Post-Game Talk: Flightless birds destroy the lowly Canadiens

[HabbyGuy]

David Savard would have made no difference. He has lost two steps and isn’t the guy he was last year. My lord, only in Hab land would a 5/6 get anointed into some pillar of defense. What they would have lost 8-2.

We are talking David Savard not Serge Savard, ffs.

How does one reason with these type of ridiculous takes? Noone's calling David, Serge. The fact that you wash out any context of this situation that our D finds itself in just further shows your silly bias.

The team is the youngest D in the league, we had one veteran on the ice last night patroling the blue line. Every Dman last night sans two I think, had to play on their wrong side, due to lack of depth at RHD position.

You may scoff at the idea of calling Savard a "pillar" of defense (which I totally get), but unfortunately for us, with his leadership, experience, and natural RD position, he is by default just that on this green young D. Sad isn't it?

Which just goes to further show you what the coaching staff is having to deal with.

 

[Habby4Life]

All I’m saying is the Habs PK has been a strong point and Savard been a big contributor to the PK success - he was also the only one of the regular PK unit not playing vs Pens who went 2-for-3 on the PP - both of which were key goals for Pens

I get your point on the PK. I’m not sure he would have made much of a difference. The fragility and lack of compete is a problem.

I’m tired of hearing how incredibly valuable or indispensable this guy is. The push by some in the media and on here is ridiculous.

 

[Habby4Life]

How does one reason with these type of ridiculous takes? Noone's calling David, Serge. The fact that you wash out any context of this situation that our D finds itself in just further shows your silly bias.

The team is the youngest D in the league, we had one veteran on the ice last night patroling the blue line. Every Dman last night sans two I think, had to play on their wrong side, due to lack of depth at RHD position.

You may scoff at the idea of calling Savard a "pillar" of defense (which I totally get), but unfortunately for us, with his leadership, experience, and natural RD position, he is just by default that on this green young D as it's currently constructed.

Which just goes to further show you what the coaching staff is having to deal with.

Hate to break it to you but Wifi and Guhle aren’t rookies any more. They are young but not rookies.

I’ll correct it for you, we had a garbage D squad on the ice last night. And inserting Savard doesn’t more that needle very much. Let’s not pretend this team didn’t get stomped by the Pens, Rangers, Kraken, Caps, Knights, Bruins with the mighty Savard in the lineup. His leadership, experience, and being a RD did squat on those nights.

They got stomped because they have a shit D core, they are brutal in their own end (fwds & D) and they are not getting superhuman goaltending.

He won’t fetch much for this guy at the TDL because he isn’t worth anything. Guys like Engels can hype this guy but he isn’t that good, Father Time has caught up to him.. The fact is they got shelled because this team is garbage with or without Savard in the lineup with the exception of a few players. That’s the reality.

Btw - a good coach can teach an under skilled squad how to play D, but MSL isn’t good coach.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Hate to break it to you but Wifi and Guhle aren’t rookies any more. They are young but not rookies.

I’ll correct it for you, we had a garbage D squad on the ice last night. And inserting Savard doesn’t more that needle very much. Let’s not pretend this team didn’t get stomped by the Pens, Rangers, Kraken, Caps, Knights, Bruins with the mighty Savard in the lineup. His leadership, experience, and being a RD did squat on those nights.

They got stomped because they have a shit D core,

This is exactly what I said, and they're shit because they're green, with no depth, and the fact that Savard was actually missed last night, just further shows how shit and young that they are. That was my point.

 

[Habby4Life]

This is exactly what I said, and they're shit because they're green, with no depth, and the fact that Savard was actually missed last night further shows how shit they are. That was my point.

We agree for the most part.

IMO, the guy doesn’t move the needle one bit. The experience, leadership stuff means squat, they get stomped with him in or out of the lineup. They are a poorly constructed team that severely lacks talent at key positions.

 

[HabbyGuy]

We agree for the most part.

IMO, the guy doesn’t move the needle one bit. The experience, leadership stuff means squat, they get stomped with him in or out of the lineup. They are a poorly constructed team that severely lacks talent at key positions.

OK so how is this a Marty problem?

I mean it's a problem for Marty, but it sure as hell ain't his fault.

Rebuilding teams are poorly constructed because they're under construction. And injuries and what not can throw wrenches into best laid out plans. I'm sure they'd love to be giving Reinbacher some looks right now if healthy. I'm sure they'd love a fully healthy Dach again, atleast the one he was before he got hurt. etc...

And I'm sure they'd love Savard back because he helps to stabilize the young D. No matter how bad it may be.

 

[Habby4Life]

OK so how is this a Marty problem?

Well, for one this team is not ready to play most nights, they play like a chicken with their heads cutoff in their own end, they quit last night and mailed it in (not the first time this year), and they lack compete on most nights. All of those are on the coach. Many of these things were said of Dom and he got canned despite being more successful than MSL.

