make you want to go out and shove those stats right back up their *****.

I'm not saying it's a huge deal, but it struck me as the kind of thing a team does when they don't know how to just tighten up their chinstraps and be professional about closing a win. The fact that superstar Riley Nash decided to take a 180-foot shot at the empty net even AFTER that timeout doesn't speak well of the maturity level on this team.

 

[What the Faulk]

Meh, I don't see the issue in going for the empty net. Players are always going to try to score, and an empty net is just inviting that. Florida pulled their goalie, they know that that's one of the consequences of doing that. Besides, they won't face either other until next year when the rosters will likely be pretty different. I'm not saying there won't be a grudge, but I don't see it as immature to try to score there.

 

[DaveG]

It's the kind of thing that sticks with people who don't like to lose, and especially don't like to have their nose rubbed in a loss. I remember back in high school I played for a football coach who was something like the 20th winningest coach of all time, nationally. He would bring up stuff like that before the next game, remind everyone how that team was out there trying to put up stats against us last time. Trying to get their picture in the paper for blowing us out. If you think about it from that angle, and have any kind of pride, it's enough to make you want to go out and shove those stats right back up their *****.

I'm not saying it's a huge deal, but it struck me as the kind of thing a team does when they don't know how to just tighten up their chinstraps and be professional about closing a win. The fact that superstar Riley Nash decided to take a 180-foot shot at the empty net even AFTER that timeout doesn't speak well of the maturity level on this team.

I'd agree with that for sure. Just a floater down the ice would have been more then enough to kill off the rest of the clock and close out the win. You can still go for the net, but you can be smarter about it in a way that would prettymuch leave no opportunity for Florida to even potentially make bank if it goes wrong.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Nash going for the empty net at the end, maybe I can see that, but getting the goalie a shutout by any means necessary? Every team knows that's the deal. You'd expect a guy to take a penalty to save a goal up 3-0 with 10 seconds left wouldn't you?

If anything I would be pissed about how many times the Panthers poked at Khudobin after the whistle, not that the Canes players seemed to care any...,

 

[tarheelhockey]

It just all kind of speaks to where this team is right now.

Defending a shutout with a minute left. Do we care about preserving that shutout or not?

Muller puts the worst possible set of players on the ice = no
Bellemore ices the puck with 20 seconds left = no
Muller calls a timeout = yes
Nash takes a hard 180' shot at the empty net = no
Nash allows a clean faceoff win with 1.x seconds left = no

If saving the shutout is a big deal, put out decent defenders and forbid them to pull nonsense like multiple icings and long shots on the other net. If it's not a big deal, let these guys suck a bit of wind and learn something about how to close a game.

I know, it's just kvetching about a garbage-time coaching decision in a meaningless win. But the way that last minute played out just says so much about the lack of cohesion between the coaches, forwards, defense and goaltender.