In addition, he doesn’t hold anyone accountable other than wifi and Pezz. Why is Dach getting top 6 time, 1st wave PP time, etc when he looks disinterested most nights and has played like dog dung. He screwed up the first line moving Dach up there and now Slaf looks lost. Name one guy who has been held accountable for there poor play, other than those two. No one sits for poor play, no one except Pezz and wifi!

When the team is getting scorched, Marty looks like he is more interested in his dinner reservations, lol. How many nights has he waited for 3/4/5 goals to go in before he calls a timeout?

If this team had a veteran coach they would still suck but they would at very least compete most nights. I’ll say it again, a good coach can teach an underskilled squad how to play defense. I’ve heard it so many times by guys like knuckles, momesso, Max, etc. We have seen it with other teams.

MSL inexperience shows, the whole lack of experience with the staff is a major problem. Just because the team is rebuilding doesn’t absolve MSL from how this team is not ready and how little it competes.

Frankly, Hugo deserves criticism for not addressing some of these issues. Why he went into this year with this D core without adding veteran help is on him.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Well, for one this team is not ready to play most nights, they play like a chicken with their heads cutoff in their own end, they quit last night and mailed it in (not the first time this year), and they lack compete on most nights. All of those are on the coach. Many of these things were said of Dom and he got canned despite being more successful than MSL.

In addition, he doesn’t hold anyone accountable other than wifi and Pezz. Why is Dach getting top 6 time, 1st wave PP time, etc when he looks disinterested most nights and has played like dog dung. He screwed up the first line moving Dach up there and now Slaf looks lost. Name one guy who has been held accountable for there poor play, other than those two.

When the team is getting scorched, Marty looks like he is more interested in his dinner reservations, lol. How many nights has he waited for 3/4/5 goals to go in before he calls a timeout?

If this team had a veteran coach they would still suck but they would at very least compete most nights.

MSL inexperience shows, the whole lack of experience with the staff is a major problem. Just because the team is rebuilding doesn’t absolve MSL from how this team is ready and competes.

Give me a break with this lack of compete narrative, it has to stop, it's just not true. The effort has absolutely been there for the last 5 weeks. To say otherwise is just silly. I'm not sure what you're watching. Last night they may have stopped as they were overwhelmed in the 3rd, I'll give you that. But other than that the effort is there, was even there for the 40 minutes leading into last nights disaster of a 3rd.

 

[Habby4Life]

First of all, this lack of compete narrative has to stop, it's just not true. The effort has absolutely been there for the last 5 weeks. To say otherwise is just silly. I'm not sure what you're watching. Last night they may have submitted as they were overwhelmed in the 3rd, I'll give you that. But other than that the effort is there.

Don’t sugar coat it, some guys quit last night.

We have a very different idea of compete. This team is soft as warm butter and has the mental toughness of hot marshmallows. At least half the games including last 5 weeks the compete level has been poor. Last 5 weeks, Dach, Slaf, Newhook, Armia, Dvo just too name a few have been totally MIA, and there are more not mentioned. The difference between this year and last is like night and day. Last years team worked its tail off most nights, this years team we can’t say the same thing.

Once again, just like last year, and in this last stretch of games they have won a few solely because NS and CC are carrying this team on their backs, that’s all. For a small stretch they looked a little better playing weaker teams but that’s it, same team, same problems.

And tomorrow they will get smoked by the Jets.

 

[HabbyGuy]

I give up.

 

[Habby4Life]

I give up.

Yeah, many habs did last night too!!

 

[HabbyGuy]

Yeah, many habs did last night too!!

 

[Habby4Life]

Lol, loved Jerry Stiller, great actor/comedian.

Regarding the habs, I respect you opinion, I just don’t see the situation the same as you.

 

[themilosh]

I love how the top 10 is all 80ies goalies but Primeau and Martin. And Martin is not on Carolina's lineup anymore he's back in the AHL.

Tbf Martin only played 9 games. I believe the min was 10. Lol

 

[ReHabs]

So our shiney new backup will improve the team through osmosis from the bench and Montembault won't get blown out again

Improving at the margins is a simple concept that you don’t seem to understand even though I’ve attempted to explain it in a variety of ways. Have you really never heard of the term “low hanging fruit”?

The fact that Warm Hands Hughes cannot fix even the backup goalie situation portends not-so-good things to come this year and in following years.

It was the same with Bergevin. Always having an excuse in the chamber to insist other fans have lying eyes.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Improving at the margins is a simple concept that you don’t seem to understand even though I’ve attempted to explain it in a variety of ways. Have you really never heard of the term “low hanging fruit”?

The fact that Warm Hands Hughes cannot fix even the backup goalie situation portends not-so-good things to come this year and in following years.

It was the same with Bergevin. Always having an excuse in the chamber to insist other fans have lying eyes.

You havent explained anything, you whined about a backup and said we need to move Primeau and hand waved about how it's going to somehow have some magical effect on the team. The season is lost, give it a rest. Rushing out right now to move our backup in a market with limited options is a dumb move. It seems pretty damn obvious they are waiting for better options in the offseason to find a solution to our backup position.

 

[ReHabs]

You havent explained anything, you whined about a backup and said we need to move Primeau and hand waved about how it's going to somehow have some magical effect on the team.

Accountability and standards are something even “rebuilding teams” have to have. Giving the team a signal that there are minimum performance expectations is a good thing and will help with their professional development.

Primeau is an example of a “low hanging fruit”, something that would not be difficult to change.

I hope my perspective is clear enough for your understanding now — you can disagree but don’t call it a whine, because it ain’t.

The season is lost, give it a rest. Rushing out right now to move our backup in a market with limited options is a dumb move. It seems pretty damn obvious they are waiting for better options in the offseason to find a solution to our backup position.

The season shouldn’t be lost, but it is. Hughes sat on his hands while his coach did nothing and the results and performances and effort levels (predictably) didn’t change.

Now we have a team that will happily lose and collect their paycheque for the better part of a professional season. It’s literally a Losing Culture. They come to work knowing they will lose and no matter their effort, they will be paid and cozy and not even demoted or scratched. There are zero downsides to bad efforts = bad efforts are reinforced as part of the daily routine. Losing culture.

It’s funny you think a GM has to wait until the summer to make a minor roster move. You must’ve been Bergevin’s bravest soldier — moves are hard! Wait and be patient! We mustn’t mortgage the future!

 

[BLONG7]

Yeah, many habs did last night too!!

Something you guys seem to have missed, Monty was awful....the overall team play was ok and Monty had one of his worst games........................what does that do to the team? We saw them waive the white flag!

Our team D core is young, but they need the guy back there to make a save, or their give a shit level falls off, and it did.
That said, the vet Matheson was beyond awful, and Savard who might have helped the PK did not play so...............................

Anyhow, throw it in the garbage and ge ready for the Jets guys!!

 

[Habs Icing]

Look forward to it, you may be right, I guess we'll see. Just sayin' the season is far from over.

No, it isn't. We still have 53 more games to watch how headless chickens defend in their own zone.

 

[Habs Icing]

The biggest reason we haven’t been as good as expected is Dach shitting the bed. Maybe we should’ve known better there. We obviously expected too much from him after that layoff and I don’t thing anyone was expecting him to be this bad. That has really messed up the whole club.

I think we expected the team to take a step forward this year but even there few expected the playoffs. Dach going down seriously screwed thongs up.

I can make an off-colour joke about Dach going down and thongs but I enjoy the privilege of letting off steam in this forum so I'll leave the joke for another time.

Right, Dach shitting the bed is why we're woefully inept in defending in our own zone. Dach is why we have the worst shooting average in the league. Dach is why we allow the second most GA/GP.

Look at how hapless they are in their own zone when defending. That tells me they either haven't understood MSL and the coaches or MSL's instructions are not NHL level.

 

[Habs Icing]

Who wants him to back up Monty? Can't be worse than Primeau.

His return to the NHL?! I didn't know or forgot that he had a meaningful stint in the NHL.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I can make an off-colour joke about Dach going down and thongs but I enjoy the privilege of letting off steam in this forum so I'll leave the joke for another time.

Right, Dach shitting the bed is why we're woefully inapt in defending in our own zone. Dach is why we have the worst shooting average in the league. Dach is why we allow the second most GA/GP.

Look at how hapless they are in their own zone when defending. That tells me they either haven't understood MSL and the coaches or MSL's instructions are not NHL level.

please do t waste my time with strawman stuff.

Us not having any real RDs is a problem I’ve pointed out numerous times. This team is a work in progress and we all know it. That’s why coming into this season most of us had the team around 85 points. Nowhere did I say that Dach is responsible for all our ills.

That being said, we expected to have at least a decent 2nd line. Nobody expected Dach to shit the bed as he has and it’s really screwed things up front. It’s a huge problem and one that needs to be addressed going forward.

 

[Habs Icing]

Nowhere did I say that Dach is responsible for all our ills.

I guess Gremlins took over your computer.

The biggest reason we haven’t been as good as expected is Dach shitting the bed.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I guess Gremlins took over your computer.

I guess reading comprehension isn’t your forte.

I said Dach is a huge reason why we’re where we are, not the only reason. Our D is a completely different issue and we were well aware of it coming into this season. It was the main reason I said we wouldn’t make the playoffs going into this year.

Dach’s poor performance on the other hand was not expected. That’s thrown us for a loop and it’s affected the forwards - especially guys like Newhook and Slaf - in a really bad way.

 

[Habby4Life]

His return to the NHL?! I didn't know or forgot that he had a meaningful stint in the NHL.

There is zero chance he could be worse. Pri is garbage and they should cut ties with him.

Crazy they kept that plug and shipped out Jake Allen. Another no so great move. So far their judgement of NHL players has been off Dach, Newhook, Kova, Allen, Pri

Like some of there moves but I question who is advising them on current NHL talent.